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mardigras · 02-18-2005, 07:02 AM

Just watching the latest Republican shill mouthpiece that Fox News runs regularly in support of the Bush agenda and the anchor actually asked him a good question, one that I had wondered about. After the guy said said only a moron wouldn't support the president's plan she asked him if there was any sort of protection for folks if their investments in the proposed private retirement accounts went belly up and the guy responded that it is just a crazy part of freedom.

So there you go. 20 years from now when the new Enrons come rolling in, the govt will just tell you that you are crazy and are free to be

Harmon · 02-18-2005, 07:05 AM

Bush is such a fucking joke. I'd vote for fuckin Hillary before I'd vote for a dickface like him in the future

swedguy · 02-18-2005, 07:10 AM

Fox.... YeeHaa!

groark · 02-18-2005, 07:15 AM

When I fisited the US, FOX was so fun to watch. Gotta love the flag on the screen and always ACTION

Ohmy...

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 07:25 AM

http://www.iwpr.org/sscalc4/calculator.html

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 07:34 AM

you internet morons crack me up.
please choose from the chart below the date you started working (for those of you 20something idiots, use your parent's history instead) then please note the % of increase between then and now. during any 40yrs you choose, you'd be better off putting your SS money into the market than into the government.

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 07:35 AM

titmouse, I'm embarrassed for you.
do you know how that calculation is being made or do you just blindly bah when you see it?

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

titmouse, I'm embarrassed for you.
do you know how that calculation is being made or do you just blindly bah when you see it?

It's the second of these calculators I've tried. The one from the CATO Institute is down. That one has me losing about 1500.00 per year of MY FUCKING MONEY.

I suggest you read text on the lower half of the page where they detail how they get those figures.

ps: I'm not embarassed for you darling, don't be embarrassed for me.

Phoenix · 02-18-2005, 07:43 AM

you have the chance to write the FCC now about foxs reporting abilities.

GatorB · 02-18-2005, 07:45 AM

Anyone see the news the other day where Bush planted a reporter in his press conferences to ask him softball questions and it turns out this guy used to be a gay escort and run gay websites? OWNED!

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Anyone see the news the other day where Bush planted a reporter in his press conferences to ask him softball questions and it turns out this guy used to be a gay escort and run gay websites? OWNED!

You mean Jeff?

Now, that's embarassing!

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

Just watching the latest Republican shill mouthpiece that Fox News runs regularly in support of the Bush agenda and the anchor actually asked him a good question, one that I had wondered about. After the guy said said only a moron wouldn't support the president's plan she asked him if there was any sort of protection for folks if their investments in the proposed private retirement accounts went belly up and the guy responded that it is just a crazy part of freedom.

So there you go. 20 years from now when the new Enrons come rolling in, the govt will just tell you that you are crazy and are free to be

So, essentially, you are telling us that Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, and henny penny are more informed about economic futures than a guy named Alan Greenspan.

You might be right.

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

Just watching the latest Republican shill mouthpiece that Fox News runs regularly in support of the Bush agenda and the anchor actually asked him a good question, one that I had wondered about. After the guy said said only a moron wouldn't support the president's plan she asked him if there was any sort of protection for folks if their investments in the proposed private retirement accounts went belly up and the guy responded that it is just a crazy part of freedom.

So there you go. 20 years from now when the new Enrons come rolling in, the govt will just tell you that you are crazy and are free to be

I saw it the interview. What you failed to mention is that he was being sarcastic to piss off people like you. You didn't see the smile on his face.

Did you hear him also say that democrats can choose to put their money in savings accounts or under the matress and still benefit from the new plan.

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by titmowse

It's the second of these calculators I've tried. The one from the CATO Institute is down. That one has me losing about 1500.00 per year of MY FUCKING MONEY.

