what happened to topbucks tours? yikes

[Nardimus]

just got an email about their 2 new sites:

http://www.housewifebangers.com/s1/i...d=1014&nopop=1

http://www.firsttimeswallows.com/?re...14&s=1&nopop=1

they used to have such nice designs, these look like a graduate of a 2 week graphic class busted these out.

maybe they'll still convert i dont know but damn.

[Jace]

the second one is all right, nothing great though

the first one sucks big ass though...it look like someone who just learned what a bevel is did it

[Allison]

Originally Posted by Nardimus

just got an email about their 2 new sites:

http://www.housewifebangers.com/s1/i...d=1014&nopop=1

http://www.firsttimeswallows.com/?re...14&s=1&nopop=1

they used to have such nice designs, these look like a graduate of a 2 week graphic class busted these out.

maybe they'll still convert i dont know but damn.

We appreciate your feedback on our sites and will pass on your constructive criticism. We design our sites based on what we've seen work and not work from our experience. We do provide our affiliates several tour designs to choose from and we should be launching our second tours for each site later this week. We also constantly improve upon our site tours when we see that something may not be working.

It's really too early to tell, but with our test traffic both sites did fairly well and HouseWifeBangers especially stood out.

~Alli

[thaifan99]

Most of TB stuff does well for me......try it out.

[kenny]

I think they both look fine

[BV]

good content and simple converts great

nothing wrong at all with those tours

[bopha]

I don't know. I didn't think they were so bad. Probably going for the K.I.S.S
marketing.

I like the "loser husband" tag. lol

[Spunky]

I think they look great Go with what works

[hydro]

my ratios are higher today but i did change the traffic sources the other day so ill have to wait and see

[aico]

Loads fast, shows you the goods, gets you the trailers, doesn't put you into an epileptic seisure from all the nonesense background text that some sites have... both look good to me.

[Blue_Spade]

Here is how I see it . . . we trust Topbucks with alot of our traffic - they release new sites we immediatley throw up links. You cannot second guess a company like Topbucks . . . they know their market way too well to put out bad sites!

Just some fast numbers for ya . . . the milf site is at 1:325 and the swallowing site is at 1:475 for us . . . the proof is in the pudding!

Way to go on the new launches Alli . . . see ya in pheonix girlie

[jimmyf]

Originally Posted by BV

good content and simple converts great

[V_RocKs]

First one looks undone, but then again, surfers aren't looking at designs, they are looking at content. The popularity of some really shitty amateur sites will support this fact.

[Fletch XXX]

i wrote about a thread like this... where affiliates deman the most graphical and hardcore tours.... liottle do they know thats not always the one that converts the best.

if people thought mroe about conversions instead of what the sites look like... well... why do i want to help a bunch of kids?

[Fletch XXX]

heres what i wrote though

Too many programs are just making sites for themselves and affiliates and are missing the entire point. Recently, I saw a company start a thread on a message board asking the posters which tour they thought would "do the best." What I noticed was - immediately, the affiliates wanted the most graphical hardcore site with the most over-the-top graphics and chose the tour with absolutely no selling point other than gaping assholes and throat-sex. While this surely pleases affiliates and surfers, this does not mean this is the best version of the tour. Personally, I believe in show less, make more.

read more: http://www.ch33rs.com/member-sections.html

[andrewa]

Originally Posted by Blue_Spade

Just some fast numbers for ya . . . the milf site is at 1:325 and the swallowing site is at 1:475 for us . . . the proof is in the pudding!

I dont see the housewife site as a milf site. Its more of a couples/voyeur site. Age range on the girls seems to be mixed.

[LaurieX]

Originally Posted by Blue_Spade

Here is how I see it . . . we trust Topbucks with alot of our traffic - they release new sites we immediatley throw up links. You cannot second guess a company like Topbucks . . . they know their market way too well to put out bad sites!

Just some fast numbers for ya . . . the milf site is at 1:325 and the swallowing site is at 1:475 for us . . . the proof is in the pudding!

