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Rich · 03-07-2005, 04:56 PM

Man these guys are smart, no wonder so many people buy into their propaganda.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050307/D88M93H81.html

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Responding to Sgrena's statement that the car may have been deliberately targeted, McClellan said. "It's absurd to make any such suggestion, that our men and women in uniform would deliberately target innocent civilians.

I love it.

She's not saying that your "men and women in uniform would deliberately target innocent civilians", she's saying that they were ordered to kill her and that they followed orders. I love how these guys pin everything on the soldiers, so it makes the public feel bad for questioning them. Just like Rummy's rhetorical questions to himself, they make you feel like an ass for having doubted them.

I'd love to have a couple of their guys on my staff, imagine how well they could sell porn.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 04:58 PM

let go, the election is over

sonofsam · 03-07-2005, 04:58 PM

dude.... whitehouse is always right.... geeze.... don't you watch fox news?

</sarcasm>

sonofsam · 03-07-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

let go, the election is over

thats the spirit.... just give up your worrying about the world until next election........

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

thats the spirit.... just give up your worrying about the world until next election........

not worried about the world, jsut worried about lieing democrats ruining my country.

I'm not worried anymore.

This kind of shit helps. The more idiotic the democrats are, the less likely they will ever be taken seriously. I was bumping the thread.

bump

Sassy Girl · 03-07-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

let go, the election is over

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

let go, the election is over

You just don't get it, do you? I'm not a "liberal democrat". I'm not a fan of the democratic party. The world isn't black and white, you don't just pick a side and then cheer for it once every 4 years. Please, until you grow up a little, just stay out of my threads.

We don't need you telling Rickholio how successful businesspeople vote again.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

You just don't get it, do you? I'm not a "liberal democrat". I'm not a fan of the democratic party. The world isn't black and white, you don't just pick a side and then cheer for it once every 4 years. Please, until you grow up a little, just stay out of my threads.

We don't need you telling Rickholio how successful businesspeople vote again.

what an idiot

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

what an idiot

Excellent point.

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Originally Posted by Rich

Please, until you grow up a little, just stay out of my threads.

BRISK · 03-07-2005, 05:13 PM

Rich, do you ever do anything but bash Bush on GFY?

I don't like Bush much either, but you're seriously obsessed with bashing Bush.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Man these guys are smart, no wonder so many people buy into their propaganda.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050307/D88M93H81.html

I love it.

She's not saying that your "men and women in uniform would deliberately target innocent civilians", she's saying that they were ordered to kill her and that they followed orders. I love how these guys pin everything on the soldiers, so it makes the public feel bad for questioning them. Just like Rummy's rhetorical questions to himself, they make you feel like an ass for having doubted them.

I'd love to have a couple of their guys on my staff, imagine how well they could sell porn.

bump for idiot who believes that the small business association votes for the party with larger goverment and more tax regulations.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Rich, do you ever do anything but bash Bush on GFY?

I don't like Bush much either, but you're seriously obsessed with bashing Bush.

The democrat party sends them emails to post these threads on message boards.

Every notice that they all start doing it at the same time.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRISK

Rich, do you ever do anything but bash Bush on GFY?

I don't like Bush much either, but you're seriously obsessed with bashing Bush.

I'm just making a very good point from something I was reading today, I'm sorry if you don't see it or agree worth it. I was hoping to hear the opinions of a few other people on the use of this type of deceptive language. This is not about "bashing Bush", in fact I'm praising their PR/propaganda, I believe it's probably some of the best in history.

I didn't want this to turn into a thread of "Bush bashers" arguing with Bush supporters, that's why I asked FunforOne to leave. I'm hoping to have a conversation with people who already understand what I'm talking about.

cambaby · 03-07-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

The democrat party sends them emails to post these threads on message boards.

