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Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, you better edit out the lie that "hundreds of thousands of families go bankrupt in America over healthcare"

How have you lived so long with absolutly no understand of the world around you? It's as if you live in a fantasy world.

I guess that's just another one of my "America hating" lies, huh Ron?

I know you can't read more than one sentance at a time, but try real hard this time. Doing that will help you look stupid less often in the future.

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Medical bills make up half of bankruptcies
Study finds most bankruptcy filers had health
insurance

The Associated Press
Updated: 7:43 a.m. ET Feb. 2, 2005

BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of all
personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go
bankrupt because of medical problems have health
insurance, according to findings from a Harvard
University study to be released Wednesday.

Researchers from Harvard?s law and medical schools
said the findings underscore the inadequacy of many
private insurance plans that offer worst-case
catastrophic coverage, but little financial security
for less severe illnesses.

?Unless you?re Bill Gates, you?re just one serious
illness away from bankruptcy,? said Dr. David
Himmelstein, the study?s lead author and an associate
professor of medicine. ?Most of the medically bankrupt
were average Americans who happened to get sick.?

The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas. That
year, there were 1.46 million personal bankruptcies in
the United States.

More than 900 of those questioned underwent more
detailed interviews about their financial and medical
circumstances for what the authors say is the first
in-depth study of medical causes of personal
bankruptcies, which have risen rapidly in recent
years.

Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
least in part, for 46.2 percent of the personal
bankruptcies in the study. Himmelstein said the figure
rose to 54.5 percent when three other factors were
counted as medical-related triggers for bankruptcies:
births, deaths and pathological gambling addiction.

The study estimates medical-caused bankruptcies affect
about 2 million Americans each year, counting debtors
and their dependents, including 700,000 children.

Most were insured
Most of those seeking court protection from creditors
had health insurance, with more than three-quarters
reporting they had coverage at the start of the
illness that triggered bankruptcy. The study said 38
percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by the
time they filed for bankruptcy, with illness
frequently leading to the loss of both a job and
insurance.

Out-of-pocket medical expenses covering co-payments,
deductibles and uncovered health services averaged
$13,460 for bankruptcy filers who had private
insurance at the onset of illness, compared with
$10,893 for those without coverage. Those who
initially had private coverage but lost it during
their illness faced the highest cost, an average of
$18,005.

?We need to rethink health reform,? said Dr. Steffie
Woolhandler, a study co-author and associate professor
of medicine at Cambridge-based Harvard. ?Covering the
uninsured isn?t enough. We also must upgrade and
guarantee continuous coverage for those who have
insurance.?

Susan Pisano, a spokeswoman for America?s Health
Insurance Plans, representing nearly 1,300 health
insurance providers, said the study did not adequately
explore the role that disability income protection
plans and personal savings can play in helping someone
with a medical problem avoid bankruptcy.

?It?s very important to ask questions about what the
financial stressors are for American families, but we
don?t think this study digs deeply enough,? Pisano
said.

Middle-class hit hard
The findings indicate medical-related bankruptcies hit
middle-class families hard ? 56 percent of the filers
owned a home, and the same number had attended
college.

?Families with coverage faced unaffordable
co-payments, deductibles and bills for uncovered items
like physical therapy, psychiatric care and
prescription drugs,? Himmelstein said.

The study, funded by the Robert Wood Johnson
Foundation, did not examine how many bankruptcy filers
were from dual-income families where both partners had
insurance, Himmelstein said.

Jeff Morris, resident scholar at the American
Bankruptcy Institute, founded by Congress in 1982 to
analyze bankruptcy trends, said the Harvard findings
roughly mirror those of a 1996 ABI study in which 57
percent of bankruptcy filers cited medical problems as
a primary bankruptcy cause. Respondents in that study
were more likely to cite three other factors as
primary causes, including easy access to credit, job
loss and financial mismanagement.

Morris said he was aware of no data indicating that
the Harvard study, which was based on 2001 bankruptcy
filings, does not accurately reflect current trends in
medical-related bankruptcies.