Way to go on the new launches Alli . . . see ya in pheonix girlie

[xApster]

If you have noticed all the big guys are launching simple tours... look at ND new site... maybe they convert better

[rswelling]

Friend,
Ordinarily I don't post here, mostly because I am busy designing sites...editing video, and managing our team of 8 designers...BUT since i designed the housewife bangers site personally (and it may not be my most flashy design) i feel rather intrigued by your post. I am a graduate of Boston University School for the Arts, and have been designing sites, promotional material, and anything else TB related for umm well over 8 years now. I have been the art director at TB for 5 of those years so have designed alot of sites here (since we were topcash all through your perceived decline in visual quality). Now i am going to offer you some simple advice on doling out critisism. As designers we really like it when someone qualified rips our designs apart...someone who offers examples to credit their observations. you offer nothing but unqualified rather mundane opinion?
Recently we have gone to a very simple look, because we study our stats and we respond to what converts for our webmasters. We have even started updating older sites (so in a few weeks i would suggest checking out some of our older excellent sites), working with in house and outside freelancers to get a good variety of styles, as we recognize designers all have their own induvidual strengths. Anyway I just wanted to respond to your post, and was wondering if you actually had any real dialog in mind or were just looking at some boring way to attack TopBucks. feel free to respond directly or indirectly with positive suggestions to improve our sites, based on coherent research! And seriously you shouldn't be butthurt if we don't immediately act on your advice, we get alot of "advice" and consider that which works for us. Anyway i suggest you try some of our sites and see how they convert...
Time to finish my coffee and get back to work with my 2 week old knowledge of the bevel tool. Thanks to those on this board who support us, and make money with our sites, you continue to make TopBucks the best place i have ever worked.
Buenos Dias,

[bigdog]

The site designs were not that bad,maybe more simple designs work for topbucks

[Dalai lama]

the second one, first time swallows looks fine.

[BV]

Originally Posted by rswelling

Time to finish my coffee and get back to work with my 2 week old knowledge of the bevel tool.

JaceXXX was the one that made the bevel comment. However I seriously doubt either one of them could design a tour 1/10 th as good as these so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Cheers,
BV

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rswelling

Friend,
Ordinarily I don't post here, mostly because I am busy designing sites...editing video, and managing our team of 8 designers...BUT since i designed the housewife bangers site personally (and it may not be my most flashy design) i feel rather intrigued by your post. I am a graduate of Boston University School for the Arts, and have been designing sites, promotional material, and anything else TB related for umm well over 8 years now. I have been the art director at TB for 5 of those years so have designed alot of sites here (since we were topcash all through your perceived decline in visual quality). Now i am going to offer you some simple advice on doling out critisism. As designers we really like it when someone qualified rips our designs apart...someone who offers examples to credit their observations. you offer nothing but unqualified rather mundane opinion?
Recently we have gone to a very simple look, because we study our stats and we respond to what converts for our webmasters. We have even started updating older sites (so in a few weeks i would suggest checking out some of our older excellent sites), working with in house and outside freelancers to get a good variety of styles, as we recognize designers all have their own induvidual strengths. Anyway I just wanted to respond to your post, and was wondering if you actually had any real dialog in mind or were just looking at some boring way to attack TopBucks. feel free to respond directly or indirectly with positive suggestions to improve our sites, based on coherent research! And seriously you shouldn't be butthurt if we don't immediately act on your advice, we get alot of "advice" and consider that which works for us. Anyway i suggest you try some of our sites and see how they convert...
Time to finish my coffee and get back to work with my 2 week old knowledge of the bevel tool. Thanks to those on this board who support us, and make money with our sites, you continue to make TopBucks the best place i have ever worked.
Buenos Dias,

Hey Richard, I aologize for the comment I made, and after reading this thread in full I understand where you all are coming from and can honestly say that what I said was just in passing after just glancing briefly at the design. I now understand where you all are coming from. Although I still don't personally like the designs, they convert which is all that matters.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by BV

JaceXXX was the one that made the bevel comment. However I seriously doubt either one of them could design a tour 1/10 th as good as these so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Cheers,
BV

you don't know me fool...and yes, i can design a pretty damn good tour...it is after all, what I do for a living...just cause I don't care for one particular design that someone else did, and the style they did it in, doesn't mean I can design something equally as good, but in my own style

[BV]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

you don't know me fool...and yes, i can design a pretty damn good tour...it is after all, what I do for a living...just cause I don't care for one particular design that someone else did, and the style they did it in, doesn't mean I can design something equally as good, but in my own style

you're the fool in this thread homey, and many others where you spew your bullshit
let's see some of you tours that as you say are "equally good in your own style'...... hahahaha if that isn't a bullshit fucking response i don't know what is.