I suggest you read text on the lower half of the page where they detail how they get those figures.

ps: I'm not embarassed for you darling, don't be embarrassed for me.

smoke and mirrors darling.
pretending that using 4% of your fica for private investment will cause you to lose 1500.00 a year is buying into the liberal mantra of "we need more of your money"
here's an idea, instead of pretending the 4% of YOUR money you'll no longer be handing over to the government is going to cut your SS payments when you retire, how about we force the government to cut wasteful spending by 4% so fully funding SS and privatizing 4% is a wash?
difficult concept when you buy into the "we're not taxed enough" idea the liberals trot out.

Rinaldo · 02-18-2005, 08:30 AM

You can't control where your SS tax money goes

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

smoke and mirrors darling.
pretending that using 4% of your fica for private investment will cause you to lose 1500.00 a year is buying into the liberal mantra of "we need more of your money"
here's an idea, instead of pretending the 4% of YOUR money you'll no longer be handing over to the government is going to cut your SS payments when you retire, how about we force the government to cut wasteful spending by 4% so fully funding SS and privatizing 4% is a wash?
difficult concept when you buy into the "we're not taxed enough" idea the liberals trot out.

I think you uncovered the reason why the same people who were demanding SS reform in the 90's have now decided that SS is not a problem. It turns out they didn't want to reform it, they just wanted you and me to contribute more to the same plan. That way, It would be harder for me to reach the socially elite status they want to keep exclusive.

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

smoke and mirrors darling.
pretending that using 4% of your fica for private investment will cause you to lose 1500.00 a year is buying into the liberal mantra of "we need more of your money"
here's an idea, instead of pretending the 4% of YOUR money you'll no longer be handing over to the government is going to cut your SS payments when you retire, how about we force the government to cut wasteful spending by 4% so fully funding SS and privatizing 4% is a wash?
difficult concept when you buy into the "we're not taxed enough" idea the liberals trot out.

GatorB · 02-18-2005, 08:43 AM

Bush is a hypocrite. He talk about how it's MY money. But under his plan and I have VERY few choices for investments. And I can't take the money out early if there is an emergency. Also when I retire the government won't let me have the money in a lump sum THEY dertermine how much I get each year. So how is that ME knowing best what to do with MY money. Seems like same old dog, new trick in my book.

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Bush is a hypocrite. He talk about how it's MY money. But under his plan and I have VERY few choices for investments. And I can't take the money out early if there is an emergency. Also when I retire the government won't let me have the money in a lump sum THEY dertermine how much I get each year. So how is that ME knowing best what to do with MY money. Seems like same old dog, new trick in my book.

Are you comparing the proposed plan to the old plan?

As it stand now, I dont think you can take it out early, get it in a lump sum, or have many investment options.

If that is what you are looking for, then this proposed plan is for you out of the two options.

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by titmowse

so then you agree with me when shown the light.

$5 submissions · 02-18-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

how about we force the government to cut wasteful spending

This is key.

GatorB · 02-18-2005, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

Are you comparing the proposed plan to the old plan?

As it stand now, I dont think you can take it out early, get it in a lump sum, or have many investment options.

If that is what you are looking for, then this proposed plan is for you out of the two options.

If I had my way I dump the whole system. SS is nothing more than a big Ponzi scheme. My idea of reform would be first taking everyone under 26 out of the system and starting from there.

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

so then you agree with me when shown the light.

I agree there should be drastic cuts to government waste. I believe Vice President Gore tried to implement such a program and found himself stonewalled by the right side of the room.

Will you admit your boy George has spent way more than my boy Bill?

Mojiteaux · 02-18-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Anyone see the news the other day where Bush planted a reporter in his press conferences to ask him softball questions and it turns out this guy used to be a gay escort and run gay websites? OWNED!

Everything is fake in this government. The only thing they do is deceiving their own people. Very sad

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by titmowse

I agree there should be drastic cuts to government waste. I believe Vice President Gore tried to implement such a program and found himself stonewalled by the right side of the room.

Will you admit your boy George has spent way more than my boy Bill?

I think we see from the charts that Bill was neglecting the military a little bit in what would turn out to be a very crucial time.

