Can you make $100k a year making avs sites, if you started today? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

baddog · 03-13-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultNex

Isn't that against the sponsor's ToS?

Most sponsors don't have a problem with it because they know AVS traffic is gold.

Use sponsor content to upsell that sponsor in the AVS and watch your conversions soar. Much better than TGP ratios

baddog · 03-13-2005, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate

"There is no money in AVS"

Yeah, just like SEO

baddog · 03-13-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JulianSosa

Nice stats;) How long is a period?

2 weeks - and he submits to about 5 TGPs and a couple linklists . . . . none of which I had ever heard of before

clickhappy · 03-13-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You have no idea what you are talking about

wow thats like $10k a month. Thats how much I want to do this year

Paul Markham · 03-13-2005, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodStuff

spoken like a content guy...traffic is king though.

Not unless you can convert it at a profit.

Traffic is fairly easy to raise, you can buy it, generate it yourself, get affiliates to send it, trade it and many more methods. It's possible to raise 1 million hits a day. Problem would be converting them at a profit.

KING is converting at a profit.

Welcome to the 21st Century where throwing mud at a wall is no longer an Internet business plan.

If you want to make money in the 21st century Adult Net, follow these simple rules.

Find a product worth selling.
Work on the presentation of that product.
Then concentrate on getting as many people to see it as you can within a margin that leaves a profit.

Chio The Pirate · 03-13-2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yeah, just like SEO

YARGH! I have been doing avs since 96 (it's all I do). It amazes me how wrong people are about it.

AHOY! Where's me french fried guppy fins!

baddog · 03-13-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

wow thats like $10k a month. Thats how much I want to do this year

He did it submitting to less than 10 sites, selling $4.95 lifetime memberships. Oh yeah . . . he only has 1 site in the system.

baddog · 03-13-2005, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate

YARGH! I have been doing avs since 96 (it's all I do). It amazes me how wrong people are about it.

Well, I think it is people that either got shafted by another company, or just read GFY too much. Anyone that knows what they are doing knows the truth.

maxjohan · 03-13-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

wow thats like $10k a month. Thats how much I want to do this year

same here lol.

Think I will turn some free site ideas to AVS instead. Good thread.

clickhappy · 03-13-2005, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

He did it submitting to less than 10 sites, selling $4.95 lifetime memberships. Oh yeah . . . he only has 1 site in the system.

what do you mean? he has 1 site he submitted to 10 different avs's?
or he's only with 1 avs, and submits the site to like 10 tgps, or something?

baddog · 03-13-2005, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

what do you mean? he has 1 site he submitted to 10 different avs's?
or he's only with 1 avs, and submits the site to like 10 tgps, or something?

I don't know or care what he did or did not do with other AVS's although I got the impression he only uses us.

Some people use the theory of making 100's if not 1,000's of AVS sites, submitting them and forgetting them, hoping for A) the AVS linklist traffic; or B) waiting for the search engines to find them.

He made 1 AVS site, and then every day would make 1 TGP gallery and 1 freesite (as I recall) with his AVS site in place of some other sponsor program, and submitted the TGP gallery to just a few TGP's and the freesite to a couple linklists. I doubt that he spent more than a couple hours a day.

Paul Markham · 03-13-2005, 01:26 AM

Seems to me the guy had a shit hot product, good design/display and converted well without thrown millions of hits at it.

Maybe it's time I started looking at AVS sites to promote our paysite.

clickhappy · 03-13-2005, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

Seems to me the guy had a shit hot product, good design/display and converted well without thrown millions of hits at it.

how do you know? you've seen the site?

baddog · 03-13-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

Seems to me the guy had a shit hot product, good design/display and converted well without thrown millions of hits at it.

Maybe it's time I started looking at AVS sites to promote our paysite.

You might think that, but you would be so very wrong. The site was simple. If you read the AVS tutorial I wrote, I give an example of a site that closely resembles his.

He has a teen site, and sends very little traffic to be honest. SPP just converts really well.

Paul Markham · 03-13-2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You might think that, but you would be so very wrong. The site was simple. If you read the AVS tutorial I wrote, I give an example of a site that closely resembles his.

