Do you keep backups of your sites? - GoFuckYourself.com

L0stMind · 02-22-2005, 11:24 AM

If so, how do you do it? I'd be curious to know what format and what media you use as well... tar and dvd or a zip on your hard drive or?

Strife · 02-22-2005, 11:26 AM

I backup all my sites on dvd and also have them on my HD

Heather Hamptons · 02-22-2005, 11:26 AM

I download my entire site from my server (which takes a while) and then burn it to dvd. Cd's don't have enough space.

Adultnet · 02-22-2005, 11:27 AM

yes I do back up my sites using 2 servers,my pc (.rar format), hard drive, cds...

JFPdude · 02-22-2005, 11:28 AM

I keep zips on cd's at my wifes computer desk.

I keep tars on different servers than the server the sites on.

Project-Shadow · 02-22-2005, 11:30 AM

I have all my websites on my HD and back it up every now and then. Odd's of my server and HD both dying are pretty slim.

megatgpdotnet · 02-22-2005, 11:49 AM

I do backups every week.

mortenb · 02-22-2005, 11:54 AM

I do all my sites on my local development server and that run backups every night. Any online stuff is just copied from my dev server..

All my online db's run backup every hour/day (hour or day, depending on how important the data is) and e-mails the data to an account on my dev server..

zentz · 02-22-2005, 11:55 AM

i use daily remote backup

IceMaster · 02-22-2005, 12:03 PM

Yeah , i am hosting some users so i must backup all.

Babagirls · 02-22-2005, 12:04 PM

i back everything up on a weekly basis.

Manowar · 02-22-2005, 12:05 PM

Weekly backups.

PoKo · 02-22-2005, 12:06 PM

I think I will in the future... See result of not doing it in sig..
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tranza · 02-22-2005, 12:16 PM

I have them all on my HD and some in CDs...

L0stMind · 02-22-2005, 12:55 PM

Wow, seems either more people backup then I thought or....

Those who don't back up are neglecting to post

Hopefully, this poll raises awareness that backing up your data is important. Look at poor Roger above.

amaze · 02-22-2005, 01:06 PM

I have them on 3 HD and also on DVD´s

Dalai lama · 02-22-2005, 01:06 PM

yep weekly

Funbrunette · 02-22-2005, 01:16 PM

Yup

watching my ass...

Basic_man · 02-22-2005, 01:21 PM

I don't do it often enough

garce · 02-22-2005, 01:28 PM

I burn everything onto dvd weekly and keep mirrors of my sites on my hd. Just did a MySql backup last night.

WarChild · 02-22-2005, 01:29 PM

I let my kick ass number one host, Dweeks, handle all that crap.

Prof.Dr. Den · 02-22-2005, 02:17 PM

i backup them weekly with all databases

stev0 · 02-22-2005, 02:24 PM

of course

Miguel · 02-22-2005, 02:40 PM

We burn content to DVDs and back up to second server. Once our primary host had a problem with his datacenter and we were using back up server more than 24 hours. So if you're running a site with big number of visitors and members you'd better have solution on case of host problems.

borked · 02-22-2005, 03:18 PM

can't believe nobody mentioned redundant RAID drives?

Not a backup, granted, but a HD WILL die at some point - why risk putting your backup abilities to the test and all the pain, headaches and downtime until you can restore from backup?

Yes backup is essential, and offsite backup at that (not onto a second HD on the server...what if a tornado hit the DC?), but RAID1 is at the least the minimum in combo with daily offsite backups...

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L0stMind · 02-22-2005, 03:28 PM

Well, raid can definitely help, depending on the setup. However, it is a pricey alternative and most people on dedicated servers can't afford it. Backing up to your home pc or paying your hosting company $10-25 per month to do it is still cheaper then a proper raid setup.

Warchild - if I was in your shoes, I'd still have a local copy of my sites. I don't care how kickass a host is, shit happens. Airplanes flying into buildings and shit can really fuck up a backup plan

Not saying that having your host backup your shit is a bad idea... actually I'd say it's a pretty smart idea. Having a backup of your shit at the datacenter makes recovery a helluva lot faster then uploading from your home connection.

borked · 02-22-2005, 03:34 PM

beside the cost of the extra HD (say $10/mo for 80GB) a raid system should definately not cost no more than $10/mo and talking with your host you should easily get away with a $100 one-time fee to have RAID setup

(talking about basic RAID1 of course)

Angus McDanger · 02-22-2005, 03:42 PM

I do daily db backups onto another hd, but I should really be using something more permanent like dvds.

