FunForOne

but dont you guys see. You are falling victim to the very thing you are claiming that other people are falling victim to.

Someone put out a news article and someone rushed to post it on a board and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.

That is the cool aid mentality. You guys are being used as pawns. They write those articles to manage your belief systems and values. They use you to spread their message. Its works I guess.

hershie

My concern is real. I have no hate for the US. I lived there for 8 years before I moved to where I am at and employed over 100 US citizens at my business there... I am quite serious about the issue at hand the article raised.

I am shocked that this can take place and people aren't screaming out their windows for the madness to stop. This is to me may be the most serious long term threat to democracy and freedom in the US. If the people cannot access independant somewhat objective news and are being manipulated by propoganda disguised as news to make gov't actions get smoothed over in the public and hide the truths about their actions...than what can be worse for a country's future if this practice is taken to an extreme?

12clicks

um, again I'll ask you, where in the article did it say these stories weren't true?

instead of using all of your dopey catch phrases like "kool Aid" why don't you answer my question?
can't you be objective?

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Mojiteaux

American people in general are asleep, brainwashed and held hostage by their tv's. If they ever wake up they will find themselves in a horrible nightmare and only have themselves to blame.

FunForOne

yea, that would suck if they woke up and figured out their superior lifestyles weren't real.

Hell, who are we to tell them what to do with their lives. They should just question everything and stop enjoying themsevles.


They should turn off the television, get rid of their luxury cars, sell their big comfortable secure houses and beat their beautiful wives.


The assholes drink coca cola and watch the stock ticker from their $2500 recliners before the eat their delicious prepared steak dinners and then fall asleep in $10,000 king size beds.

I wish those dumb asses would open their eyes and realize that life is better in other countries.

Rich

lol, 12clicks having a grasp of history, riiiiight. The history of the world starts with the Reagan years, right?

It's amazing that some people can't even figure out what's wrong with the government putting out propaganda and disguising it as news. Seriously guys, move to North Korea immediately and let the civilized, educated people talk.

This is not exactly that most difficult thing to wrap your heads around folks, imagine how much you'd be crying if John Kerry had made a fake news story about Bush and sold it as a real news story. The only people who would argue the negative effect this has are the people who would defend literally anything the government does. 12dicks... check, Pathfinder... check, some kid named funforone... check. Ok, all the idiots are accounted for. You're the people who would have been goose stepping in line in Nazi Germany. I'm glad you guys think you're smarter than the rest of the free world, hopefully one day you'll grow up.

Rich

Ok simpleton, not like you could possibly be missing the point any more if you tried, but these are opinion peices. So it's not about true/false, it's opinion, and you're getting the government's opinion disguised as news.

Again, if you don't see anything wrong with this, I'll buy your plane ticket...

12clicks

oh look, the idiot US basher has arrived.
again idiot, where were these articles proven to be lies?

I'll wait while you dig up your links.

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12clicks

again, dear idiot, please point out where these pieces were "opinion"
again, I'll wait for your facts.

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ADL Colin

The thread title is "USA's Grip On Democracy Going Down The Drain". Now that takes the point of view that the US is becoming less democratic in its institutions. My example is just one of many that I could use to show that idealized democracy has never existed here. There's not a decrease in democratic institutions. There's the same ebb and flow, the same debate between security and liberty that there always has been. The debate began even before the writing of the constitution between the federalists and the anti-federalists. Once the country was founded the debates continued in the legislative and judicial branches and have to this day. Take the Alien and Sedition Act that I mentioned as an example. This act was passed by those who put security ahead of liberty during a time when it was perceived that security was more important. This is similar in our time to the Patriot Act.
There are many more examples from American History.

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12clicks

while we're waiting for the other idiot to come up with facts to back up his opinions, why don't you tell us how Bush screwed you?

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hershie

I am starting to think you just chalk this all up to the gov't trying to balance things out because of the predominace of the "biased liberal media" stories, because otherwise, I am stunned that you are arguing whether the stories were true or not. They were made up propoganda pieces disguised as a real news story by a real news reporter to influence people to accept the gov't line. This is what is the issue, not if the subject matter had any truth to it.

Rich

You... you didn't even read my post, you just went on to call me an idiot US basher. What the fuck is the point of even talking to jackasses like yourself? I didn't say the stories were lies, I said they were the government's opinion.

12clicks

No, they are no more made up than when the NY Times decideds to interview anti-american iraqis.

If they are lies, I have a problem. However, I'll accept the truth from any source.

As usual, you dopey America haters only care about the source.

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12clicks

Translation: let me throw up my typical bullshit so no one will notice I have no facts

maybe "fake" and "lies" are interchangeable in the canadian language.

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ADL Colin

Where do you mean? Obviously not in Canada.

"The Canadian Unity Council, a non-profit and non partisan organization, is a rallying point for thousands of volunteers. They share the conviction that better understanding of the nature and workings of Canadian institutions reinforces feelings of attachment to the country and greater citizen involvement in major discussions about the federation's future."