From the day that a President is elected, he is workign getting elected to a second term. (both Parties) , traditionally, the wasteful spending in not cut as it should be in the first term.

Also, I think we are looking at this from two different sides.

1) you say that clinton didn't spend money
2) you say that the right kept gore from cutting spending.

Which one is it? Did the right cause extra spending or did they create more spending?

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 09:13 AM

I would just like to point out how great it is to have democrats now arguing to cut spending.

They have changed one of their core agendas to gain political footing.

Whats next, will Hillary run on a platform to kick gays out of the military completely?

I cant wait to see her campaign where she will go fishing and hunting in Louisiana and then stop off at a DAllas Cowboys game wearing a cowboy hat. This is going to be good.

I bet the democrats dont realize that Rush and Hannity can retire on the money they will make if she runs for president.

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by titmowse

I agree there should be drastic cuts to government waste. I believe Vice President Gore tried to implement such a program and found himself stonewalled by the right side of the room.

care to back that statement up with a link?

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Originally Posted by titmowse

Will you admit your boy George has spent way more than my boy Bill?

does that chart go back any further?

A big chunk of discretionary spending went to disaster relief and perscription drug/ medicaid spending.
did your billy boy spend on anything helpful like that?

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I think we see from the charts that Bill was neglecting the military a little bit in what would turn out to be a very crucial time.

From the day that a President is elected, he is workign getting elected to a second term. (both Parties) , traditionally, the wasteful spending in not cut as it should be in the first term.

Also, I think we are looking at this from two different sides.

1) you say that clinton didn't spend money
2) you say that the right kept gore from cutting spending.

Which one is it? Did the right cause extra spending or did they create more spending?

I said the Clinton spent less than Bush. As far as Clinton's military spending is concerned, I assume you mean that if he had spent more, 9/11 wouldn't have happened? While the Pentagon USED to have control over intelligence spending, I need you to explain to me how more bombs and tanks and missiles would have prevented 9/11.

1) I said Clinton spent less money that Bush has.

2) Gore's Initiative to Streamline Government was about cutting waste, not spending. There's a difference

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojiteaux

Everything is fake in this government. The only thing they do is deceiving their own people. Very sad

ahahahahaha, I hear the drive thru calling your name.

Phoenix · 02-18-2005, 09:28 AM

this is highly amusing

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

care to back that statement up with a link?

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/npr/l...es/030393.html

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

does that chart go back any further?

A big chunk of discretionary spending went to disaster relief and perscription drug/ medicaid spending.
did your billy boy spend on anything helpful like that?

I have to look for it. They had a chart going all the way back to Reagan and the bars go up for the Reagan and Bush Sr, then back down again during Clinton, then way up for Junior. I believe Jr has spent more than either his daddy or Ronnie.

Damn, I wish I had saved that chart. But for you my love, here's a link:

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by titmowse

I said the Clinton spent less than Bush. As far as Clinton's military spending is concerned, I assume you mean that if he had spent more, 9/11 wouldn't have happened? While the Pentagon USED to have control over intelligence spending, I need you to explain to me how more bombs and tanks and missiles would have prevented 9/11.

1) I said Clinton spent less money that Bush has.

2) Gore's Initiative to Streamline Government was about cutting waste, not spending. There's a difference

I wasn't saying that more tanks would have prevented 9/11. I am saying that I dont think our military was being prepared to fight the wars that had already been declared on us.

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I wasn't saying that more tanks would have prevented 9/11. I am saying that I dont think our military was being prepared to fight the wars that had already been declared on us.

and those wars would be...?

12clicks · 02-18-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by titmowse

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/npr/l...es/030393.html

this is a link to a speach clinton gave. it has ZERO to do with your statement of "I believe Vice President Gore tried to implement such a program and found himself stonewalled by the right side of the room"

Quote:

Originally Posted by titmowse

I have to look for it. They had a chart going all the way back to Reagan and the bars go up for the Reagan and Bush Sr, then back down again during Clinton, then way up for Junior. I believe Jr has spent more than either his daddy or Ronnie.