Every notice that they all start doing it at the same time.

lol yeah I did notice a similiar thread on another board, non adult board but it is kinda funny how they all start whining at the same time

WarChild · 03-07-2005, 05:23 PM

How do Marines try to kill somebody shooting at a car, but only kill one person, and not the intended "target". After discovering they've failed to kill her then they just decide to give up, and let her leave the country. It doesn't make any sense.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

lol yeah I did notice a similiar thread on another board, non adult board but it is kinda funny how they all start whining at the same time

I've seen the emails and stuff.

It's not from the official democrat party, its one of those moveon or democrcat underground type deals.

they all get their marching orders at the same time.

they all post hte same stories at the same time and then tell you that you are blindly falling in line behind the white house.

bottom line for me,

as an adult webmaster, the agenda of the democatic party is far worse than anything that the republicans can accomplish.

Some may have lifestyle issues, thats there fight.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

The democrat party sends them emails to post these threads on message boards.

Every notice that they all start doing it at the same time.

Oh dear God.

I realize this is what Republicans and I'm sure Democrats do, but I can assure you that I'm not on any mailing lists, and I'm not involved with the Democratic party, nor do I support them. I realize that is hard for you to grasp.

I was reading this article, and I noticed this myself and figured I'd try to start a conversation about it. It's called thinking for yourself, and I'd like to discuss it with other people who think for themselves so I can hear their ideas, if you'd please stop trying to turn this into a childish thread of people calling eachother idiots for believing in different things. This is not about me trying to convince people the Bush administration is bad, I don't care what you believe.

Seriously man, you have to stop thinking of politics as a game of two sides.

BRISK · 03-07-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I'm just making a very good point from something I was reading today, I'm sorry if you don't see it or agree worth it. I was hoping to hear the opinions of a few other people on the use of this type of deceptive language. This is not about "bashing Bush", in fact I'm praising their PR/propaganda, I believe it's probably some of the best in history.

I didn't want this to turn into a thread of "Bush bashers" arguing with Bush supporters, that's why I asked FunforOne to leave. I'm hoping to have a conversation with people who already understand what I'm talking about.

Looks like you're the one "spinning" now

This is a Bush/White House/Republican bashing thread and you know it.

cambaby · 03-07-2005, 05:28 PM

lol sure Rich... btw nice sig commie hahahaha just go sell some fuckign porn and keep the politics off GFY ok?

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

lol yeah I did notice a similiar thread on another board, non adult board but it is kinda funny how they all start whining at the same time

Post the link, liar. I would love to see another thread from today discussing the use of this deceptive language to pin the responsibility on the troops.

hmm, maybe if you're not lying there will be some adults over there I can talk to.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

1) Man these guys are smart, no wonder so many people buy into their propaganda.

2) she's saying that they were ordered to kill her and that they followed orders.

3) I love how these guys pin everything on the soldiers, so it makes the public feel bad for questioning them.

4) Just like Rummy's rhetorical questions to himself, they make you feel like an ass for having doubted them.

5) I'd love to have a couple of their guys on my staff, imagine how well they could sell porn.

You should have left out these 5 statments if you wanted a discussion without your horrible misguided bias as the theme of the post.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Looks like you're the one "spinning" now

This is a Bush/White House/Republican bashing thread and you know it.

You can't talk about things negative to the government without it being Bush bashing... got it.

Trying to start a conversation about something you find interesting with other like minded people is Bush bashing.

As I said, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm trying to talk to other people who may find this interesting. Thanks for turning this into another stupid arguing thread.

This board has gone way downhill since all the underage surfers started showing up.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

You should have left out these 5 statments if you wanted a discussion without your horrible misguided bias as the theme of the post.

Points 2, 3 and 4 were my topic of conversation. I'm not saying I was trying to be "unbiased", I'm trying to start a conversation with people who already realize that what the White House says is propaganda. There used to be many of them around here until a bunch of kids started boring them into leaving with their "crossfire" bullshit arguing.

Once again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything or argue with you. If you don't like what I'm saying, don't cry about it, just don't read my threads. I seriously doubt I've ever gone to one of your threads and tried to argue with you. Come to think of it, you really need to get off my cock already.