He has a teen site, and sends very little traffic to be honest. SPP just converts really well.

Sounds like this SPP is kick arse then.

Must be a great program to do this, who owns it ...........

baddog · 03-13-2005, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

Sounds like this SPP is kick arse then.

Must be a great program to do this, who owns it ...........

some old guy

baddog · 03-13-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

Maybe it's time I started looking at AVS sites to promote our paysite.

I really need to discuss this specifically in the tutorial. I thought I had (I meant to), but I can't find it if I did.

In a nutshell, if you are going to TGP to get traffic to your paysite, you are fighting a losing battle because a majority of TGP surfers really want free porn. Trying to talk them into a $30/mo membership can be tough. So try and sell them a one-time $4.95, lifetime membership and it becomes a little easier.

Now, make your AVS site a little more hardcore than a TGP gallery. In other words, get paid ($20-30) for the right to give them a hardcore tour.

You have filtered your traffic, you will have much better conversions.

Dagwolf · 03-13-2005, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultNex

Forgive my AVS ignorance, but are you saying that you get sponsor content and use that for an AVS?

Isn't that against the sponsor's ToS?

AVS traffic is absolutely the best traffic you can send to your sponsors. Every surfer you send to your sponsor from your AVS site (a) Has a credit card and (b) is willing to use it online for porn.

It's on the same level as promoting another paysite inside your paysite (and in the same niche, if you're smart).

beta-tester · 03-13-2005, 02:56 AM

I don't know. I've never before tried to for with AVS/paysites...

Sexzity · 03-13-2005, 05:21 AM

I am going to try AVS

adonthenet · 03-13-2005, 05:24 AM

not a chance..
unless you have your own traffic sources.. =)

Paul Markham · 03-13-2005, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I really need to discuss this specifically in the tutorial. I thought I had (I meant to), but I can't find it if I did.

In a nutshell, if you are going to TGP to get traffic to your paysite, you are fighting a losing battle because a majority of TGP surfers really want free porn. Trying to talk them into a $30/mo membership can be tough. So try and sell them a one-time $4.95, lifetime membership and it becomes a little easier.

Now, make your AVS site a little more hardcore than a TGP gallery. In other words, get paid ($20-30) for the right to give them a hardcore tour.

You have filtered your traffic, you will have much better conversions.

The AVS site would make money off it's own back, but there is always the possibility of upselling. Everyone wants it for free, but most know to get the best you have to fork out.

But there is you saying it's not on and another telling us AVS traffic is great to upsell.

Tipsy · 03-13-2005, 07:42 AM

A small word of caution to those confused...be careful who you use to upsell to. A 'good' AVS system offers a lot and if the members area of the site you upsell isn't shit hot they'll cancel very quickly. However, upsell a quality sponsors and they can rebill for a long time. Alternatively of course you can always upsell a PPS site.

As BD says though upselling these days it like the icing on the cake. If you're serious about making money with AVS you need pass sales and that means as with everything else you still need good sources of traffic.

There are no streets lined with gold anymore. It takes work whatever method you use to make money.

Nicky · 03-13-2005, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Juicy does AVS?

Paul Markham · 03-13-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy

There are no streets lined with gold anymore. It takes work whatever method you use to make money.

I wish I had said that.

baddog · 03-13-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by adonthenet

not a chance..
unless you have your own traffic sources.. =)

welcome to the 21st Century

baddog · 03-13-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by charly

The AVS site would make money off it's own back, but there is always the possibility of upselling. Everyone wants it for free, but most know to get the best you have to fork out.

But there is you saying it's not on and another telling us AVS traffic is great to upsell.

I am sorry, I have read this 3 times, and it looks like English, but I have no idea what you just said.

