Smashbucks Just Got Better ? Moves To Nats System

[Princess Ellisa]

Smashbucks announces its launch onto the NATS affiliate tracking system. The move to NATS brings Smashbucks to a solid position coupling their high quality sites with their new dependable stats.

Mike Hawk, co-owner of Smashbucks, says ?we aim to bring our affiliates everything they look for in a program. Hopefully NATS will be one step in the right direction.?

Smashbucks would like to thank some very special friends that helped to make this change much easier for us:

We would especially like to especially thank John, Borris, Nathan and Valerie of Nats for making our setup nice and smooth. Our switch to Nats was seamless and the extra mile and late hours and weekend Nathan took with us is much appreciated!

On our team... special thanks to Carlito for not sleeping for a week while designing the Inside of Smashbucks and overseeing every technical requirement along the way. We'd be lost without you!

Finally, Gene from Arousal Design for our Smashbucks front end design and endless changes to our Flash.

You guys Rocked!

[SomeCreep]

Nice, I like Nats

[Art Del Gado]

congrads

[Ramster]

Good move Mike. Excellent stuff

[TheLegacy]

great work Mike - you guys rock

[Vanilla DeVille]

Great Stuff!!! Congrats, Guys!!!

[Corleone]

great nats rocks!: )

[WWC-Moe B.]

great move guys... best of luck to you Mike and Joe

[Kimmykim]

geez girl, you work fast ;-}}}}

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by Moe B.

great move guys... best of luck to you Mike and Joe

Thanks Moe!

[Tanker]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

geez girl, you work fast ;-}}}}

She is speedy

[Big Red Machine]

Good move we have had NATS from the get go and they keep improving it.
NATS ROCKS

[Doc Herbal]

Congrats, heard NATS is a very solid system!

[swami]

What can you tell me about the NATS system implemented for your sites?How does it do the tracking of sales?How long is the cookie set for?What happens to NON -US traffic?
What % of sales do you get that have no referrer?

Thanks.

[skillfull]

cool

8char

[yellowmenace]

congrats!

[JSA Matt]

FYI,

Your signup link is broken, it's not parsing the PHP

http://nats.smashbucks.com/signup.php?<?=$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']?>

[Princess Ellisa]

Originally Posted by JSA Matt

FYI,

Your signup link is broken, it's not parsing the PHP

http://nats.smashbucks.com/signup.php?<?=$_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']?>

Thank you. Tech is on it now

[videoxpix]

And The hits just keep on coming. Gotta Love all the recent PR! WTG MIKE, JOE, & ELILSA

[Princess Ellisa]

Originally Posted by swami

What can you tell me about the NATS system implemented for your sites?How does it do the tracking of sales?How long is the cookie set for?What happens to NON -US traffic?
What % of sales do you get that have no referrer?

Thanks.

Why don't you hit me up on ICQ and you can ask me as many questions as you would like

How does it do the tracking of sales? I know it tracks by cookie, it might also track by session IDs but I don't know the technical answer for that at this moment as we just installed NATS yesterday...but I will find someone who can fill me in.

Cookie is set for 30 days.

Non US Traffic goes to the Join Page

What % of sales do you get that have no referrer? Everything is tracked. If it doesn't have an affiliate ID it will have an in house one, so everything has a referrer.

[swami]

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Why don't you hit me up on ICQ and you can ask me as many questions as you would like

How does it do the tracking of sales? I know it tracks by cookie, it might also track by session IDs but I don't know the technical answer for that at this moment as we just installed NATS yesterday...but I will find someone who can fill me in.

Cookie is set for 30 days.

Non US Traffic goes to the Join Page

What % of sales do you get that have no referrer? Everything is tracked. If it doesn't have an affiliate ID it will have an in house one, so everything has a referrer.

thanks.Could you tell me how smashbucks is better then from having NATS?

[jazzll]

Originally Posted by swami

thanks.Could you tell me how smashbucks is better then from having NATS?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=332087

Hope that helps.

[Jon2]

Originally Posted by swami

thanks.Could you tell me how smashbucks is better then from having NATS?

Simply put...

