Can the Church Or Mormon Stop Me From Linking To Thier Site? - GoFuckYourself.com

MyNameIsEmily · 02-26-2005, 08:08 PM

The Church of Mormon has a links section, open to anyone:

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"Below is the button you MUST use to link back to the site. Before I validate your account I will go to the front page of your site and if I don't see it with your link I won't validate your account. You can also use text links, but the button must be on your site as well. We check your site hourly to make sure it is there."

Well, they threatened my host yesterday and now my host is treatening me:

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remove any and all links to 'The Church of Mormon' and 'Church of mormon.com'

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The hosted site in question does not, not has ever had, persmission to use the following images or trademarks ANYWHERE or for ANY reason: Church of Mormon, The; Church of Mormon; www.chrurchofmormon.com.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...hurch/logo.gif [created/owned by Church of Mormon.]

Ok, so they renegged on the written agreement for me to use the button. I guess they might be able to file DMCA on that, but ins't that descrimination?

And what about the text links? Surely, they can't bully me into removing those- I can link up to anyone I want, can't I?

NoComments · 02-26-2005, 08:13 PM

you can't link to
http://winetalk.com

but you can link to
http://talkwine.com

if you ask a written permission,
you can link to
http://talkdali.com
(should be approved by Dali himself)

warlock5 · 02-26-2005, 08:14 PM

I wouldn't be too concerned, if you are, just don't hyperlink it. I recall a lawsuit against 2600 to remove links to DeCSS back in 1999 or 2000. The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.

dasexi1 · 02-26-2005, 08:14 PM

why would you want to link to the Mormon's site?

After Shock Media · 02-26-2005, 08:15 PM

Did you not just post a thread about preventing people from linking to you earlier today?
Also why in the hell do you want to link to the mormon church?

pussyluver · 02-26-2005, 08:18 PM

maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control. I suppose they could attempt to make a legal issue of it, but don't think it would get anywhere? Not an attorney so just a lay opinion. Their attention to you would bring attention from the government, so you'd have to be squeakie clean...

The Apprentice · 02-26-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver

maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control.

Is it legally?

Mr Pheer · 02-26-2005, 08:27 PM

Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

ssp · 02-26-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPheer

Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

read this and buy a clue

broke · 02-26-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by warlock5

The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.

Obviously -- because a 'text link' is not a hyperlink...

TheMob · 02-26-2005, 08:33 PM

What's your site? That's pathetic.

MyNameIsEmily · 02-26-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPheer

Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

Excuse me?
I'll be however I want, thank you.

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

After Shock Media · 02-26-2005, 08:40 PM

What the hell are you linking from anyways?
You did just give the Mormon church a link off of GFY so whats yours?

psyko514 · 02-26-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Excuse me?
I'll be however I want, thank you.

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

you sniff glue, don't you?

pussyluver · 02-26-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Excuse me?
I'll be however I want, thank you.

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

The right thing to do is pull the links.

Legally, I don't think they can stop you. Drudge links to sites all the time that would prefer he didn't I suspect. He can swamp a server for sure. Since I'm not an attorney versed in that area of the law, MY opinion doesn't mean much. You could prolly get two answers from two different attoneys too.

You have no control who links to your site directly. I don't know what context you are linking to them in? If you are reporting a point of view or information they have, I believe that is all free speach as long as you site them or link to their index page etc.. If you are hot linking and using their art without permission, that is another issue. I think the context of your usage is paramont to the question.

pussyluver · 02-26-2005, 08:54 PM

If you are serious about getting the right answer, this is the wrong place. Hire an attorney review exactly what you are doing and get a written opinion from him or her. That way you have someone to sue when you get sued.

pornguy · 02-26-2005, 08:58 PM

If that site is a church site, I would stay the hell away from it. If you are running a mainstream site, then give it a try.

but Adult+Church= more heat than you need.

Monique Niccole · 02-26-2005, 08:59 PM

Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.

Spunky · 02-26-2005, 09:00 PM

Do the right thing and drop it

pussyluver · 02-26-2005, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winetalk

you can't link to
http://winetalk.com

but you can link to
http://talkwine.com

if you ask a written permission,
you can link to
http://talkdali.com
(should be approved by Dali himself)

As long has you haven't set a block in place I can link to any of them. But here's the deal. I'll want to charge you for the traffic. Something in me says, go for the drama. But not worth the hassle, so I won't. So we'll let some other fool fuck with ya.

pussyluver · 02-26-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

If that site is a church site, I would stay the hell away from it. If you are running a mainstream site, then give it a try.

but Adult+Church= more heat than you need.