L0stMind · 02-22-2005, 03:44 PM

Wow. Must be software raid, something I wouldnt trust with my data

A decent raid setup, would involve a raid card and an extra drive. If your host sells you this for $10 per month, rest assured this card is garbage.

And raid1 doesnt make me sleep easy at night anyways

flashfire · 02-22-2005, 03:45 PM

whenever I make changes I make backups

MattO · 02-22-2005, 03:50 PM

Since I have physical access to my server, I plug a USB external hard drive to it and back the whole thing up.

latinasojourn · 02-22-2005, 04:02 PM

well, i am supposed to have weekly in-house backup for my dedicated boxes at webair.

the question is--has anyone using this service had a failure---and if so, how fast did you recover?

i'd be very interested in knowing.

borked · 02-22-2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L0stMind

Wow. Must be software raid, something I wouldnt trust with my data

A decent raid setup, would involve a raid card and an extra drive. If your host sells you this for $10 per month, rest assured this card is garbage.

And raid1 doesnt make me sleep easy at night anyways

Not at all = $10 for an ATA RAID board and $10 for the extra drive (I never said $10 for all). In fact I pay $10 for the extra drive (these are SATA drive BTW) and I paid a flat $100 fee for installation of the RIAD controller and configuration.

And why the heck wouldn't you sleep well at night with a RAID1 setup? My setup is RAID 1/0 which is as fast as a RAID5 setup. Would have been nicer with SCSI drives, but the server is doing just fine.

Really can't see why RAID1 would worry you.

borked · 02-22-2005, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L0stMind

If your host sells you this for $10 per month, rest assured this card is garbage.

Ehm, Quality RAID controllers aren't as expensive as you may think - industry leading cards (eg the Broadcom RAIDCore falmily) wholesale for $150-230

chaze · 02-23-2005, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

well, i am supposed to have weekly in-house backup for my dedicated boxes at webair.

the question is--has anyone using this service had a failure---and if so, how fast did you recover?

i'd be very interested in knowing.

If your on Cpanel then it only back ups 2 gigs per domain.

Maybe check on that.

We do weekly backups for all our clients but we recomend the user backs up as well. You never know what might happen.

I back up my sites through ftp onto my hard drive with every change and can have them back up as fast as my DSL can move the files.

borked · 02-23-2005, 12:33 AM

Another thing to chew on if we are talking about people with dedicated servers - backing up your data is one thing, but anyone backing up /etc or /usr ? A fried hard drive can be replaced and your data put back on from backup, but what about all those config files? Those custom software installations? All those patches? Are sure the version of gzip that is currently on your server HD is the same as the gzip that was present when the drive was setup? Maybe it got updated during the time you have been on the server? If so, your backups may not unzip properly...

It really is an absolute nightmare recovering from a fried harddrive and will take at least 48h of hard work getting a server back to its original configuration...
even if your server is fully managed, your server admin does not make custom images of your HD to restore the drive to its original state minus your data. It needs to be restored using the OS image then repatching then applying all the apache/php/mysql/etc configs then reinstalling any extra software that was there before you can re-apply your data. It's maybe not you that does it, but it takes time and all the while, your server is not live...

I'm not scaremonguering, just giving a heads-up. I would say that around a third of people think they are safe with their backups, but a backup is only good if it can be restored successfully - have you ever tried restoring your backup to make sure it's good?

lloyd · 02-23-2005, 12:41 AM

visual sourcesafe daily to another local machine i keep and rars that i upload offsite once a week.

venus · 02-23-2005, 12:47 AM

I have a raid array on my server and all my data is automatically mirrored to prevent data loss.

PbG · 02-23-2005, 01:50 PM

We backup all our sites to two(2) remote offsite servers, DVD/CD, and locally.