If Lensman chooses it...Its gold

Jon

[xclusive]

Nats are good we will be using it your program just keeps looking better

[Quality_Adult_Traffic]

Originally Posted by swami

thanks.Could you tell me how smashbucks is better then from having NATS?

probably best to hit her up on ICQ like she asked. posting and reposting many times over is time consuming. time is valuable.

[swami]

Originally Posted by Jon

Simply put...

If Lensman chooses it...Its gold

Jon

Gold for who?The affiliate or the sponsor.If the aff, please tell me how?

[Jon2]

NATS is good for both the webmaster and the affiliate owner...

Reasons why is because of the extensive programming that has gone into it on the programming and design. NATS has a strong stance against cheating webmasters using their script. They have no shaving features in the script...However everything can be tampered or fucked with...But they will can anyone in a heartbeat when they are caught.

NATS is constantly updating the features available in the script...Which is good for both parties as you get more fun tools and stuff to work with...

The functionality of NATS is what seperates it from the rest...Also NATS has a new feature where it has a FREE Statsremote type program for any NATS site (As they add them...Just email them if they aren't added to the db)

So that is why Lensman and so many others have chosen to pick NATS

Jon

[Manowar]

Great news. Hope the change goes wellfor you.

[swami]

My experience with NATS is that its tracking is below par.
Does it track by IP?No one has been able to tell me including Nathan from NATS.What other methods apart from cookie tracking does it use?Whay do so many sponsors using NATS treat foreign traffic different.A good % of my sales from NastyD and Bangbros come from non us traffic.Why does it seem that the aff code gets replaced by the sponsors own code when a surfer changes pages?
I personally wonder whether sponsors like NATS cos they are getting more sales with their own codes.
As for not being able to shave.Thats laughable.

[$pikes]

Originally Posted by swami

My experience with NATS is that its tracking is below par.
Does it track by IP?No one has been able to tell me including Nathan from NATS.What other methods apart from cookie tracking does it use?Whay do so many sponsors using NATS treat foreign traffic different.A good % of my sales from NastyD and Bangbros come from non us traffic.Why does it seem that the aff code gets replaced by the sponsors own code when a surfer changes pages?
I personally wonder whether sponsors like NATS cos they are getting more sales with their own codes.
As for not being able to shave.Thats laughable.

Swami,

I've only had a week with our new nats system but I have to strongly disagree with you. I don't have the tech answers for your questions but we will research and reply. However, I do believe nats is a major improvement for us. The stats, join and cascade features are simply a better improvement. We also asked our top affiliates what they thought when we were considering nats and they all gave it a very strong thumbs up. Our webmasters come first so we made the decision to go with Nats.

Now.. as far as your last comments. It's apparent from all the threads on this subject that anyone can mess with traffic although from all the threads, it seems nearly impossible with nats so again, it comes down to trust in the sponsor program and the people running it. In this business, reputation is everything and Mike and I have always, and will always, conduct our business above the board. I think your comments are indirectly calling myself, Mike, Lensmen and all the other standup sponsors using nats liars and thieves.

I think you should show up at the Phoenix show and say this to my face. Mike and I will pay for your ticket.

[StuartD]

Good stuff!

[Carlito]

Originally Posted by swami

My experience with NATS is that its tracking is below par.
Does it track by IP?No one has been able to tell me including Nathan from NATS.What other methods apart from cookie tracking does it use?Whay do so many sponsors using NATS treat foreign traffic different.A good % of my sales from NastyD and Bangbros come from non us traffic.

Why does it seem that the aff code gets replaced by the sponsors own code when a surfer changes pages?
I personally wonder whether sponsors like NATS cos they are getting more sales with their own codes.
As for not being able to shave.Thats laughable.

As for the highlighted section in italics - that would come down entirely to the sponsor & their tour... if they are changing that information, then you shouldn``t use them, and beyond that, i`d like to see a page that this happens, feel free to show me privately - 265103 @ icq.

As for the other sttatements & questions you made -

Most things online cannot be tracked by IP reliably because of services such as AOL. NATS does NOT track entirely by cookie - like some other programs.
However, NATS does track by cookie IN ADDITION TO link code. Every link in our tours carries the webmaster ID & other NATS specific variables. If a link does not carry that information, then it would fall back on cookie tracking.