BRISK · 03-07-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

You can't talk about things negative to the government without it being Bush bashing... got it.

Rich, as I said before, you're a confirmed Bush basher, that's all you do on GFY. I'm not even sure if you work in this industry because the only posts I see of yours are whenever there is a chance to bash Bush, Republicans, or America in general.

This is a Bush/White House/Republican bashing thread, and now you are the one trying to use spin to pretend that it isn't.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Points 2, 3 and 4 were my topic of conversation. I'm not saying I was trying to be "unbiased", I'm trying to start a conversation with people who already realize that what the White House says is propaganda. There used to be many of them around here until a bunch of kids started boring them into leaving with their "crossfire" bullshit arguing.

Once again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything or argue with you. If you don't like what I'm saying, don't cry about it, just don't read my threads. I seriously doubt I've ever gone to one of your threads and tried to argue with you. Come to think of it, you really need to get off my cock already.

Your just crying because no one will let you get away with your bullshit threads anymore. You seem to be happy with discussion as long as nobody is calling on the bullshit propoganda that you and your buddies rush to post.

The election is over. I'm just having fun make you look like an idiot for trying to sway votes on a webmaster forum with bullshit facts.

As far as calling me a kid, I have no idea how old or educated you are. I am in my 30's. I have a masters degree.

Rochard · 03-07-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

How do Marines try to kill somebody shooting at a car, but only kill one person, and not the intended "target". After discovering they've failed to kill her then they just decide to give up, and let her leave the country. It doesn't make any sense.

If the Marines wanted her dead, she'd be dead. And everyone else in that car. Make no mistke about that.

The Marines attempted to disable the car. And they did. By doing so, the also shot and killed someone else.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

lol sure Rich... btw nice sig commie hahahaha just go sell some fuckign porn and keep the politics off GFY ok?

Hey, I have an idea... don't read political threads if you don't like them. There's a very simple way you can accomplish this, and I'll be nice enough to share it with you. When you see a political thread, don't click on it. I'm not a fan of several other types of non business threads that occur around here regularly, but I can relive myself from reading them and complaining about it by using the strategy I laid out for you earlier.

BRISK · 03-07-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

This board has gone way downhill since all the underage surfers started showing up.

A classic line to use when all else fails and you want to discredit others. Blame the "underage surfers"

12clicks · 03-07-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Man these guys are smart, no wonder so many people buy into their propaganda.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050307/D88M93H81.html

I love it.

She's not saying that your "men and women in uniform would deliberately target innocent civilians", she's saying that they were ordered to kill her and that they followed orders. I love how these guys pin everything on the soldiers, so it makes the public feel bad for questioning them. Just like Rummy's rhetorical questions to himself, they make you feel like an ass for having doubted them.

I'd love to have a couple of their guys on my staff, imagine how well they could sell porn.

can canadians all be this stupid?

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRISK

Rich, as I said before, you're a confirmed Bush basher, that's all you do on GFY. I'm not even sure if you work in this industry because the only posts I see of yours are whenever there is a chance to bash Bush, Republicans, or America in general.

This is a Bush/White House/Republican bashing thread, and now you are the one trying to use spin to pretend that it isn't.

I've posted in hundreds of business threads, and I do business with several people for this board. I've offered advice to people that has been taken and used with successful results on several occasions. Yes I post in political threads, and I certainly do not support George Bush so that makes me a "confirmed Bush basher", but don't ever question my business qualifications again unless you're ready to compare bank statements.

cambaby · 03-07-2005, 05:47 PM

Rich, first you lost the election, second you got threadjacked, third you got owned, in classic GFY fashion I suggest instead of letting all of us fuck your ass why don't you just go fuck yourself.

Oh and really I don't give a fuck what you say I am just trying to bump my post count bitch because in the end we all know that's all that matters.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRISK

A classic line to use when all else fails and you want to discredit others. Blame the "underage surfers"

If its one thing you can always count on, its the staunch liberals reminding you how stupid you are. It usually happens at the exact moment when they lose a discussion.