Now, look at their website . "This portal was created thanks to funding provided by the government of Canada".

Now, Rich. What is this? Government propaganda to keep Quebec in line?

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Rich

lol, you just refuse to get it. This isn't a source, that's the problem. It's the government paying news broadcasters to say what they want them to say, I fail to grasp how the problem with that continues to evade you, even in your limited capacity.



You have to be kidding me. How many times was the NY times attacked by you "American lovers" in this thread? I guess you guys don't care about the sources either, unless they disagree with your ideology.

Funny, you don't mind the source when it's government propaganda disguised as news, but one of your nation's oldest newspaper's is a liberal rag that "only stupid Canadians" read. That's a fan-fucking-tastic point there , you guys are really on the ball today.



lmfao, how would that be made up? Do you not believe that there are any "anti-American" people in the country you just destroyed? Seriously, pull your head out of your ass for one second before you start typing, almost everyone in Iraq is someone you would describe as "anti-American". Sort of like someone in Hawaii in 1944 being "anti-Japanese".

12clicks

I missed the part of that post where you called it opinion. I only saw you compare it to "fake"

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Rich

What? You have yet to even realize why these are fake news stories? They're government PR agents acting like reporters, I don't see how much more clear this can be.

Rich

The Alien and Sedation Act was one of the most ugly incidents in your country's history, and you're right it was similar to the Patriot Act. Hopefully Jefferson can win in 2008 and pardon everyone falsely arrested and held without trial at gitmo. I see your point, but I very strongly disagree, if the Alien and Sedation act had been kept and enforced since the 18th century, you'd be living in a pretty fucked up country.

Rich

They are fake. They pretend to be news stories, but they're not. It's not all that complicated, I don't understand what part of this you're having a hard time understanding.

Rich

Yes, that's what it is, I don't agree with it and I never said my government was perfect, believe me. All governments use propaganda. However, if they started airing fake news stories on CBC that come from Chretien's PR people, he would have been held over the coals. That kind of thing only flies in the former USSR, and apparently, the new USSR.

"Karen Ryan reporting", that would have lost Jean Chretien his position in a week.

Look what happened when the people found out he gave a couple million bucks from that to his pals, his party lost their majority and he's being grilled about it over a year after he left.

12clicks

I see you're going to ignore both my request for facts backing up your "fake" opinion and my request that you point out where the article said they were government opinion (I wouldn't want to lose the argument in the first 2 minutes either if I were you)
so I'll play along, idiot.



wrong again, idiot.
instead of imagining what you want the article to say, you should spend a half hour to read it.
"""Federal agencies are forthright with broadcasters about the origin of the news segments they distribute."""

there is no deception, dispite your idiot rants and logic.





attacked? by explaining that they have a different point of view? poor boy.

hahaha, this idiot has drunk so much kool aide he doesn't understand that the NY Times is a liberal rag. look koolie, what we've said is that when one side is anti government (NY Times) it is important to get out the other side.





I cut out some of your rant here just to keep it semi-intelligent.
there are two sides of the story. idiots like yourself read all the anit stuff and never get that there are just as many pro american iraqis who go unheard.
(just like it was a complete shock to you that kerry lost the election. you filled yourself up with liberal propaganda from the NY Times that you were completely blinded by the truth)

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12clicks

please child, back up you lie with a link.
shouting that they're fake doesn't make them so except in your house.

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12clicks

wow, this idiot is hook line and sinker.

you're right, child, they're all innocent in gitmo. its just a big government coverup to blame 9/11 on the A-rabs
we just grabbed some peaceful afghanis, called them terrorists, and hauled them away.
Bush really did it!

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Ahh...Richy boy...being made out to be the fool that he is...buy someone other than myself. I love it.

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Rich

No deception? What are you, hard of thinking? Paying a CNN commentator to talk up Bush's policies, and not telling anyone, is about as deceptive as it gets. I don't know what you'd need to understand why this is wrong, I still fail to understand how an adult can not see the negative side to this. I'm guessing that getting your grade 10 education would probably help you better understand what people are talking about. Don't worry Ron, there's still time to go back.

If he can do it, you can it (possibly)





This is standard practice for government apologists who don't have anything else to say. Attack the source and cover your eyes and ears while signing the national anthem in your head.



Oh dear God. So now they're anti-government as well. Funny, I remember them goose stepping right in line with every other "pro government" newspaper during the "WMD" propaganda campaign. The anti government people must have had that month off.




a) It wasn't a big shock to me when Bush won, I realize a lot of Americans are stupid.

b) Just as many "pro American" Iraqi's? Ok, now you've just proved your ignorance for everyone. How even say that with a strait face? Stop watching fucking Fox News assclown, it's fucking with your already fragile mind. hmm, amazing that the pro America party did so poorly in the elections then, even though the Sunni's, the people who probably hate Americans more than anyone, didn't even vote. Must be the NY Times making up the election results too. Great point as always, chief.