So if you want to consider a sponsor for your promotions, do yourself a little homework, and browse the tour making sure that ALL links to additional pages as well as tthe join page, resemble your link code from the affiiliate center.

I can guarantee you that we track 100% through these link codes from referral code, to join page and any pages in between, if you find an error, let me know and it will be taken care of in a matter of minutes.

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by swami

My experience with NATS is that its tracking is below par.
Does it track by IP?No one has been able to tell me including Nathan from NATS.What other methods apart from cookie tracking does it use?Whay do so many sponsors using NATS treat foreign traffic different.A good % of my sales from NastyD and Bangbros come from non us traffic.Why does it seem that the aff code gets replaced by the sponsors own code when a surfer changes pages?
I personally wonder whether sponsors like NATS cos they are getting more sales with their own codes.
As for not being able to shave.Thats laughable.

Alan...tell you what...first time was funny now this is like a slap in the face to not only us but to all hard working programs out there using Nats. We have worked hard to make a switch to a good program and you come over here and take shit in this post.

I guess what makes me seriously mad is the fact you pretend to be my friend on many ICQ conversations including the one last night that I will paste at the bottom of this post. I always wonder about people that play the "friend card" then when they get a chance bash you.

You must be DRUNK or out of your fucking mind, I dont know who the fuck you think you are, I really dont give a fuck. My partner invited you to any show to meet up with us and we can show you just how we feel in the most physical way possible. I think you are a jerk and if you were the last mother fucker on earth I would not do any biz with you.

I even spent the time to get you together with one of my very best friends to help you with you remote desktop server. I promised my partner I would not go negative or lash out on this or any other boards, but in this case I find it so offensive and take it so personal. If we did not know you and never said a word to each other, then post away ...you are just a hater. But you fall into that rare class of FUCKED UP HUMANS that I want to PUNCH THE FUCK OUT. Hope that is strong enough for you.

There you go, you now have a real person on this board and out there in the world that thinks you are a big piece of shit. So the fuck what you are some bullshit SEO guy, suck my dick fucker. How dare you come over here and take a shit on this post ....fuck you!

Shaking your hand while taking a very sharp knife to everyone that uses Nats, the smashbucks crew owners etc..I take offense to that

Here is Alan or Swami or what ever the fuck he wants to call him sorry ass self pretending to be my friend:

marcoola Swami SE (07:08 PM) :

Well good luck with mate.Hows your mild site going btw?

MikeHawk (07:09 PM) :

building more SE friendly tours, going good.

MikeHawk (07:10 PM) :

conversions are very good, but as always need more traffic, building inside traffic systems.

marcoola Swami SE (07:10 PM) :

whats the url again?

MikeHawk (07:10 PM) :

www.mommylovespussy.com

www.domymom.com

marcoola Swami SE (07:11 PM) :

you guys doing pps now?

MikeHawk (07:11 PM) :

Yes sir.

marcoola Swami SE (07:11 PM) :

which is the oldest site?

MikeHawk (07:11 PM) :

both rolled out about the same time.

marcoola Swami SE (07:14 PM) :

you should put in the title "milf on milf" on your tour pages for mommylovespussy.Milf gets enormous traffic as i have found out


There, I feel much better....gets me all crazy when someone calls me a liar and a cheat, just kind of fucking rubs me to wrong fucking way! As for my partner who never gets mad, well lets just say a blow torch and tire iron is to good for what he wants to do.

Everyone else have a great day!

[ArkansasDave]

Great work Mike!

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by swami

My experience with NATS is that its tracking is below par.
Does it track by IP?No one has been able to tell me including Nathan from NATS.What other methods apart from cookie tracking does it use?Whay do so many sponsors using NATS treat foreign traffic different.A good % of my sales from NastyD and Bangbros come from non us traffic.Why does it seem that the aff code gets replaced by the sponsors own code when a surfer changes pages?
I personally wonder whether sponsors like NATS cos they are getting more sales with their own codes.
As for not being able to shave.Thats laughable.