Let's see what you got!

The moral to this story is don't slam someone elses work unless you can do better.

Second point is simple tours convert, I build all of my own tours, galleries, etc and i know what converts, you know shit or you wouldn't have spewed off at the mouth like you have so many other times including the first time you spewed off to me.

[Rui]

Most "webmasters" seem to slow to understand that tours loaded with flash, corny colours & cluttered with shit are worse than simple & direct stuff...tskk tskk

[Jace]

Originally Posted by BV

you're the fool in this thread homey, and many others where you spew your bullshit
let's see some of you tours that as you say are "equally good in your own style'...... hahahaha if that isn't a bullshit fucking response i don't know what is.

Let's see what you got!

The moral to this story is don't slam someone elses work unless you can do better.

Second point is simple tours convert, I build all of my own tours, galleries, etc and i know what converts, you know shit or you wouldn't have spewed off at the mouth like you have so many other times including the first time you spewed off to me.

I am not going to get into a shouting match, instead of ignoring what was said and pretending like it didn't happen I came back in here and apologized for my comment...I personally didn't like the design and it is something I never would have tried, and now understand that it is something that can work...as for my designs, tabithastoybox.com consistantly converts at 1:400 a less with all traffic..and as like you, i do all my tours, galleries, etc and know what converts for my traffic

when did I first spew off to you? if it was uncalled for I apologize, i was probably just being an idiot like I often do on here...don't take this place so literal man, half the time we are all just fucking around

[Barefootsies]

Love, Peace and Happiness ;).

[Corleone]

great tours.. I like them both

[siva350]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

as for my designs, tabithastoybox.com consistantly converts at 1:400 a less with all traffic..and as like you, i do all my tours, galleries, etc and know what converts for my traffic

Your going to rip on the topbucks tours then show tabithastoybox.com as a good design... Your ripped, both those topbucks tours put yours to shame in my opinion

[Trax]

I think Jace is right... I don't like the new tours either but as long as they convert I don't care... It might have sounded a little harsh but the new tours look crappy compared to the past work. Thats a fact if you ask me...
Up to know I thought the new designs have been outsourced. Good to know this ain't the case and that there is a lot of thoughts and experience behind them.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by siva350

Your going to rip on the topbucks tours then show tabithastoybox.com as a good design... Your ripped, both those topbucks tours put yours to shame in my opinion

like i said, they convert less than 1:400 overall....so in my book that is all that matters

I don't like the topbucks tours, you don't like tabithastoybox....ain't it wierd how some people don't like different things but they still convert?? amazing world huh?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by siva350

Your going to rip on the topbucks tours then show tabithastoybox.com as a good design... Your ripped, both those topbucks tours put yours to shame in my opinion

and i didn't show tabitha's toybox as a good design, i showed it as a design that converts...two seperate things IMO...cause I don't like some of the shit I design, but if it converts that is what matters...i personally don't care for what I did on tabithastoybox, it was not some of my better work...but once again, it converts and that is what matters to me...

[d00t]

as a designer for many years, for some big sponsors, I have to say MOST of the time IN MY EXPERIENCE a SLICK DESIGN + SELL = successful
sometimes there is an exception to this rule where a AVERAGE DESIGN + AVERAGE TEXT = VERY SUCCESSFUL... no idea why, perhaps its the color or feel for the site the user first gets when they hit it.

Keep in mind that while we trust our traffic with sponsors, at the end of the day we should know our own traffic better than ANYONE else and push a sponsor/site that does BEST for our traffic.

If these new topbucks sites are not what your traffic has traditionally done best on, then don't promote them. There are plenty of options out there today for a cunning webmaster. You could always filter traffic through say.. pimpinpays.com and send exits/upsells to topbucks... cash in twice in some cases .. ;)

Saying that, topbucks have been around forever and obviously have a lot of experience in what works. Stick with a winning formula.

[JimmiDean]

I love Topbucks.

[flashfire]

those tours arnt all that bad...I dont think so anyway