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MyNameIsEmily 02-26-2005 08:08 PM

Can the Church Or Mormon Stop Me From Linking To Thier Site?
 
The Church of Mormon has a links section, open to anyone:

Quote:

"Below is the button you MUST use to link back to the site. Before I validate your account I will go to the front page of your site and if I don't see it with your link I won't validate your account. You can also use text links, but the button must be on your site as well. We check your site hourly to make sure it is there."
Well, they threatened my host yesterday and now my host is treatening me:

Quote:

remove any and all links to 'The Church of Mormon' and 'Church of mormon.com'
Quote:

The hosted site in question does not, not has ever had, persmission to use the following images or trademarks ANYWHERE or for ANY reason: Church of Mormon, The; Church of Mormon; www.chrurchofmormon.com.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...hurch/logo.gif [created/owned by Church of Mormon.]
Ok, so they renegged on the written agreement for me to use the button. I guess they might be able to file DMCA on that, but ins't that descrimination?

And what about the text links? Surely, they can't bully me into removing those- I can link up to anyone I want, can't I?

NoComments 02-26-2005 08:13 PM

you can't link to
http://winetalk.com

but you can link to
http://talkwine.com

if you ask a written permission,
you can link to
http://talkdali.com
(should be approved by Dali himself)

warlock5 02-26-2005 08:14 PM

I wouldn't be too concerned, if you are, just don't hyperlink it. I recall a lawsuit against 2600 to remove links to DeCSS back in 1999 or 2000. The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.

dasexi1 02-26-2005 08:14 PM

why would you want to link to the Mormon's site?

After Shock Media 02-26-2005 08:15 PM

Did you not just post a thread about preventing people from linking to you earlier today?
Also why in the hell do you want to link to the mormon church?

pussyluver 02-26-2005 08:18 PM

maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control. I suppose they could attempt to make a legal issue of it, but don't think it would get anywhere? Not an attorney so just a lay opinion. Their attention to you would bring attention from the government, so you'd have to be squeakie clean...

The Apprentice 02-26-2005 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver
maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control.

Is it legally?

Mr Pheer 02-26-2005 08:27 PM

Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

ssp 02-26-2005 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPheer
Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

read this and buy a clue

broke 02-26-2005 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warlock5
The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.

Obviously -- because a 'text link' is not a hyperlink...


:1orglaugh

TheMob 02-26-2005 08:33 PM

What's your site? That's pathetic.

MyNameIsEmily 02-26-2005 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPheer
Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.


Excuse me?
I'll be however I want, thank you.

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

After Shock Media 02-26-2005 08:40 PM

What the hell are you linking from anyways?
You did just give the Mormon church a link off of GFY so whats yours?

psyko514 02-26-2005 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
Excuse me?
I'll be however I want, thank you.

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

you sniff glue, don't you?

pussyluver 02-26-2005 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
Excuse me?
I'll be however I want, thank you.

what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

The right thing to do is pull the links.

Legally, I don't think they can stop you. Drudge links to sites all the time that would prefer he didn't I suspect. He can swamp a server for sure. Since I'm not an attorney versed in that area of the law, MY opinion doesn't mean much. You could prolly get two answers from two different attoneys too.

You have no control who links to your site directly. I don't know what context you are linking to them in? If you are reporting a point of view or information they have, I believe that is all free speach as long as you site them or link to their index page etc.. If you are hot linking and using their art without permission, that is another issue. I think the context of your usage is paramont to the question.

pussyluver 02-26-2005 08:54 PM

If you are serious about getting the right answer, this is the wrong place. Hire an attorney review exactly what you are doing and get a written opinion from him or her. That way you have someone to sue when you get sued.

pornguy 02-26-2005 08:58 PM

If that site is a church site, I would stay the hell away from it. If you are running a mainstream site, then give it a try.

but Adult+Church= more heat than you need.

Monique Niccole 02-26-2005 08:59 PM

Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.

Spunky 02-26-2005 09:00 PM

Do the right thing and drop it :2 cents:

pussyluver 02-26-2005 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winetalk
you can't link to
http://winetalk.com

but you can link to
http://talkwine.com

if you ask a written permission,
you can link to
http://talkdali.com
(should be approved by Dali himself)

As long has you haven't set a block in place I can link to any of them. But here's the deal. I'll want to charge you for the traffic. Something in me says, go for the drama. But not worth the hassle, so I won't. So we'll let some other fool fuck with ya.

pussyluver 02-26-2005 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
If that site is a church site, I would stay the hell away from it. If you are running a mainstream site, then give it a try.

but Adult+Church= more heat than you need.


Adult + church gives all of us a head ache. I don't link to church sites, so why do those bible thumbin fools keep ringing the door bell so early on Saturday morning? They hand me religious brochures, maybe I should hand them porn... Oh yeah, they'd call the police and who knows what would happen.

Relish XXX 02-26-2005 09:12 PM

I think it is nasty to add your link to a church site. Just the thing the adult industry doesnt need.

Bobbi Doll 02-26-2005 09:13 PM

There isn't even a churchofmormon.com. I just went there and it said "Page cannot be displayed".

junction 02-26-2005 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature.