No, as of now it does not track by IP. It tracks via cookie and via the ref code being passed along the tour (which is two methods where many programs use one method). IP tracking is a bit of a pain thanks to AOL sharing IPs, etc. We are working to add IP tracking as a third fall back option but as of now the cookie/url combination works quite well. Most CCBill programs as far as I know ONLY use cookie not tour tracking so we're already a step ahead and above par, not below. And as stated, we are working to add IP as a 3rd fall back last resort check.

What is done with foreign traffic is called a sponsors business model. Some pay on it, some do not. That is up to them to decide. If they are deciving in anyway about it then let us know and we will speak with them. It is up to the sponsor program to determine their business model and you to choose whether or not you wish to promote that buisness model. What is done with clicks from China has no bearing on the quality of NATS itself.

As far as "codes changing when a surfer changes pages" If you have evidence of this and you believe it's being done to steal sales show us these examples and we will take the proper actions. Coming here and bashing a software and the programs running it based on a bunch of BS and random thoughts you have is very unprofessional.

You seem to have some sort of "hatred" of NATS for some reason. Why? I have no clue. You're in the minority tho and it's a very lonely place. If you don't like it, don't use it. Thats up to you. Coming here and bashing it with no basis and for apparently no reason other than you disliking it is childish, unprofessional, and speaks volumes about your character.

This thread was about Smashcom's program. A great program run by a great bunch of guys and I've seen their #s and their ratios are great, espeically for affiliates. Ratios across the board went up when they made the NATS move and they dropped the trials (and yes, they still went UP). That's for affiliates also. It was a good move on their part and has had great results for them. You still for some reason felt the need to jump in here and attack them and us. Again, it speaks volumes about you.

[$pikes]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

This thread was about Smashcom's program. A great program run by a great bunch of guys and I've seen their #s and their ratios are great, espeically for affiliates. Ratios across the board went up when they made the NATS move and they dropped the trials (and yes, they still went UP). That's for affiliates also. It was a good move on their part and has had great results for them. You still for some reason felt the need to jump in here and attack them and us. Again, it speaks volumes about you.

Hat's off to you John. You and your team are a class act and we thank you again.

[Carlito]

Originally Posted by $pikes

Hat's off to you John. You and your team are a class act and we thank you again.

Yeah great post.

[Jon2]

Originally Posted by swami

As for not being able to shave.Thats laughable.

Obviously your just trying to start shit...

But where did I say you were not able to shave? Perhaps reading wasn't your strongest points in school?

Jon

[Quality_Adult_Traffic]

Originally Posted by $pikes

Swami,

I've only had a week with our new nats system but I have to strongly disagree with you. I don't have the tech answers for your questions but we will research and reply. However, I do believe nats is a major improvement for us. The stats, join and cascade features are simply a better improvement. We also asked our top affiliates what they thought when we were considering nats and they all gave it a very strong thumbs up. Our webmasters come first so we made the decision to go with Nats.

Now.. as far as your last comments. It's apparent from all the threads on this subject that anyone can mess with traffic although from all the threads, it seems nearly impossible with nats so again, it comes down to trust in the sponsor program and the people running it. In this business, reputation is everything and Mike and I have always, and will always, conduct our business above the board. I think your comments are indirectly calling myself, Mike, Lensmen and all the other standup sponsors using nats liars and thieves.

I think you should show up at the Phoenix show and say this to my face. Mike and I will pay for your ticket.

it was apparent to me from his first post that theres a bone to pick somewhere in his past or currently with either nats or maybe just likes to ruin the very few positive threads that the board actually sees. lens, joe and mike and many others using nats are great people. bottom line is there will always be assholes who shave no matter what you do. find good peeps to work with and dont look back, take care of them and they will take care fo you. my two cents.

[xxxjay]

Mike - I'd just ignore that Swami guy. Trying to argue with him is like clapping with one hand and a lot less fun, plus far less productive.

He starts trouble with everybody/

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Mike - I'd just ignore that Swami guy. Trying to argue with him is like clapping with one hand and a lot less fun, plus far less productive.

He starts trouble with everybody/

Jay...i like that "clapping with one hand" will have to steal that one....lol

Hope to see you on Friday night down in Hollywood CA.