?Medical coverage is becoming more for catastrophic
loss than for intermediate expenses,? Morris said.

I guess I was lying because I didn't say MANY hundreds of thousands?

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I've seen him on CNN many times.

Explain to us again how I'm wrong, oh wize one.

The only person who looks stupid in this thread is you. You can tell by the fact that the only person argeeing with you, is Pathfinder.

dear moron, I've seen jerry springer on CNN many times as well, doesn't make him an employee or comentator *of* CNNs.

He's a freelance commentator that anyone was free to use or not at their discretion.

but you keep pretending he's a CNN commentator.

and as an aside, this article is NOT abour Mr. Williams, nor is the argument.
I told you to read the article. did you?

theking · 03-14-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I've seen him on CNN many times.

Explain to us again how I'm wrong, oh wize one.

The only person who looks stupid in this thread is you. You can tell by the fact that the only person argeeing with you, is Pathfinder.

Oh you with the wee little brain...Richy boy. Try this on for size...I have seen alot of different people on CNN many times as guests...and guess what...this does not qualify them as being CNN commentators. You lied when you said "CNN commentators"...just that simple...but the voices in your head...you know...the ones that tell you that you have three degrees and own three of the largest casinos on the net...tell you never to admit that you are a liar.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:22 PM

hmm, so, now you've been caught lying about my lying twice in a row. Let's see how many smilie faces and insults about Canadians it takes to make you feel you've made up for your stupidity on this one. I'm guess 7 laughing faces and 4 Canadian insults, this thread is pretty ugly for old 12dicks.

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

How have you lived so long with absolutly no understand of the world around you? It's as if you live in a fantasy world.

I guess that's just another one of my "America hating" lies, huh Ron?

I know you can't read more than one sentance at a time, but try real hard this time. Doing that will help you look stupid less often in the future.

I guess I was lying because I didn't say MANY hundreds of thousands?

hahahaha, no wonder you believe you've got it good in canada.

here are the key parts to that study, child:

"""Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
least in part,"""

"""The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas."""

I'm yes, it was my illness that caused my bankruptcy, not my idiotic spending.

you own swamp land don't you richie?

xxxdesign-net · 03-14-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

and this somehow makes you credible when talkinga bout the US?

how funny.
son, I don't think you understand how funny I find it that every day threads are started and perpetuated by jealous, loser, canadians about how bad the US is.

compared to what????

credible when talkinga bout the US? On what planet are you? LOL If an English teacher tells you 2+2=4... you cant comeback saying what you are saying is worthless because you arent credible... I dont need any "credibility" to say what I said... But nice try.. you might have fooled some of you followers.. lol

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

hmm, so, now you've been caught lying about my lying twice in a row. Let's see how many smilie faces and insults about Canadians it takes to make you feel you've made up for your stupidity on this one. I'm guess 7 laughing faces and 4 Canadian insults, this thread is pretty ugly for old 12dicks.

dude, your wife isn't here. no one but her thinks you're right.

when you're not lying, you're an idiot.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear moron, I've seen jerry springer on CNN many times as well, doesn't make him an employee or comentator *of* CNNs.

He's a freelance commentator that anyone was free to use or not at their discretion.

but you keep pretending he's a CNN commentator.

and as an aside, this article is NOT abour Mr. Williams, nor is the argument.
I told you to read the article. did you?

ahahaha, trying to win an argument with semantics is easier if you understand what semantics are.

CNN paid this guy to go on the air and talk about issues. He's not a guest like Jerry Springer, he's a journalist. That makes him a commentator, although I guess the fact that he doesn't work for CNN full time makes a difference in your mind. The point is, is doesn't fucking matter what venue these people are doing it on, they're being paid to promote the government's agenda. CNN, talk radio, newspapers, it doesn't matter. He went on CNN, paid by the government, and talked up Bush's policies. I'm right, you're wrong, get over it. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

But hey, at least Pathfinder agrees with you. We all know how not crazy he is.