Rich

uh yeah, that is what you did in a lot of cases, pay attention. You have kids there. You were paying the Alliance in Afghanistan per head to round up taliban members, and they just started grabbing anyone.

No, all the thousands of people you have detained are guilty, they're all responsible for attacks against America. That's why you have no problem putting them on trial.

Rich

A link? This whole fucking conversation is about a God damn link. Do you really need links to do your thinking for you?

Here, I'll help.

Government pays CNN commentator to say what they want him to say = Fake news.

Simple enough for you?

All the smilie faces in the world doesn't make you right anywhere outside of your own, warped head.

12clicks

what's it like going thru life having to lie to look smart?
son, please quote from the article where it says a CNN commentator was paid to talk up Bush's policies.
you'r lies never stop so I'll stop them for you.

I'll wait while you back up yet another lie.

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12clicks

look, the little boy keeps yelling a lie thinking it somehow makes it true.

come on little boy, show us where the article says a CNN commentator was paid by the government.



imagine coming into contact with this moron in real life.
his neighbors must want to shoot themselves.

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anti-american ...? Is that waht you are called if you critisize the government..? Want some freedom fires with that?

Rich

What's it like going through life looking stupid all the time?

Of course you're kidding, because you're a very well informed man, and you already know all about the Armstrong Williams incident. Plus, it's not as if you can't read a full page of text, no, you're a very intelligent, fully literate man. I'm sure you read history books like most of us read newspapers.



Wow, if these are my lies, I can't wait to see when I'm telling the truth!

Rich

See above. I feel sorry for your children if you have any. Are you even able to read them a bedtime story? I've never even seen a child which such a reading comprehension problem.

xxxdesign-net

LOL .. let Bush tell the americans the "truth" about his social security program... And then let people make up their mind based on the very "infomative and objective" Bush's sponsored "news report" ....

Rich

However, despite the fact that your words contain nothing but utter nonsense, your smily faces do present a great point.


- Hey look, I'm a genius like 12dicks now too!

12clicks

dear lying child, I know you'd like to cloud your lying but you said a CNN commentator was paid by the government.

admit you lied to make a point and we'll move on to your other lies.

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12clicks

I understand your child like reflex of throwing up bullshit to hide your lies but can you tell us where in the article it said a CNN commentator was paid by the government?

come on silly child, you said it. did you lie, are you that stupid, or did you just drink that much kool aide?

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Hmm...Richy boy...you said "CNN commentator"...the last that I knew Armstrong Williams is not employed by CNN but is a radio talk jock. Am I mistaken? In addition what took place with Armstrong Williams has little to do with the crux of the NY Times article.

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Rich

Are you serious? I just posted the part about the CNN commentator being paid by the government.

I don't understand what's so hard to understand here. Armstrong Williams is on CNN, and the Education Department is the government the last time I checked.

You're really grasping at straws here.

12clicks

oh look, another idiot canadian thinking he has a clue about America.

hey, why don;'t you explain how your healthcare is better than ours.
thats always good for a laugh.
Then we'll move onto your version of social security.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLIT...sh.journalist/



This is hilarious, only on GFY can you be called a stupid liar for being completely right.

Rich

"b) We have the Canada pension plan, fairly similar to your SS, only ours isn't "on the verge of collapse"."

Read: Ours will still exist in 15 years.

12clicks

dear lying child, again, I understand how children, when backed into a corner with the truth, will try to lie their way out of it but this is getting embarrassing.
Armstrong Williams is not a CNN commentator.

Isn't it time for you to pretend you have pressing business and run from this thread?

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Richy boy...you were proven to be a liar about "CNN commentator"...just as you have been proven to be a liar about many subjects...many times. But the voices in your head tell you to never admit it. FYI...Armstrong Williams has appeared on CNN...as a quest from time to time...on some of the talking head shows...but is not...I repeat...is not a CNN commentator...thus your lie exposed.

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xxxdesign-net

lol.. lets recap.. You say something unbelievably stupid.. I point it to you.. And you come back with that..?

You want something good for a laugh..? Maybe you can tell us again how you debunked Einstein? Or maybe you can make us laugh again telling us how you would have cleaned John Kerry's clock during the debates.. with your amazing internet debating skills...?!

12clicks

hahaha, you better edit out the lie that "hundreds of thousands of families go bankrupt in America over healthcare"

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Rich

I've seen him on CNN many times.

Explain to us again how I'm wrong, oh wize one.

The only person who looks stupid in this thread is you. You can tell by the fact that the only person argeeing with you, is Pathfinder.

12clicks

and this somehow makes you credible when talkinga bout the US?

how funny.
son, I don't think you understand how funny I find it that every day threads are started and perpetuated by jealous, loser, canadians about how bad the US is.

compared to what????

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