[boneprone]

Originally Posted by MikeHawk

Jay...i like that "clapping with one hand" will have to steal that one....lol

Hope to see you on Friday night down in Hollywood CA.

[WWC-Moe B.]

People talk shit no matter what you do!!! see you on friday Mike

[digifan]

Congrats Do you plan epassporte payouts?

[$pikes]

Originally Posted by digifan

Congrats Do you plan epassporte payouts?

yes Digi.. We are finishing up setting our our account with them and we will hppefully have that online next week.

Thanks!

[swami]

First let me say that I am flabbergasted at the response to my questions about nats.
I feel sick in the stomach that John and the crew at Smashbucks took my posts personal.The funny thing is I thought I was doing them a favour by bumping the tread.

Let me say that I consider MikeHawk a great person with a big heart who I admire greatly as a single father.I still consider him a friend no matter how he actually feels about me atm.

I guess my mistake was in getting involved with a promo thread.i should've started my own about Nats because that is where my query lies.At first it just seemed like fun to get Ellisa and John a bit of research .Unfortunately and unintentionally it got personal and for this I apologise as my posts were meant to cast no aspersions on the SmashBuck crew at all.
Cheers.

[$pikes]

Originally Posted by swami

First let me say that I am flabbergasted at the response to my questions about nats.
I feel sick in the stomach that John and the crew at Smashbucks took my posts personal.The funny thing is I thought I was doing them a favour by bumping the tread.

Let me say that I consider MikeHawk a great person with a big heart who I admire greatly as a single father.I still consider him a friend no matter how he actually feels about me atm.

I guess my mistake was in getting involved with a promo thread.i should've started my own about Nats because that is where my query lies.At first it just seemed like fun to get Ellisa and John a bit of research .Unfortunately and unintentionally it got personal and for this I apologise as my posts were meant to cast no aspersions on the SmashBuck crew at all.
Cheers.

I apologize too Swami...! The heated posts about these types of affiliate software are always a firestorm and always end up reflecting very positive or negative depending on which side a person is on.. And at the end of the day this reflects on the Sponsor that is using that software as well. I guess I assumed the worst from your post and for that I apologize as well.

Mike has always spoken very highly about you and I hope we all chalk this up to a horrible misunderstanding. I hope we can still get some SEO work done with you one day. Lets still talk about that flight out here and let me buy you a beer instead!

Bottom line on this thread for Smashbucks is this: We as a Program need cascading to grab all those lost sales that would happen if we only used one processor. We need advanced stats for our affiliates and an easy to navigate program AND advanced features for power users. We need a system like this that is backed up with top level 24/7 support. And when we use a software to accomplish all of this it MUST be respected by the webmaster community. Mike and I can only fly to so many shows to put our faces and personalities out there for the webmaster public to get to know us personally and judge our integrity for themselves. For us, nats is the backend answer and anything else is playing with fire and not worth laying our business on the line for.

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by swami

First let me say that I am flabbergasted at the response to my questions about nats.
I feel sick in the stomach that John and the crew at Smashbucks took my posts personal.The funny thing is I thought I was doing them a favour by bumping the tread.

Let me say that I consider MikeHawk a great person with a big heart who I admire greatly as a single father.I still consider him a friend no matter how he actually feels about me atm.

I guess my mistake was in getting involved with a promo thread.i should've started my own about Nats because that is where my query lies.At first it just seemed like fun to get Ellisa and John a bit of research .Unfortunately and unintentionally it got personal and for this I apologise as my posts were meant to cast no aspersions on the SmashBuck crew at all.
Cheers.

Swami,
Sorry I had to go postal on that post about you! I am truly sorry and I want to thank you for those very kind words!

We are ALL GOOD...Warm Fuzzy group hug for all of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digifan]

Originally Posted by $pikes

yes Digi.. We are finishing up setting our our account with them and we will hppefully have that online next week.

Thanks!

That's definitely good news!

[Blue_Spade]

Congrats to Mike and Joe and the rest of the Smashbucks crew.

Like Jay said . . . fuck swami!

Glad to see lots of changes over at the smashbucks compound . . . you guys are the shit!

On the side: Gonna be out in LA during the middle of March . . . you guys should come and chill with the OC Cash crew!