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

I dont need any "credibility" to say what I said...

lucky for you.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahahaha, no wonder you believe you've got it good in canada.

here are the key parts to that study, child:

"""Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
least in part,"""

"""The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas."""

I'm yes, it was my illness that caused my bankruptcy, not my idiotic spending.

you own swamp land don't you richie?

What? That makes absolutely no sense, sorry. Now you're just posting jiberish and hoping people will stop reading this thread because you look so stupid. I'm yes???

Over half of American bankruptcies are caused by medial bills. That's what I said. You called me a liar. I linked to an AP news story regarding a study that proves that fact, not the only one but a very good one.

Tell me again how I'm wrong?

Show me something that says there aren't hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies per year in the US caused by medial bills.

I guess the way to figure out if you're right or wrong in a situation is, just throw all the facts out the window, and if you want to be right, agree with 12clicks.

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

ahahaha, trying to win an argument with semantics is easier if you understand what semantics are.

CNN paid this guy to go on the air and talk about issues. He's not a guest like Jerry Springer, he's a journalist. That makes him a commentator, although I guess the fact that he doesn't work for CNN full time makes a difference in your mind. The point is, is doesn't fucking matter what venue these people are doing it on, they're being paid to promote the government's agenda. CNN, talk radio, newspapers, it doesn't matter. He went on CNN, paid by the government, and talked up Bush's policies. I'm right, you're wrong, get over it. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

But hey, at least Pathfinder agrees with you. We all know how not crazy he is.

hahahah, if it gets you thru the day believe it.
you started with "fake" stories, moved onto "CNN commentators" and threw in some other shit about the government somehow tricking people. sadly, none of it is true.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahahah, if it gets you thru the day believe it.
you started with "fake" stories, moved onto "CNN commentators" and threw in some other shit about the government somehow tricking people. sadly, none of it is true.

You have a sad, warped vision of reality. Yes, the government put out news stories designed to look like they were made by the network, but no, they're not fake. Yes, the government paid a guy hundreds of thousands to go on CNN and talk up a government program, but he's not a commentator (so somehow it's ok??).

Like I said, I have no idea how you've made it so far in life with such low mental capacity. I though natural selection was supposed to weed out people like you in childhood.

theking · 03-14-2005, 02:35 PM

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Costly illnesses trigger about half of all
personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go
bankrupt because of medical problems have health
insurance, according to findings from a Harvard
University study to be released Wednesday.

Hmm...people that have a "costly illness" are not usually able to produce income...thus the illness triggers bankruptcy...even though they have "health insurance". Damn I am shocked...Richy boy...but then again...before you edited your post...you were lying about the actual facts. Of course those voices in your head...you know the same ones that tell you that you have three degrees and own three of the largest casinos on the net...when in fact you merely own a mediocre AVS...will never allow you to admit to lying...now will they...Richy boy?

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

What? That makes absolutely no sense, sorry. Now you're just posting jiberish and hoping people will stop reading this thread because you look so stupid. I'm yes???

Over half of American bankruptcies are caused by medial bills. That's what I said. You called me a liar. I linked to an AP news story regarding a study that proves that fact, not the only one but a very good one.

Tell me again how I'm wrong?

The study, to be published online Wednesday by the
journal Health Affairs, distributed questionnaires to
1,771 bankruptcy filers in 2001 in California,
Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas. That
year, there were 1.46 million personal bankruptcies in
the United States.

Illness and medical bills were cited as the cause, at
least in part, for 46.2 percent of the personal
bankruptcies in the study. Himmelstein said the figure
rose to 54.5 percent when three other factors were
counted as medical-related triggers for bankruptcies:
births, deaths and pathological gambling addiction.

I see less than 50% of 1771 bankruptcies caused by medical issues until you add in "pathological gambling addiction."

no wonder you're so gullible with other stuff, you're unable to see how a poll is twisted for a desired effect (think john kerry, pre election)

Show me something that says there aren't hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies per year in the US caused by medial bills.

