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Jinn · 12-17-2001, 04:22 PM

I am wondering if it is child porn that an erotic story or fiction has minors involved in sexual act. I saw quite several story sites list stories about girls/boys between 14-18, or 12-14, or even younger than 12.

And what about drawings and illustrations? Is it legal to display the paints having someone looking younger than 18 or 14? If you can, please show me some legal references for why they are or are not child porn and legal. Thank you very much.

Jinn

12-17-2001, 05:26 PM

Who cares about legality? It's fucked up, sick and wrong!!

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Jayson: · 12-17-2001, 06:02 PM

Without getting into my views on the morals of the topic to answer your question it is my belief that it is not illegal, at least in the United States, to have stories that contain these topics. In fact most authors will argue their freedom of speach rights on this topic.

I am not sure on artwork/illustrations etc but I would think that would be more of a no but I do not know.

There are actually a number of instances of well known authors stories that contain (maybe not quite as graphically depicted as some stories found on the web) these types of topics in their works.

The argument I have been given mostly is "would it be right or allowable to film someone being murdered - no; but I can right a book about it - no problem".

This is not my personal opinion simply my view on the current legal situation.

Jayson

PS. After reading this board for many months this is my first post so Hi, maybe I should have chosen a less controversial topic?

Heather4fun · 12-17-2001, 06:42 PM

Regardless of legal or not, That should be turned in and the assholes outa be arrested, isnt there enough porn on here without resulting to kiddie stuff, and if they are creating the stories I hate to see what they are really doing, dont you think they need to be reported and investigated? Them Fuckers. That pisses me off more than anything. Freedom of speach my ass, that If I were to say I killed someone, wouldnt someone investigate me?

sasush · 12-17-2001, 06:46 PM

child porn is sick !!

Kat - Fast · 12-17-2001, 07:13 PM

Regardless of what is 'sick' and 'morally wrong' (cos of course it's ok to anally rape an 18 year old cos she 'signed a consent form') it is illegal to own, download or display any image of minors (<18) in the UK....and probably the rest of western civilization.
I hope.

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SixNine · 12-17-2001, 07:24 PM

It may not be illegal but it's definetly wrong.

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UnseenWorld · 12-18-2001, 12:52 AM

Regarding paintings of nude children, what about all those naked cherubs on the ceilings of cathedrals? Isn't some of this just plain hysteria?

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kmanrox · 12-18-2001, 04:54 AM

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kittykat69 · 12-18-2001, 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld:
Regarding paintings of nude children, what about all those naked cherubs on the ceilings of cathedrals? Isn't some of this just plain hysteria?

Pictures of naked children are not wrong in themselves - what parent doesn't just LOVE to pull out the photo album when you bring you future partner home - and they show them all the nude pics of you as a little child?!

It's when the pics become suggestive that it is wrong.

The human body is a natural thing - but explotiting children _ISN"T_!!!!

It is FUCKING SICK and ppl who promote this sort of sick shit should be strung up by the balls and have their eyes gauged out with red hot pokers so they can't look at kids and there hands cut off so they can't touch them.

Jinn - if you saw any sites like this then I hope you wrote down the URLs so you can report these sick fucks!!!

Another member of this board ( they can say who they are if they want) was reviewing their listings and some bastard had changed the site - he got caught in a Kiddie Porn Circle Jerk ... so he spent about 2 hours goung to all the sites and listing their URL's and immediately sent them off to ASACP.
I stongly suggest that you do the same if you come across any of these sites.

I know it's disturbing to have to even look at them - but the only way to stop these fuckers is to find out who they are and report them.

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Hypo · 12-18-2001, 05:45 AM

Murdering people is wrong, so should there be no movies/books/illustrations about people being murdered? You guys are mixing reality with fantasy. Fiction about teen sex is not in any way related to child porn. It's just fantasy. You start punishing people for their fantasies, you might as well go about trying to censor dreams.