Damn, I wish I had saved that chart. But for you my love, here's a link:

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

also, clinton didn't cut the budget, Newt did.

FunForOne · 02-18-2005, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by titmowse

I said the Clinton spent less than Bush. As far as Clinton's military spending is concerned, I assume you mean that if he had spent more, 9/11 wouldn't have happened? While the Pentagon USED to have control over intelligence spending, I need you to explain to me how more bombs and tanks and missiles would have prevented 9/11.

1) I said Clinton spent less money that Bush has.

2) Gore's Initiative to Streamline Government was about cutting waste, not spending. There's a difference

Waste and spending are semantics.

I may consider waste, what you consider spending.

For example, one of the 15 labs being paid to study the growing habits of the grapefruit is not conisdered useful spending unless you work in that lab.

Another example is a leader of our government cutting funing so NASA is forced to retrieve million dollar satelites with fishing poles is an example of what?

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

this is a link to a speach clinton gave. it has ZERO to do with your statement of "I believe Vice President Gore tried to implement such a program and found himself stonewalled by the right side of the room"

well, there you got me. it's pretty hard to find a link relating to happenings from 12 years ago. i am operating on recall in this instance.

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

also, clinton didn't cut the budget, Newt did.

now where's your link silly?

titmowse · 02-18-2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

Waste and spending are semantics.

I may consider waste, what you consider spending.

For example, one of the 15 labs being paid to study the growing habits of the grapefruit is not conisdered useful spending unless you work in that lab.

Another example is a leader of our government cutting funing so NASA is forced to retrieve million dollar satelites with fishing poles is an example of what?

I'm a little confused. You're saying Clinton cut spending for grapefruits and NASA?

BlueQuartz · 02-18-2005, 10:44 AM

BUSH THE BUTCHER

Icon · 02-18-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you internet morons crack me up.
please choose from the chart below the date you started working (for those of you 20something idiots, use your parent's history instead) then please note the % of increase between then and now. during any 40yrs you choose, you'd be better off putting your SS money into the market than into the government.

You seem like the ideal candidate for this job. go to the garage, get the antifreeze, go to the kitchen, pour yourself a tall glass and bottoms up!

if u have no anti freeze try engine coolant, should have the same effect. again. Bottoms up.

02-18-2005, 07:02 AM	#1
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	You'd have to be a moron to not agree with Bush Just watching the latest Republican shill mouthpiece that Fox News runs regularly in support of the Bush agenda and the anchor actually asked him a good question, one that I had wondered about. After the guy said said only a moron wouldn't support the president's plan she asked him if there was any sort of protection for folks if their investments in the proposed private retirement accounts went belly up and the guy responded that it is just a crazy part of freedom. So there you go. 20 years from now when the new Enrons come rolling in, the govt will just tell you that you are crazy and are free to be __________________ .

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	you internet morons crack me up. please choose from the chart below the date you started working (for those of you 20something idiots, use your parent's history instead) then please note the % of increase between then and now. during any 40yrs you choose, you'd be better off putting your SS money into the market than into the government. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	titmouse, I'm embarrassed for you. do you know how that calculation is being made or do you just blindly bah when you see it? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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02-18-2005, 08:43 AM	#18
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	Bush is a hypocrite. He talk about how it's MY money. But under his plan and I have VERY few choices for investments. And I can't take the money out early if there is an emergency. Also when I retire the government won't let me have the money in a lump sum THEY dertermine how much I get each year. So how is that ME knowing best what to do with MY money. Seems like same old dog, new trick in my book.

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FunForOne Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 8,704	I would just like to point out how great it is to have democrats now arguing to cut spending. They have changed one of their core agendas to gain political footing. Whats next, will Hillary run on a platform to kick gays out of the military completely? I cant wait to see her campaign where she will go fishing and hunting in Louisiana and then stop off at a DAllas Cowboys game wearing a cowboy hat. This is going to be good. I bet the democrats dont realize that Rush and Hannity can retire on the money they will make if she runs for president.

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