The day after the presidential election, every democrat with a microphone told me I was just to stupid to understand John Kerry.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:51 PM

lol, yeah you guys are right, I didn't have a good point at all.

The journalist says the US government intentionally wanted to kill her and other journalists.

The press secretary spins it to sound like the woman was blaming the troops.

I'm just pointing out that fact, it's quite interesting if you guys could see past your bias and think about it. I'm not saying the US government did try to kill her, I have no way of knowing that and if that were true I find it hard to believe she would have survived, with no other witnesses. My point is about the comment, even you die hard republicans who keep calling me a democrat, can't you see how the use of the language is designed to pin the responsibly on the soldiers? Therefor anyone who's considering giving credibility to the reporter's comments also has to blame the troops? It's a fairly interesting point no matter which side you're on, I wish you guys could stop calling me stupid, a bush basher, or a democrat, and discuss this.

12clicks · 03-07-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I do business with several people for this board.

name one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

I've offered advice to people that has been taken and used with successful results on several occasions.

name one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Yes I post in political threads, and I certainly do not support George Bush so that makes me a "confirmed Bush basher", but don't ever question my business qualifications again unless you're ready to compare bank statements.

ahahahahahaha.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby

Rich, first you lost the election, second you got threadjacked, third you got owned, in classic GFY fashion I suggest instead of letting all of us fuck your ass why don't you just go fuck yourself.

Oh and really I don't give a fuck what you say I am just trying to bump my post count bitch because in the end we all know that's all that matters.

Damn it, I didn't realize I was in an election. If I would have known I would have spent more time campaigning.

CognitiveDissonance · 03-07-2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

The democrat party sends them emails to post these threads on message boards.

Every notice that they all start doing it at the same time.

Ever notice the Republican tendency to attack the messenger so as to divert attention from the message?

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

How do Marines try to kill somebody shooting at a car, but only kill one person, and not the intended "target". After discovering they've failed to kill her then they just decide to give up, and let her leave the country. It doesn't make any sense.

I tend to agree with this, I don't really think they were trying to kill her.

12clicks · 03-07-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

The journalist says the US government intentionally wanted to kill her and other journalists.

yeah, she was a hostage, then she was in a car, then shot at, then taken to a US hospital, patched up and sent home.

she had all the proof she needed to back up her claim and trash like yourself jump right in.

what proof did she offer again?

I'll wait while you spin.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

I tend to agree with this, I don't really think they were trying to kill her.

I should say, they could have been, but so far with the information I've heard it sounds unlikely.

BRISK · 03-07-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

don't ever question my business qualifications again unless you're ready to compare bank statements.

What does comparing bank statements have to do with wondering if you work in this industry?

Do only people who work in the adult industry have bank statements?

My grandfather doesn't work in this industry, but I'm fairly sure he has bank statements.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yeah, she was a hostage, then she was in a car, then shot at, then taken to a US hospital, patched up and sent home.

she had all the proof she needed to back up her claim and trash like yourself jump right in.

what proof did she offer again?

I'll wait while you spin.

I'm not saying they did try to kill her, as I've said there is no proof so I don't know. I would assume if they wanted her dead, she'd be dead. I'm trying to talk about the brilliant way the White House spun that question. It's a great example of their overall use of deceptive language and rhetorical devices to make people almost unable to question them. They're much, much smarter than most people realize.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-07-2005, 06:00 PM

Makes perfect sense to have her assassinated.

Once she returned to Rome terrorist got paid millions to refinance themselves some.
Or got paid ahead of time, but essentially they got funds to buy more bombs.

WHo knows.
THis war is not only expensive, its boring.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Makes perfect sense to have her assassinated.

Once she returned to Rome terrorist got paid millions to refinance themselves some.
Or got paid ahead of time, but essentially they got funds to buy more bombs.

WHo knows.
THis war is not only expensive, its boring.

Yea, now the terrorists will realize that can get more money by kidnapping more people.