ShaneRyale · 02-23-2005, 01:54 PM

I backup twice a week. We use RAID 10 and also mirror our storage array to another array. With Terabytes of content it would take alot of DVD's to back that upto

AdultNex · 02-23-2005, 02:29 PM

What's the easiest way to backup all your information from your server?

lloyd · 02-23-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultNex

What's the easiest way to backup all your information from your server?

pay someone else too do it. your hosting company probably offers a service.

borked · 02-24-2005, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultNex

What's the easiest way to backup all your information from your server?

To be honest - all this DVD backup stuff is great, since it gives an archival copy, but it's not very practical. Perhaps once a month etc.

For safe daily incremental backups, there best option is to ackup to a remote server (or to 2nd HD on the same server at the very minimum) using rsync. If backing up remotely, don't forget to backup over SSL.

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Yes, daily	20	29.85%
Yes, weekly	18	26.87%
Yes, monthly	4	5.97%
Yea.... once in a while when I remember to do it....	17	25.37%
Nah, my hosting is secure, my shit is safe.	8	11.94%
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02-22-2005, 11:24 AM	#1
L0stMind Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancity Posts: 1,681	Do you keep backups of your sites? If so, how do you do it? I'd be curious to know what format and what media you use as well... tar and dvd or a zip on your hard drive or? __________________ http://cashcore.com - Make Money. http://ezprovider.net - Hosting.

02-22-2005, 11:26 AM	#2
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02-22-2005, 11:26 AM	#3
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02-22-2005, 11:28 AM	#5
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	I keep zips on cd's at my wifes computer desk. I keep tars on different servers than the server the sites on.

02-22-2005, 11:30 AM	#6
Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	I have all my websites on my HD and back it up every now and then. Odd's of my server and HD both dying are pretty slim.

02-22-2005, 11:49 AM	#7
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02-22-2005, 11:54 AM	#8
mortenb Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Denmark ICQ: 7880009 Posts: 2,203	I do all my sites on my local development server and that run backups every night. Any online stuff is just copied from my dev server.. All my online db's run backup every hour/day (hour or day, depending on how important the data is) and e-mails the data to an account on my dev server..

02-22-2005, 11:55 AM	#9
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02-22-2005, 12:03 PM	#10
IceMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,920	Yeah , i am hosting some users so i must backup all.

02-22-2005, 12:04 PM	#11
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	i back everything up on a weekly basis. __________________ Need a Text Writer? Blogs\|Reviews\|Descriptions\|Paysites\|TGP's\|Stories ICQ: 397892500

02-22-2005, 12:05 PM	#12
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Weekly backups.

02-22-2005, 12:06 PM	#13
PoKo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 486	I think I will in the future... See result of not doing it in sig.. Stupid fucking Hackers! If anyone here knows GrEEnHacker make sure he gets a slow and very very painful death while you say hello from me! __________________ Roger www.PornoKongen.com Sexual Amateurs PornLinks-United - Clean Hard Link Trade Domain

02-22-2005, 12:16 PM	#14
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I have them all on my HD and some in CDs... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

02-22-2005, 12:55 PM	#15
L0stMind Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancity Posts: 1,681	Wow, seems either more people backup then I thought or.... Those who don't back up are neglecting to post Hopefully, this poll raises awareness that backing up your data is important. Look at poor Roger above. __________________ http://cashcore.com - Make Money. http://ezprovider.net - Hosting.

02-22-2005, 01:06 PM	#16
amaze Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: next to you Posts: 816	I have them on 3 HD and also on DVD´s Last edited by amaze; 02-22-2005 at 01:07 PM..

02-22-2005, 01:06 PM	#17
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02-22-2005, 01:21 PM	#19
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02-22-2005, 01:28 PM	#20
garce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,103	I burn everything onto dvd weekly and keep mirrors of my sites on my hd. Just did a MySql backup last night.

02-22-2005, 01:29 PM	#21
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	I let my kick ass number one host, Dweeks, handle all that crap. __________________ .

02-22-2005, 02:17 PM	#22
Prof.Dr. Den Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .de Posts: 442	i backup them weekly with all databases

02-22-2005, 02:24 PM	#23
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	of course

02-22-2005, 02:40 PM	#24
Miguel Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Serious-Cash.com Posts: 2,978	We burn content to DVDs and back up to second server. Once our primary host had a problem with his datacenter and we were using back up server more than 24 hours. So if you're running a site with big number of visitors and members you'd better have solution on case of host problems. __________________ Serious Cash: 27 niche sites - step fantasy, teen, amateur, anal, hardcore, reality [Kinky Family] [Brutal X] [Fucking Glasses] [18 Videoz] [Teeny Lovers] [Sell Your Gf] [Dirty Flix] and others great sites...