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Originally Posted by Rich

I guess the way to figure out if you're right or wrong in a situation is, just throw all the facts out the window, and if you want to be right, agree with 12clicks.

No, its to look at all the bankruptcy records (not just 1771 of them) and find out the answers.

you see under 2000 and accept an extrapolation into the millions?
typical.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:41 PM

Yes I do, that's how studies work 12clicks, it's called the law of averages. That's why the AP also "accepts" it, as does everyone else on the face of the earth with common sense and some form of diploma.

Again, that's the type of thing normal people learn in the 10th grade.

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

They are fake. They pretend to be news stories, but they're not

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Originally Posted by Rich

Yes, the government put out news stories designed to look like they were made by the network, but no, they're not fake.

you can only backpeddle so far, halfwit before you end up calling yourself a liar.

I'm pretty sure I'm done here. keep arguing with yourself halfwit, I love it!

theking · 03-14-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

What? That makes absolutely no sense, sorry. Now you're just posting jiberish and hoping people will stop reading this thread because you look so stupid. I'm yes???

Over half of American bankruptcies are caused by medial bills. That's what I said. You called me a liar. I linked to an AP news story regarding a study that proves that fact, not the only one but a very good one.

Tell me again how I'm wrong?

Show me something that says there aren't hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies per year in the US caused by medial bills.

I guess the way to figure out if you're right or wrong in a situation is, just throw all the facts out the window, and if you want to be right, agree with 12clicks.

You are wrong.

Costly illnesses trigger about half of all
personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go
bankrupt because of medical problems have health
insurance, according to findings from a Harvard
University study to be released Wednesday.

It is not the medical bills that trigger a bankruptcy...it is the illness. Sick people do not usually produce income. Payments can be made on any medical bill...but without income...medical bills or any other type of bill cannot be paid. Some insurances do provide a temporary income...and one can aquire other types of temporay income...un-employment insurance...State disability insurance...SS disability insurance...etc. But these temporary incomes are not usually enough to meet all financial obligations...thus there comes a point of bankruptcy. No need to thank me for educating you...Richy boy.

xxxdesign-net · 03-14-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

lucky for you.

*12clicks OWNED me in his own mind*

Just like he OWNED Einstein..

ADL Colin · 03-14-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Just like he OWNED Einstein..

That is an all-time classic thread.

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:46 PM

wait, wait. I can dumb it down more for this moron.

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Originally Posted by Rich

They are fake.

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Originally Posted by Rich

they're not fake.

xxxdesign-net · 03-14-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

That is an all-time classic thread.

Indeed.. I think 12clicks was drunk that night...(i hope) I wont be posting the thread.. Out of Respect..

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:50 PM

Backpedal? Where did I backpedal? I've said the same thing all along, backed it up, and explained it to you over and over again.

That, "but no, they're not fake" line was sarcastic, mimicking you. It's pretty sad that you have to chop up a paragraph to try to make a point, but I suspect that's your way of attempting to leave a thread with some bit of dignity. Don't worry Ron, I'll let you go. I've taught you enough lessons for today.

BTW here's the entire post, in which anyone with a brain can see where I'm insulting you. Of course news stories made by the government are fake, only you could somehow say they aren't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

You have a sad, warped vision of reality. Yes, the government put out news stories designed to look like they were made by the network, but no, they're not fake. Yes, the government paid a guy hundreds of thousands to go on CNN and talk up a government program, but he's not a commentator (so somehow it's ok??).

To sum up Ron's points in this thread; the government making news stories and then pawning them off as created by the networks is not fake. Armstrong Williams did not work for CNN. Hundreds of thousands of people DO NOT go bankrupt every year in the USA due to medical bills. And lastly, the law of averages does not exist.

You should seriously consider becoming a college professor or something.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

That is an all-time classic thread.

I missed that one, hook me up with a link if you have it please.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Indeed.. I think 12clicks was drunk that night...(i hope) I wont be posting the thread.. Out of Respect..