As it turns out, the info she had that she claims american's didn't want her to get out with is the fact that ransom was paid for her.

Could be why they didn't inform the complete chain of command about how she would be leaving the kidnappers.

Having known that, killing her wouldn't change anything. There is no motive unless they would have killed her while she was still kidnapped.

bhutocracy · 03-07-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Rich, first you lost the election, second you got threadjacked, third you got owned, in classic GFY fashion I suggest instead of letting all of us fuck your ass why don't you just go fuck yourself.

Oh and really I don't give a fuck what you say I am just trying to bump my post count bitch because in the end we all know that's all that matters.

I don't see any ownage just some noobs running their mouths and 12 clicks.

Rich · 03-07-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

I don't see any ownage just some noobs running their mouths and 12 clicks.

Agreed, FunforOne and this Willy Workshop guy have started hanging off 12dicks and Pathfinder, throwing a bunch of insults around, and saying that they've "owned" me. It's getting a little old and it completely kills threads that could have otherwise resulted in interesting discussions, like this one. The rational people leave and in the mind of these guys they've somehow "won" a discussion.

cambaby · 03-07-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

I don't see any ownage just some noobs running their mouths and 12 clicks.

You are pretty stupid to alienate potential affiliates by calling people noobs. You won't be getting my traffic thats for sure.

bhutocracy · 03-07-2005, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich

Agreed, FunforOne and this Willy Workshop guy have started hanging off 12dicks and Pathfinder, throwing a bunch of insults around, and saying that they've "owned" me. It's getting a little old and it completely kills threads that could have otherwise resulted in interesting discussions, like this one. The rational people leave and in the mind of these guys they've somehow "won" a discussion.

I actually feel embarrassed for this cam guy.

There is enough 12 clicks to go around, he doesn't need lame post whore hangers on

bhutocracy · 03-07-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

You are pretty stupid to alienate potential affiliates by calling people noobs. You won't be getting my traffic thats for sure.

LOL, dude I couldn't give a shit about the one sale a year i'd make off you.
I don't want your traffic. I'll save bandwidth.
Run along and boost your post count.

I haven't been on GFY for a year and my biz has grown exponentially. I really won't miss you.
oxox kisses.

nico-t · 03-07-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Rich, do you ever do anything but bash Bush on GFY?

I don't like Bush much either, but you're seriously obsessed with bashing Bush.

bush cant be bashed enough

cambaby · 03-07-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

LOL, dude I couldn't give a shit about the one sale a year i'd make off you.
I don't want your traffic. I'll save bandwidth.
Run along and boost your post count.

Yeah not like your sites are making any sales anyways

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03-07-2005, 04:58 PM	#2
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03-07-2005, 05:28 PM	#19
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	lol sure Rich... btw nice sig commie hahahaha just go sell some fuckign porn and keep the politics off GFY ok?

03-07-2005, 05:47 PM	#31
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Rich, first you lost the election, second you got threadjacked, third you got owned, in classic GFY fashion I suggest instead of letting all of us fuck your ass why don't you just go fuck yourself. Oh and really I don't give a fuck what you say I am just trying to bump my post count bitch because in the end we all know that's all that matters.

03-07-2005, 05:51 PM	#33
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	lol, yeah you guys are right, I didn't have a good point at all. The journalist says the US government intentionally wanted to kill her and other journalists. The press secretary spins it to sound like the woman was blaming the troops. I'm just pointing out that fact, it's quite interesting if you guys could see past your bias and think about it. I'm not saying the US government did try to kill her, I have no way of knowing that and if that were true I find it hard to believe she would have survived, with no other witnesses. My point is about the comment, even you die hard republicans who keep calling me a democrat, can't you see how the use of the language is designed to pin the responsibly on the soldiers? Therefor anyone who's considering giving credibility to the reporter's comments also has to blame the troops? It's a fairly interesting point no matter which side you're on, I wish you guys could stop calling me stupid, a bush basher, or a democrat, and discuss this.