Adult + church gives all of us a head ache. I don't link to church sites, so why do those bible thumbin fools keep ringing the door bell so early on Saturday morning? They hand me religious brochures, maybe I should hand them porn... Oh yeah, they'd call the police and who knows what would happen.

Relish XXX · 02-26-2005, 09:12 PM

I think it is nasty to add your link to a church site. Just the thing the adult industry doesnt need.

Bobbi Doll · 02-26-2005, 09:13 PM

There isn't even a churchofmormon.com. I just went there and it said "Page cannot be displayed".

junction · 02-26-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature.

Then maybe you should ask your fucking attorney....you think?

MyNameIsEmily · 02-26-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrekete

Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.

Can you shut up with that?

I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

OG LennyT · 02-26-2005, 11:04 PM

Dont link to the Mormons.. fanatic cult they are and heat you will receive

(I think this was mentioned already but fuck it)

POed-poster · 02-26-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Can you shut up with that?

I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

You need to provide more info. Why do you have a link to their site? What is the purpose? Are you linking to them FROM a porn site? Are you linking to their site just to piss them off? What do you hope to gain by ignoring their request to take the link down?

I can't see how this can make you any money and they could put a real hurting on you if they wanted to (e.g., pressure a local DA to file obscenity charges against you). Adult webmasters have enough battles to fight with the extreme right. It's not in our best interest to 'create' new ones.

MyNameIsEmily · 02-26-2005, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by POed-poster

You need to provide more info. Why do you have a link to their site? What is the purpose? Are you linking to them FROM a porn site? Are you linking to their site just to piss them off? What do you hope to gain by ignoring their request to take the link down?

I can't see how this can make you any money and they could put a real hurting on you if they wanted to (e.g., pressure a local DA to file obscenity charges against you). Adult webmasters have enough battles to fight with the extreme right. It's not in our best interest to 'create' new ones.

I don't see what the purpose has to do with anything. And if I tell you, it will most definitely will sway you.

But no, I'm not linking to them to piss them off.
Yes, the information I have on them pisses them off. I am the ANTI-CHURCH OF MORMON.

And Basically,
they're just LOOKING for holes in my system to shut me down. And when they find them they write my host, threatening to contact his bandwidth provider...
The shit get's old. Is there no FREEDOM OF THE PRESS?

rezdesign · 02-26-2005, 11:37 PM

hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day..

church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..?

anyone know more about it?

MyNameIsEmily · 02-26-2005, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign

hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day..

church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..?

anyone know more about it?

Yes, I know a shit load about it.

Anyone know more about the legalities of posting links?

rezdesign · 02-26-2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Yes, I know a shit load about it.

Anyone know more about the legalities of posting links?

just did a quick google search, check this out:

http://forum.freeadvice.com/archive/.../t-189880.html

okamsrazor:
You do not need permission to post a link to someone elses site, as long as you make sure the link is understood to NOT be part of your site. A link is just a pointer to an HTML page, you can point wherever you want.

can you post more info about mormons now? or your site link?

MyNameIsEmily · 02-27-2005, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign

just did a quick google search, check this out:

http://forum.freeadvice.com/archive/.../t-189880.html

okamsrazor:
You do not need permission to post a link to someone elses site, as long as you make sure the link is understood to NOT be part of your site. A link is just a pointer to an HTML page, you can point wherever you want.

can you post more info about mormons now? or your site link?

I know nothing abøut mormons.

rezdesign · 02-27-2005, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Yes, I know a shit load about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

I know nothing abøut mormons.

The Apprentice · 02-27-2005, 01:34 AM

Hi.

You can link anything you want.

Bye.

MyNameIsEmily · 02-27-2005, 06:47 AM

bump fo my niggas just waking up.

KorayIsSexy · 02-27-2005, 07:11 AM

Yeah. Im going to go ahead and say you can text link to anyone you want. As long as you stop using that copyrighted image.

I'm going to search DMCA and free speech laws now. But I am pretty sure I wont find anything to the contrary.