Then maybe you should ask your fucking attorney....you think?

MyNameIsEmily 02-26-2005 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrekete
Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.


Can you shut up with that?

I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

OG LennyT 02-26-2005 11:04 PM

Dont link to the Mormons.. fanatic cult they are and heat you will receive

(I think this was mentioned already but fuck it)

POed-poster 02-26-2005 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
Can you shut up with that?

I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

You need to provide more info. Why do you have a link to their site? What is the purpose? Are you linking to them FROM a porn site? Are you linking to their site just to piss them off? What do you hope to gain by ignoring their request to take the link down?

I can't see how this can make you any money and they could put a real hurting on you if they wanted to (e.g., pressure a local DA to file obscenity charges against you). Adult webmasters have enough battles to fight with the extreme right. It's not in our best interest to 'create' new ones.

MyNameIsEmily 02-26-2005 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POed-poster
You need to provide more info. Why do you have a link to their site? What is the purpose? Are you linking to them FROM a porn site? Are you linking to their site just to piss them off? What do you hope to gain by ignoring their request to take the link down?

I can't see how this can make you any money and they could put a real hurting on you if they wanted to (e.g., pressure a local DA to file obscenity charges against you). Adult webmasters have enough battles to fight with the extreme right. It's not in our best interest to 'create' new ones.

I don't see what the purpose has to do with anything. And if I tell you, it will most definitely will sway you.

But no, I'm not linking to them to piss them off.
Yes, the information I have on them pisses them off. I am the ANTI-CHURCH OF MORMON.

And Basically,
they're just LOOKING for holes in my system to shut me down. And when they find them they write my host, threatening to contact his bandwidth provider...
The shit get's old. Is there no FREEDOM OF THE PRESS?

rezdesign 02-26-2005 11:37 PM

hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day.. :1orglaugh

church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..?

anyone know more about it?

MyNameIsEmily 02-26-2005 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign
hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day.. :1orglaugh

church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..?

anyone know more about it?

Yes, I know a shit load about it.

Anyone know more about the legalities of posting links?

rezdesign 02-26-2005 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
Yes, I know a shit load about it.

Anyone know more about the legalities of posting links?

just did a quick google search, check this out:

http://forum.freeadvice.com/archive/.../t-189880.html

okamsrazor:
You do not need permission to post a link to someone elses site, as long as you make sure the link is understood to NOT be part of your site. A link is just a pointer to an HTML page, you can point wherever you want.


can you post more info about mormons now? or your site link? :winkwink:

MyNameIsEmily 02-27-2005 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign
just did a quick google search, check this out:

http://forum.freeadvice.com/archive/.../t-189880.html

okamsrazor:
You do not need permission to post a link to someone elses site, as long as you make sure the link is understood to NOT be part of your site. A link is just a pointer to an HTML page, you can point wherever you want.


can you post more info about mormons now? or your site link? :winkwink:

I know nothing abøut mormons.

rezdesign 02-27-2005 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
Yes, I know a shit load about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
I know nothing abøut mormons.

:Oh crap

The Apprentice 02-27-2005 01:34 AM

Hi.

You can link anything you want.

Bye.

MyNameIsEmily 02-27-2005 06:47 AM

bump fo my niggas just waking up. :)

KorayIsSexy 02-27-2005 07:11 AM

Yeah. Im going to go ahead and say you can text link to anyone you want. As long as you stop using that copyrighted image.

I'm going to search DMCA and free speech laws now. But I am pretty sure I wont find anything to the contrary.

KorayIsSexy 02-27-2005 07:25 AM

Im not double posting intentionally, I just.. cant edit my last post o_O

Anyways, after reviewing some court cases and laws I am going to say that it is almost definately legal. As long as you arent linking to a file, or image that they have copyrights or patents to. Also, you have to link to a "surface" page. IE: You have to link to the main page, not a page that is rooted in the site, for example, churchofmorons.com/afolder/anotherfolder/blah/thisisapage.html.

Apparently many court cases have dismissed the charges as unconstitutional under the first ammendment. And I asked a few lawyer friends, they all say that you can link to any page you want as long as you follow those guidelines I listed above. Adding a disclaimer denying affiliation with the site in question couldnt hurt either.

For more reading..
http://www.patentperfect.com/idea.htm

Manansala 02-27-2005 08:17 AM

Please be careful Emily. Unsolicited linking begets danger to your backyard. Many people doesn't know it but lots of .coms died coz of legal issues.

Manowar 02-27-2005 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPheer
Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

Werd up. :upsidedow

Monique Niccole 02-27-2005 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsEmily
Can you shut up with that?

I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

If you don't want general opinions, then lay out the cash to go to a fucking lawyer and stop asking on GFY.

Keep the link up. I hope a pack of rabid Mormons comes to your house and ass-rapes you.

MyNameIsEmily 02-27-2005 08:46 AM

I'll remember that.

nofx 02-27-2005 08:53 AM

dont remove it

fuck religion

piss them off some more and burn down their churches

MyNameIsEmily 02-27-2005 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofx
dont remove it

fuck religion

piss them off some more and burn down their churches


Fuck yea!

Hunters dead, but gonzo lives!


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