Pretty please?

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 02:53 PM

to sum up rich's points in this thread

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Originally Posted by Rich

They are fake

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Originally Posted by Rich

They're not fake

theking · 03-14-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Backpedal? Where did I backpedal? I've said the same thing all along, backed it up, and explained it to you over and over again.

Thru out the thread...Richy boy.

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BTW here's the entire post, in which anyone with a brain can see where I'm insulting you. Of course news stories made by the government are fake, only you could somehow say they aren't.

"news stories"/reports prepared by the government are not necessarily "fake"/untrue and "news stories"/reports prepared by the government are in fact news.

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To sum up Ron's points in this thread; the government making news stories and then pawning them off as created by the networks is not fake.

They are not pawned off to the networks as being created by the networks...the networks are made aware by the government who they were prepared by.

It is apparent that some media outlets do allow the public to believe that the "news story"/report was prepared by them and not the government. But I have seen some media state up front that the "news story"/report was prepared by the government

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Armstrong Williams did not work for CNN.

No Armstrong Williams is not an employee of CNN. Armstrong Williams is a talk radio jock and was apparently paid to push a government program on his radio show. This is not to say that he did not appear on other shows and push the program.

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Hundreds of thousands of people DO NOT go bankrupt every year in the USA due to medical bills. And lastly, the law of averages does not exist.

Illness triggers thousands of bankruptcies and of course medical bills become a part of that bankruptcy.

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You should seriously consider becoming a college professor or something.

No need to thank me for educating you...Richy boy.

theking · 03-14-2005, 03:18 PM

BTW...Richy boy...feel free to go off into your dark bedroom and let the voices in your head...fill you with more bullshit...and come back a post some more lies.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 03:22 PM

So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT.

Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.

theking · 03-14-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT.

Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.

He made you to be the fool that you are...but then again that is not a big accomplishment...as it is easy to do. Heading for the darkened bedroom soon...Richy boy?

theking · 03-14-2005, 03:26 PM

BTW...I am leaving too...as me and the dogs are going to the beach...thanks for entertaining me today...Richy boy.

rambler · 03-14-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

to sum up rich's points in this thread

Do you ever win any arguements, 12clicks??

Fuck, you looked real bad in this one.

...and having theking

trying to save your ass

(fucking classic)

...then trying to take Rich's words out of context

... only an IDIOT wouldn't be able see that (and only an ABSOLUTE IDIOT would try that on an uneditable message board

)

directfiesta · 03-14-2005, 03:58 PM

Smut · 03-14-2005, 04:09 PM

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:03 PM

U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."

I don't think it is too much of a stretch to envision a time when the gov't takes the practices they are doing in the article and slowly builds them up to a point that they are the dominant producers of the very news and information Americans are getting. This means real restriction of free thought if your news is gov't propoganda to make you follow their policies benignly. How clearer can this most dangerous of threats to democracy be.

12clicks · 03-14-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT.

Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.

ahahahaha, I love these west coast losers "winning the argument" because I go home.

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:04 PM

Thomas Jefferson, 1786

Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.

ElvisManson · 03-14-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hershie

U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."

I don't think it is too much of a stretch to envision a time when the gov't takes the practices they are doing in the article and slowly builds them up to a point that they are the dominant producers of the very news and information Americans are getting. This means real restriction of free thought if your news is gov't propoganda to make you follow their policies benignly. How clearer can this most dangerous of threats to democracy be.

try google'ng operation mockingbird.

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

try google'ng operation mockingbird.

I am truly sickened. This is grounds for a revolution.

If you cannot even rely on the information you are getting to form your political beliefs and opinions, than the whole legitimacy of your democracy is at risk. How can people just take this kind of manipulation of your thoughts and opinions. Ugh.

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:15 PM

We're all the gov'ts meat puppets and some in this thread sing their praises.

theking · 03-14-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hershie

Thomas Jefferson, 1786

Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.