KorayIsSexy · 02-27-2005, 07:25 AM

Im not double posting intentionally, I just.. cant edit my last post o_O

Anyways, after reviewing some court cases and laws I am going to say that it is almost definately legal. As long as you arent linking to a file, or image that they have copyrights or patents to. Also, you have to link to a "surface" page. IE: You have to link to the main page, not a page that is rooted in the site, for example, churchofmorons.com/afolder/anotherfolder/blah/thisisapage.html.

Apparently many court cases have dismissed the charges as unconstitutional under the first ammendment. And I asked a few lawyer friends, they all say that you can link to any page you want as long as you follow those guidelines I listed above. Adding a disclaimer denying affiliation with the site in question couldnt hurt either.

For more reading..
http://www.patentperfect.com/idea.htm

Manansala · 02-27-2005, 08:17 AM

Please be careful Emily. Unsolicited linking begets danger to your backyard. Many people doesn't know it but lots of .coms died coz of legal issues.

Manowar · 02-27-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPheer

Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

Werd up.

Monique Niccole · 02-27-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily

Can you shut up with that?

I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

If you don't want general opinions, then lay out the cash to go to a fucking lawyer and stop asking on GFY.

Keep the link up. I hope a pack of rabid Mormons comes to your house and ass-rapes you.

MyNameIsEmily · 02-27-2005, 08:46 AM

I'll remember that.

nofx · 02-27-2005, 08:53 AM

dont remove it

fuck religion

piss them off some more and burn down their churches

MyNameIsEmily · 02-27-2005, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofx

dont remove it

fuck religion

piss them off some more and burn down their churches

Fuck yea!

Hunters dead, but gonzo lives!

02-26-2005, 08:13 PM	#2
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02-26-2005, 08:27 PM	#8
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02-26-2005, 08:14 PM	#3
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	I wouldn't be too concerned, if you are, just don't hyperlink it. I recall a lawsuit against 2600 to remove links to DeCSS back in 1999 or 2000. The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.

02-26-2005, 08:14 PM	#4
dasexi1 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: if i told you, then THEY'D know Posts: 934	why would you want to link to the Mormon's site?

02-26-2005, 08:15 PM	#5
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Did you not just post a thread about preventing people from linking to you earlier today? Also why in the hell do you want to link to the mormon church?

02-26-2005, 08:18 PM	#6
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control. I suppose they could attempt to make a legal issue of it, but don't think it would get anywhere? Not an attorney so just a lay opinion. Their attention to you would bring attention from the government, so you'd have to be squeakie clean...

02-26-2005, 08:33 PM	#11
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	What's your site? That's pathetic.

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After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	What the hell are you linking from anyways? You did just give the Mormon church a link off of GFY so whats yours?

02-26-2005, 08:54 PM	#16
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	If you are serious about getting the right answer, this is the wrong place. Hire an attorney review exactly what you are doing and get a written opinion from him or her. That way you have someone to sue when you get sued.

02-26-2005, 08:59 PM	#18
Monique Niccole Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 5,653	Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.

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rezdesign Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,502	hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day.. church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..? anyone know more about it? __________________ Professional Web Design and Programming: xDesignStudio.com

02-27-2005, 01:34 AM	#34
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02-27-2005, 07:11 AM	#36
KorayIsSexy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 146	Yeah. Im going to go ahead and say you can text link to anyone you want. As long as you stop using that copyrighted image. I'm going to search DMCA and free speech laws now. But I am pretty sure I wont find anything to the contrary.

02-27-2005, 07:25 AM	#37
KorayIsSexy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 146	Im not double posting intentionally, I just.. cant edit my last post o_O Anyways, after reviewing some court cases and laws I am going to say that it is almost definately legal. As long as you arent linking to a file, or image that they have copyrights or patents to. Also, you have to link to a "surface" page. IE: You have to link to the main page, not a page that is rooted in the site, for example, churchofmorons.com/afolder/anotherfolder/blah/thisisapage.html. Apparently many court cases have dismissed the charges as unconstitutional under the first ammendment. And I asked a few lawyer friends, they all say that you can link to any page you want as long as you follow those guidelines I listed above. Adding a disclaimer denying affiliation with the site in question couldnt hurt either. For more reading.. http://www.patentperfect.com/idea.htm

02-27-2005, 08:17 AM	#38
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