Jinn · 12-18-2001, 08:37 AM

Thank you everyone. Like everybody here, I hate those pic/stoires/illustration using child as subject. That is not sexy or exciting, it's disgusting. But it's just a personal feeling. Just like Hypo said, you can't punishing people for their fantasies. Thank nickbaauw for the link. Here is what I see on the FAQ page of asacp (http://www.asacp.com/faq.html):

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Q. Are child pornography text stories illegal and should I report them?

A. As of today it is 'technically' not illegal to feature text related to underage persons. We understand your concerns but unfortunately we are unable to report sites that offer this type of material at this time.

Q. Are anime/cartoon sites which seem to depict child pornography drawings illegal and should I report them?

A. At this time animations, drawings and cartoons are also 'technically' not illegal. This issue is currently being debated by the U.S. Supreme Court. Unfortunately we are unable to report sites that offer this type of material at this time.
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To quote SixNine: "It may not be illegal but it's definetly wrong."

Jinn

fantasyc · 12-18-2001, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Hypo:
Murdering people is wrong, so should there be no movies/books/illustrations about people being murdered? You guys are mixing reality with fantasy. Fiction about teen sex is not in any way related to child porn. It's just fantasy. You start punishing people for their fantasies, you might as well go about trying to censor dreams.

I agree with you man, however there is a big difference between violence and child pornography. Violence has become accepted in today's society as a part of life. There is no shock value. Unfortunately, people will never be as open minded about sex. Whether it's a fantasy or reality doesn't matter. You add a child to a violent situation and it changes peoples emotions and views. Children are supposed to innocent and protected. They are unable to care for themselves, we are their protector.

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kittykat69 · 12-18-2001, 10:03 AM

Tracy you are absolutely correct - it wasn't so long ago when ppl were shocked to hear about violence in their commnunity - and murder was a freak occurance - that was only a few decades ago..
Now ppl can lay dead on a main street and everyon just walks pst - this is how desensitised we have become.

Do you want that to happen with child rape as well???!!!!
Fuck me - if we become desensitised to THAT - then there is no hope for humnanity..

It's got nothing to do with fantasy - sure everyone has a fantasy - most ppl fantasize about winning the lottery or fucking someone really famous they like - or owning a ferrari, but ppl who fantasize about murder and rape need mental health therapy.

A lot of the population thinks these ppl should be shot - I say we should study them and try to work out what makes em wanna do it .. one thing is for sure - that material like this only goes to fuel their ideas and that is in itself reason enough to outlaw it.

421Fill · 12-18-2001, 03:10 PM

Just my 2 cents, but Thank you Jinn for not posting any urls. But, hell yes give those urls to ascap.

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12-17-2001, 04:22 PM	#1
Jinn Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 72	Is this child porn? I am wondering if it is child porn that an erotic story or fiction has minors involved in sexual act. I saw quite several story sites list stories about girls/boys between 14-18, or 12-14, or even younger than 12. And what about drawings and illustrations? Is it legal to display the paints having someone looking younger than 18 or 14? If you can, please show me some legal references for why they are or are not child porn and legal. Thank you very much. Jinn

12-17-2001, 05:26 PM	#2
Armed & Hammered Guest Posts: n/a	Who cares about legality? It's fucked up, sick and wrong!! ------------------

12-17-2001, 06:02 PM	#3
Jayson: Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 8	Without getting into my views on the morals of the topic to answer your question it is my belief that it is not illegal, at least in the United States, to have stories that contain these topics. In fact most authors will argue their freedom of speach rights on this topic. I am not sure on artwork/illustrations etc but I would think that would be more of a no but I do not know. There are actually a number of instances of well known authors stories that contain (maybe not quite as graphically depicted as some stories found on the web) these types of topics in their works. The argument I have been given mostly is "would it be right or allowable to film someone being murdered - no; but I can right a book about it - no problem". This is not my personal opinion simply my view on the current legal situation. Jayson PS. After reading this board for many months this is my first post so Hi, maybe I should have chosen a less controversial topic?