I thought it was a given that AVS traffic is the best qualified traffic there is. It is even better than SE traffic, because you have weeded out the people that are not going to pay for porn

xNetworx · 03-13-2005, 03:20 PM

Baddog... how many of your SPP webmasters grossed over 100k last year?

w0rstluk · 03-13-2005, 03:30 PM

i've been doing avs for about 4-5 years, and i can tell you honestly that the money from the linklists is just not there anymore. about 15-20 months ago you could make an adultbouncer site and get thousands of dollars(including amazing rebills) from new signups just from the new list. Try to do that now you will struggle to do 5+ signups.

its frustrating becuase i havent really learned how to do anything else, im mostly an avs guy.

this tgp --> cheap/free avs site upsell seems like the way to go for now. I might just try that out

Dagwolf · 03-13-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by w0rstluk

i've been doing avs for about 4-5 years, and i can tell you honestly that the money from the linklists is just not there anymore. about 15-20 months ago you could make an adultbouncer site and get thousands of dollars(including amazing rebills) from new signups just from the new list. Try to do that now you will struggle to do 5+ signups.

its frustrating becuase i havent really learned how to do anything else, im mostly an avs guy.

this tgp --> cheap/free avs site upsell seems like the way to go for now. I might just try that out

If you're already making AVS sites, you'll find you have most of the skills you need to get going.

baddog · 03-13-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

Baddog... how many of your SPP webmasters grossed over 100k last year?

While I am not sure I would answer that question if I could, I will say this:

XXXDwarf (whose stats were posted on page 1) is one of our top earners. He did not even join SPP until August. Those were his first first 2 1/2 months ($18,755).

baddog · 03-13-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by w0rstluk

this tgp --> cheap/free avs site upsell seems like the way to go for now. I might just try that out

It works

GoodStuff · 03-13-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

It works

Yes it does!

GoodStuff · 03-13-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

If you're already making AVS sites, you'll find you have most of the skills you need to get going.

True...One of the best things is to use the members area galleries for your promotional galleries as well. Why make twice the effort when you can do it all at once? You just switch the members area galleries to upsell the sponsor instead of the AVS;)

GoodStuff · 03-13-2005, 07:12 PM

Sorry charly, I still think traffic is king...

You can have the worst content (for example, free sponsor content) and still make sales if you send it 100K hits. But if you have the best content in the world and can only send it 1K hits, you might never make a sale. You just can't make sales with no traffic. You can make sales with shitty content.

baddog · 03-13-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodStuff

Sorry charly, I still think traffic is king...

You can have the worst content (for example, free sponsor content) and still make sales if you send it 100K hits. But if you have the best content in the world and can only send it 1K hits, you might never make a sale. You just can't make sales with no traffic. You can make sales with shitty content.

This is quite true . . . and why everyone should invest $149 and investigate their linking relationships with others.

ModelPerfect · 03-14-2005, 05:43 AM

I've been doing AVS since '97 and have sites I have literally not touched in 7 years still making money. Don't let the doubters scare you off.

ModelPerfect · 03-14-2005, 05:45 AM

Baddog, any chance of starting a recurring program with SexPicturePass?

hydro · 03-14-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodStuff

Sorry charly, I still think traffic is king...

You can have the worst content (for example, free sponsor content) and still make sales if you send it 100K hits. But if you have the best content in the world and can only send it 1K hits, you might never make a sale. You just can't make sales with no traffic. You can make sales with shitty content.

content is king and traffic is its queen. Of course if you had some really good content and no traffic you wouldn't get anywhere but even if you had google.com redirect to your site and your content is trash you won't get anywhere. They go hand in hand and you better make sure both are of the highest quality

Nysus · 03-14-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate

ROFL..

Matt

ModelPerfect · 03-14-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodStuff

Sorry charly, I still think traffic is king...

You can have the worst content (for example, free sponsor content) and still make sales if you send it 100K hits. But if you have the best content in the world and can only send it 1K hits, you might never make a sale. You just can't make sales with no traffic. You can make sales with shitty content.

lol. "Sorry charly"

Basic_man · 03-14-2005, 09:12 AM

There is no money to be earn in porn !

clickhappy · 03-14-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

He has a teen site, and sends very little traffic to be honest. SPP just converts really well.

teen niche huh? All this time I thought teen had low conversions. I'll take another look at it

baddog · 03-14-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ModelPerfect

Baddog, any chance of starting a recurring program with SexPicturePass?