It is apparent from the article that "freedom of the press" is alive and well...as the press has the freedom to present government prepared material or not to present government prepared material. Some media apparently present goverment prepared material as having spawned it themselves...some media do present government prepared material as just that...prepared by the government (it still qualifies as news)...and I would assume that some media would find it beneath themselves to present government prepared material.

Dazza · 03-14-2005, 05:31 PM

Calling Hershie "kid" is funny enough by itself not to care what is in the rest of this thread.

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

It is apparent from the article that "freedom of the press" is alive and well...as the press has the freedom to present government prepared material or not to present government prepared material. Some media apparently present goverment prepared material as having spawned it themselves...some media do present government prepared material as just that...prepared by the government (it still qualifies as news)...and I would assume that some media would find it beneath themselves to present government prepared material.

You know better than this. C'mon. This was not a gov't issued press release that got picked up by a news organization. They fabricated propaganda to seem like an independant news story done by a reporter so it would get aired by sloppy or friendly news stations. They were trying to fool you to make you believe it was real news. How much clearer can this be for what it is.

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazza

Calling Hershie "kid" is funny enough by itself not to care what is in the rest of this thread.

Apparently it is standard issue for him to act dismissive of people in this way.

theking · 03-14-2005, 05:33 PM

BTW...I do not think that government prepared material is any less credible than material gathered by individual media. I take every report with a grain of salt as they are equally incredible...in my opinion. Virtually everyone has an axe to grind and present biased reports...and usually the media's axe is not political but is the color green. The media usually selects stories that they think will attract the most viewers and present those stories in a manner that they think will hold the viewers attention via the biased use of adjectives. I have yet to find an unbiased english language (I only speak or underst and english) news outlet...from any source...origin US or otherwise.

jayeff · 03-14-2005, 05:37 PM

It never fails. When 12-legend-in-his-own-lunchtime-clicks and the-I-am-not-a-republican-king are on one side of an argument, the other side is going to look better with every post.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

ahahahaha, I love these west coast losers "winning the argument" because I go home.

Ah, he tries to sneak back for the last word because he think I'm gone.

No, it's not because you went home, it's because you've proved how big of a fool you are in this thread (not the first time). This wasn't much of an argument, it was basically you making an ass of yourself and me pointing out the reasons.

I was just surprised at how weak your exit was. Chopping up my sentence to make it seem like I contradicted myself, pathetic. Too bad most people here can read for themselves, unlike you.

If you can point out one thing you've said in this thread that's accurate or truthful in any way, by all means do. At this point you basically look like a raving lunatic, talking about medical bills not forcing anyone into bankruptcy, government prepared news not being fake, not understanding the law of averages, etc etc etc. You should realize how stupid you look when the only person standing up for you, is a crazy old friendless moron who faked his own death on a message board when people started to realize how crazy he was.

You're lame as always, Einstein.

Rich · 03-14-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hershie

You know better than this.

No, no he doesn't.

hershie · 03-14-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

BTW...I do not think that government prepared material is any less credible than material gathered by individual media. I take every report with a grain of salt as they are equally incredible...in my opinion. Virtually everyone has an axe to grind and present biased reports...and usually the media's axe is not political but is the color green. The media usually selects stories that they think will attract the most viewers and present those stories in a manner that they think will hold the viewers attention via the biased use of adjectives. I have yet to find an unbiased english language (I only speak or underst and english) news outlet...from any source...origin US or otherwise.

Look, nobody is saying what the gov't is saying isn't truth or less credible. I completely agree with your assesment of the media above. But that is all beside the point. The gov't cannot get into the media business at all in the manner described in the article or else freedom of speach and a functioning democracy are at serious risk.

Take what is in that article about what the gov't is involved in to an even more involved level in the media and you have the makings of the end of your democracy IMO.

theking · 03-14-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hershie

You know better than this. C'mon. This was not a gov't issued press release that got picked up by a news organization. They fabricated propaganda to seem like an independant news story done by a reporter so it would get aired by sloppy or friendly news stations. They were trying to fool you to make you believe it was real news. How much clearer can this be for what it is.