12-17-2001, 06:42 PM	#4
Heather4fun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Pittsburgh,Pa.U.S.A. Posts: 147	Regardless of legal or not, That should be turned in and the assholes outa be arrested, isnt there enough porn on here without resulting to kiddie stuff, and if they are creating the stories I hate to see what they are really doing, dont you think they need to be reported and investigated? Them Fuckers. That pisses me off more than anything. Freedom of speach my ass, that If I were to say I killed someone, wouldnt someone investigate me?

12-17-2001, 06:46 PM	#5
sasush So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,026	child porn is sick !!

12-17-2001, 07:13 PM	#6
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	Regardless of what is 'sick' and 'morally wrong' (cos of course it's ok to anally rape an 18 year old cos she 'signed a consent form') it is illegal to own, download or display any image of minors (<18) in the UK....and probably the rest of western civilization. I hope. ------------------ Baldness be Gone!

12-17-2001, 07:24 PM	#7
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	It may not be illegal but it's definetly wrong. SixNine ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.soulcash.com/content.htm" TARGET=_blank> </A>

12-18-2001, 12:52 AM	#8
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	Regarding paintings of nude children, what about all those naked cherubs on the ceilings of cathedrals? Isn't some of this just plain hysteria?

12-18-2001, 01:23 AM	#9
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	I'll give you this: http://www.asacp.com

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12-18-2001, 05:45 AM	#13
Hypo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,104	Murdering people is wrong, so should there be no movies/books/illustrations about people being murdered? You guys are mixing reality with fantasy. Fiction about teen sex is not in any way related to child porn. It's just fantasy. You start punishing people for their fantasies, you might as well go about trying to censor dreams.

12-18-2001, 08:37 AM	#14
Jinn Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 72	Thank you everyone. Like everybody here, I hate those pic/stoires/illustration using child as subject. That is not sexy or exciting, it's disgusting. But it's just a personal feeling. Just like Hypo said, you can't punishing people for their fantasies. Thank nickbaauw for the link. Here is what I see on the FAQ page of asacp (http://www.asacp.com/faq.html): -------------- Q. Are child pornography text stories illegal and should I report them? A. As of today it is 'technically' not illegal to feature text related to underage persons. We understand your concerns but unfortunately we are unable to report sites that offer this type of material at this time. Q. Are anime/cartoon sites which seem to depict child pornography drawings illegal and should I report them? A. At this time animations, drawings and cartoons are also 'technically' not illegal. This issue is currently being debated by the U.S. Supreme Court. Unfortunately we are unable to report sites that offer this type of material at this time. ------------- To quote SixNine: "It may not be illegal but it's definetly wrong." Jinn

12-18-2001, 10:03 AM	#16
kittykat69 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Wonderland Posts: 695	Tracy you are absolutely correct - it wasn't so long ago when ppl were shocked to hear about violence in their commnunity - and murder was a freak occurance - that was only a few decades ago.. Now ppl can lay dead on a main street and everyon just walks pst - this is how desensitised we have become. Do you want that to happen with child rape as well???!!!! Fuck me - if we become desensitised to THAT - then there is no hope for humnanity.. It's got nothing to do with fantasy - sure everyone has a fantasy - most ppl fantasize about winning the lottery or fucking someone really famous they like - or owning a ferrari, but ppl who fantasize about murder and rape need mental health therapy. A lot of the population thinks these ppl should be shot - I say we should study them and try to work out what makes em wanna do it .. one thing is for sure - that material like this only goes to fuel their ideas and that is in itself reason enough to outlaw it.

12-18-2001, 03:10 PM	#17
421Fill Super Mario Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Swenson's Avatar Posts: 19,601	Just my 2 cents, but Thank you Jinn for not posting any urls. But, hell yes give those urls to ascap. ------------------ Last Chance Inn & Saloon Liquor In The Front Poker In The Rear!!