02-22-2005, 03:18 PM	#25
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	can't believe nobody mentioned redundant RAID drives? Not a backup, granted, but a HD WILL die at some point - why risk putting your backup abilities to the test and all the pain, headaches and downtime until you can restore from backup? Yes backup is essential, and offsite backup at that (not onto a second HD on the server...what if a tornado hit the DC?), but RAID1 is at the least the minimum in combo with daily offsite backups... If anyone is interested in $1/GB remote backups to a tier 1 DC, hit me up on icq 283914791 __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

02-22-2005, 03:28 PM	#26
L0stMind Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancity Posts: 1,681	Well, raid can definitely help, depending on the setup. However, it is a pricey alternative and most people on dedicated servers can't afford it. Backing up to your home pc or paying your hosting company $10-25 per month to do it is still cheaper then a proper raid setup. Warchild - if I was in your shoes, I'd still have a local copy of my sites. I don't care how kickass a host is, shit happens. Airplanes flying into buildings and shit can really fuck up a backup plan Not saying that having your host backup your shit is a bad idea... actually I'd say it's a pretty smart idea. Having a backup of your shit at the datacenter makes recovery a helluva lot faster then uploading from your home connection. __________________ http://cashcore.com - Make Money. http://ezprovider.net - Hosting.

02-22-2005, 03:34 PM	#27
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	beside the cost of the extra HD (say $10/mo for 80GB) a raid system should definately not cost no more than $10/mo and talking with your host you should easily get away with a $100 one-time fee to have RAID setup (talking about basic RAID1 of course) __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

02-22-2005, 03:42 PM	#28
Angus McDanger Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8	I do daily db backups onto another hd, but I should really be using something more permanent like dvds.

02-22-2005, 03:44 PM	#29
L0stMind Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancity Posts: 1,681	Wow. Must be software raid, something I wouldnt trust with my data A decent raid setup, would involve a raid card and an extra drive. If your host sells you this for $10 per month, rest assured this card is garbage. And raid1 doesnt make me sleep easy at night anyways __________________ http://cashcore.com - Make Money. http://ezprovider.net - Hosting.

02-22-2005, 03:45 PM	#30
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	whenever I make changes I make backups

02-22-2005, 03:50 PM	#31
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	Since I have physical access to my server, I plug a USB external hard drive to it and back the whole thing up.

02-22-2005, 04:02 PM	#32
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	well, i am supposed to have weekly in-house backup for my dedicated boxes at webair. the question is--has anyone using this service had a failure---and if so, how fast did you recover? i'd be very interested in knowing.

02-23-2005, 12:33 AM	#36
borked Totally Borked Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,284	Another thing to chew on if we are talking about people with dedicated servers - backing up your data is one thing, but anyone backing up /etc or /usr ? A fried hard drive can be replaced and your data put back on from backup, but what about all those config files? Those custom software installations? All those patches? Are sure the version of gzip that is currently on your server HD is the same as the gzip that was present when the drive was setup? Maybe it got updated during the time you have been on the server? If so, your backups may not unzip properly... It really is an absolute nightmare recovering from a fried harddrive and will take at least 48h of hard work getting a server back to its original configuration... even if your server is fully managed, your server admin does not make custom images of your HD to restore the drive to its original state minus your data. It needs to be restored using the OS image then repatching then applying all the apache/php/mysql/etc configs then reinstalling any extra software that was there before you can re-apply your data. It's maybe not you that does it, but it takes time and all the while, your server is not live... I'm not scaremonguering, just giving a heads-up. I would say that around a third of people think they are safe with their backups, but a backup is only good if it can be restored successfully - have you ever tried restoring your backup to make sure it's good? __________________ For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com (consider figuring out the email as test #1) All models are wrong, but some are useful. George E.P. Box. p202

02-23-2005, 12:41 AM	#37
lloyd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: 858/604 Posts: 798	visual sourcesafe daily to another local machine i keep and rars that i upload offsite once a week.