The practice of the government preparing retports and or film and or video for news media release has been around since there has been a printing press...film and video. This is not nothing new. They have been shown in movie theaters prior to TV. Just review some of the old news reels shown in theaters...which was common practice prior to TV.

The press has always had the option of presenting goverment prepared reports or not to. Government prepared materials...by the Education Dept...Agriculture Dept...Transportation Dept...etc. has always been done and is in fact real news...just as real as any story prepared by individual media.

They are different than daily press releases made by the Administration/Departments...and in the case of the daily press releases of the Administration/Departments...some media run them some don't. That is called freedom of the press.

theking · 03-14-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

You should realize how stupid you look when the only person standing up for you, is a crazy old friendless moron who faked his own death on a message board when people started to realize how crazy he was

You made the accusation...prove it. If you can't then you are a proven liar...but of course it has already been proven multiple times that you are in fact a liar...Richy boy.

03-14-2005, 02:41 PM	#115
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Yes I do, that's how studies work 12clicks, it's called the law of averages. That's why the AP also "accepts" it, as does everyone else on the face of the earth with common sense and some form of diploma. Again, that's the type of thing normal people learn in the 10th grade. Last edited by Rich; 03-14-2005 at 02:43 PM..

03-14-2005, 03:18 PM	#127
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	BTW...Richy boy...feel free to go off into your dark bedroom and let the voices in your head...fill you with more bullshit...and come back a post some more lies. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

03-14-2005, 03:26 PM	#130
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	BTW...I am leaving too...as me and the dogs are going to the beach...thanks for entertaining me today...Richy boy. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

03-14-2005, 03:58 PM	#132
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,683	__________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

03-14-2005, 05:33 PM	#144
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	BTW...I do not think that government prepared material is any less credible than material gathered by individual media. I take every report with a grain of salt as they are equally incredible...in my opinion. Virtually everyone has an axe to grind and present biased reports...and usually the media's axe is not political but is the color green. The media usually selects stories that they think will attract the most viewers and present those stories in a manner that they think will hold the viewers attention via the biased use of adjectives. I have yet to find an unbiased english language (I only speak or underst and english) news outlet...from any source...origin US or otherwise. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

03-14-2005, 02:22 PM	#104
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	hmm, so, now you've been caught lying about my lying twice in a row. Let's see how many smilie faces and insults about Canadians it takes to make you feel you've made up for your stupidity on this one. I'm guess 7 laughing faces and 4 Canadian insults, this thread is pretty ugly for old 12dicks.

03-14-2005, 03:22 PM	#128
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	So that's it? 12dicks ran off like a little girl after being exposed as the lying jackass he is? He rested on an out of context edit of my posts? Wow, this is one of the worst displays I've ever seen by that idiot, and that's saying A LOT. Of course, I didn't catch the time where he said he was smarter than Einstein.

03-14-2005, 04:09 PM	#133
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03-14-2005, 05:03 PM	#134
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas "Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." I don't think it is too much of a stretch to envision a time when the gov't takes the practices they are doing in the article and slowly builds them up to a point that they are the dominant producers of the very news and information Americans are getting. This means real restriction of free thought if your news is gov't propoganda to make you follow their policies benignly. How clearer can this most dangerous of threats to democracy be.

03-14-2005, 05:04 PM	#136
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	Thomas Jefferson, 1786 Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.

03-14-2005, 05:15 PM	#139
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	We're all the gov'ts meat puppets and some in this thread sing their praises.

03-14-2005, 05:31 PM	#141
Dazza Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,598	Calling Hershie "kid" is funny enough by itself not to care what is in the rest of this thread.

03-14-2005, 05:37 PM	#145
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	It never fails. When 12-legend-in-his-own-lunchtime-clicks and the-I-am-not-a-republican-king are on one side of an argument, the other side is going to look better with every post.