No, I avoid all the VISA issues with my current business model, and I would like to keep it that way.

In fact, I am opening two new AVS's this year, and both will most likely follow the same model. Like they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

baddog · 03-14-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

teen niche huh? All this time I thought teen had low conversions. I'll take another look at it

Put it this way . . . the guy was making sales before I even had a chance to review his site.

nmcog · 03-14-2005, 04:16 PM

The $4.95 trial has to convert for the affiliate to get paid?

nmcog · 03-14-2005, 04:18 PM

Whats the average conversion ratio for SPP?

I'm sure the access to Hustler should help

w0rstluk · 03-14-2005, 05:02 PM

have you tried using freeagecard or sexkey instead of SPP or other free/cheap avs systems?

flashfire · 03-14-2005, 05:03 PM

there are easier ways to make 100k

baddog · 03-14-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nmcog

The $4.95 trial has to convert for the affiliate to get paid?

No, get the trial signup, and you get paid

03-13-2005, 01:26 AM	#62
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Seems to me the guy had a shit hot product, good design/display and converted well without thrown millions of hits at it. Maybe it's time I started looking at AVS sites to promote our paysite. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-13-2005, 02:56 AM	#69
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03-13-2005, 07:42 AM	#73
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	A small word of caution to those confused...be careful who you use to upsell to. A 'good' AVS system offers a lot and if the members area of the site you upsell isn't shit hot they'll cancel very quickly. However, upsell a quality sponsors and they can rebill for a long time. Alternatively of course you can always upsell a PPS site. As BD says though upselling these days it like the icing on the cake. If you're serious about making money with AVS you need pass sales and that means as with everything else you still need good sources of traffic. There are no streets lined with gold anymore. It takes work whatever method you use to make money. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

03-14-2005, 05:43 AM	#87
ModelPerfect Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,862	I've been doing AVS since '97 and have sites I have literally not touched in 7 years still making money. Don't let the doubters scare you off. __________________ Logan modelperfect [at] gmail.com http://www.modelperfect.com (Proudly hosted at www.webair.com )

03-14-2005, 05:45 AM	#88
ModelPerfect Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,862	Baddog, any chance of starting a recurring program with SexPicturePass? __________________ Logan modelperfect [at] gmail.com http://www.modelperfect.com (Proudly hosted at www.webair.com )

03-13-2005, 05:21 AM	#70
Sexzity Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cyperspaces! Posts: 1,329	I am going to try AVS

03-13-2005, 05:24 AM	#71
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	not a chance.. unless you have your own traffic sources.. =)

03-13-2005, 03:20 PM	#78
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	Baddog... how many of your SPP webmasters grossed over 100k last year?

03-13-2005, 03:30 PM	#79
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	i've been doing avs for about 4-5 years, and i can tell you honestly that the money from the linklists is just not there anymore. about 15-20 months ago you could make an adultbouncer site and get thousands of dollars(including amazing rebills) from new signups just from the new list. Try to do that now you will struggle to do 5+ signups. its frustrating becuase i havent really learned how to do anything else, im mostly an avs guy. this tgp --> cheap/free avs site upsell seems like the way to go for now. I might just try that out

03-13-2005, 07:12 PM	#85
GoodStuff Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 511	Sorry charly, I still think traffic is king... You can have the worst content (for example, free sponsor content) and still make sales if you send it 100K hits. But if you have the best content in the world and can only send it 1K hits, you might never make a sale. You just can't make sales with no traffic. You can make sales with shitty content.

03-14-2005, 09:12 AM	#92
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03-14-2005, 04:16 PM	#96
nmcog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 825	The $4.95 trial has to convert for the affiliate to get paid?

03-14-2005, 04:18 PM	#97
nmcog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 825	Whats the average conversion ratio for SPP? I'm sure the access to Hustler should help

03-14-2005, 05:02 PM	#98
w0rstluk Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 78	have you tried using freeagecard or sexkey instead of SPP or other free/cheap avs systems?

03-14-2005, 05:03 PM	#99
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	there are easier ways to make 100k