How long does it take to make money with tgps? (my results inside) - GoFuckYourself.com

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 07:52 PM

Ive been submitting galleries for 6 weeks and heres how I'm doing so far:

Week 1 - $0
Week 2 - $35
week 3 - $140
week 4 - $35
week 5 - $70
week 6 - $0

is that good, or normal, or bad?
how long does it take before i start to really make some money?

According to my counter, my galleries have been loaded 738,884 times, mostly from 4 or 5 BIG tgps, the rest are smaller ones.

Steen2 · 02-15-2005, 07:59 PM

Sounds kind of crappy to me, hope it gets higher for you over time.

brand0n · 02-15-2005, 08:01 PM

are you submitting by hand or using a program?

Sly · 02-15-2005, 08:01 PM

Sounds like a waste of time.

How many TGPs do you submit to?

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand0n

are you submitting by hand or using a program?

30 by hand, and about 30 auto submitting a day.
I never get listed on thehun, worldsex, al4a or anything

quiet · 02-15-2005, 08:03 PM

dude, that fucking sucks.

Spunky · 02-15-2005, 08:03 PM

Keep pluggin away...it will get better

The Heron · 02-15-2005, 08:04 PM

Kill yourself now.

pornguy · 02-15-2005, 08:04 PM

You are doing something wrong. I am doing better submitting one a day.

polish_aristocrat · 02-15-2005, 08:05 PM

seems probably average for a newbie, there's hardly any money in free submissions for new ppl i would say

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunky

Keep pluggin away...it will get better

do you think?
I mean, i dont mind plugging away if it means eventually Ill make some money. Every business starts small. But how long does it take before I start to make a lot more, like say $200 a day?

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet

dude, that fucking sucks.

im ascertaining that from reading the replies here

polish_aristocrat · 02-15-2005, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickhappy

But how long does it take before I start to make a lot more, like say $200 a day?

never

xlogger · 02-15-2005, 08:12 PM

never mind..

Spunky · 02-15-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickhappy

do you think?
I mean, i dont mind plugging away if it means eventually Ill make some money. Every business starts small. But how long does it take before I start to make a lot more, like say $200 a day?

Depends on your galleries and who you are submitting too.Of course don't be submitting teen galleries to mature sites..keep trying with the bigger ones and filter out what isn't working for ya ..you'll eventually get it going

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xlogger

never mind..

i dont know. I use an fpa that seperates my galleries from the sponsor (cuz I had 1 sponsor steal my exact text once long ago) so I cant tell which specific girl or galleries got those sales.

hey you changed your post after I posted lol

Phoenix · 02-15-2005, 08:15 PM

what niches are you doing? you migh be under some heavy competition

i have had guys start from nothing with me and they are doing 3 sales and sometimes more each day

keep plugging and refining

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

what niches are you doing? you migh be under some heavy competition

some ebony, some mature, some lesbian, and some big babe.

Trent Edison · 02-15-2005, 08:21 PM

Get yourself a submit pass on Tommys Bookmarks. I made twice what you posted only off his traffic in last 20 days.

the indigo · 02-15-2005, 08:22 PM

You got like one sale per 90,000 uniques per gallery. That's just plain bad.

Start working on your template/product you are trying to sell to get a sale per 35,000 uniques per gallery. That is the average for teen/general traffic.

You can tweak and make a sell for every 20,000 uniques to galleries. That would boost your sales by 4,5 times. BUT you will probably end with less traffic because tgps tend to list non-selling galleries more than good galleries.

Anyway, want my honest opinion on (free) tgp submitting in 2005? Worthless. If you really want to do it anyway, go in smaller niches like BBW, Interracial, Shemale, etc... Those niches TGP need partners and submissions, not the teen/general tgp that have access to billions of free hosted galleries and 2000 submitters already.

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

rml1608 · 02-15-2005, 08:23 PM

There's your problem...

Yeah sure they aren't being submitted as much (galleries to that site), but there isn't nearly as much traffic to those niches either. I would suggest trying

Teen, Hardcore, Models, Asian, Anal for a month and see what happens ;)

Use some reality sponsers, they do very well right now !

Ryan

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trent Edison

Get yourself a submit pass on Tommys Bookmarks. I made twice what you posted only off his traffic in last 20 days.

does he take galleries or only free sites? i dont make free sites.
I tried once but i didnt get listed and made $0 so i didnt do any more

Phoenix · 02-15-2005, 08:26 PM

forget reality

go for the weird stuff no one else is doing

www.preggopoontang.com/main.html

Trent Edison · 02-15-2005, 08:27 PM

He takes both free sites and galleries.

rml1608 · 02-15-2005, 08:29 PM

Indigo may be right, as I am just getting back into this business... You will have highly targetted traffic there however as a newbie knowing how to "tweak" your design for optimal performance would be learned best with more traffic.

So maybe a mix, trial and error with the cateogires I mentioned... As far as page setups and getting it to roughly 1 in 35K Gallery visits.. Than start working your targetted Niche's using what you have learned!

Good luck !

xlogger · 02-15-2005, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickhappy

hey you changed your post after I posted lol

hehe sorry about that.

V_RocKs · 02-15-2005, 08:32 PM

You need to show us some galleries....
Next you need to consider running a FHG's TGP... then every single gallery is your selling point. Every single spot is paying you cash. You'd easily make your weekly income in 1 day...

Now.. as for are you progressing at a normal pace???

YES YOU ARE!

And then you come here and ask and we look at your shit and give you some tips and next month you clear $800... then $1000 then $1200 then $1500 then $2000... and it keeps going and going... we have all been where you are and none of us did $2000 in our first month.. NONE OF US... so I don't need to hear bullshit from someone who got ponied by someone who already knew what they were doing... Well, my partner made that much his first month.. but then he had me to tell him how too...

clickhappy · 02-15-2005, 08:35 PM

wow thanks for the advice everyone
so
1. keep going
2. try different layouts
3. try unusual niches
4. try tommys and adding better tgps to submit to.
thanks
I just didnt know if I was like wayy off track or something

the indigo · 02-15-2005, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

You need to show us some galleries....
Next you need to consider running a FHG's TGP... then every single gallery is your selling point. Every single spot is paying you cash. You'd easily make your weekly income in 1 day...

Now.. as for are you progressing at a normal pace???

YES YOU ARE!

And then you come here and ask and we look at your shit and give you some tips and next month you clear $800... then $1000 then $1200 then $1500 then $2000... and it keeps going and going... we have all been where you are and none of us did $2000 in our first month.. NONE OF US... so I don't need to hear bullshit from someone who got ponied by someone who already knew what they were doing... Well, my partner made that much his first month.. but then he had me to tell him how too...

Yes I did, but that was in 2000. Now if you think it's that simple to start from scratch with no partner account and no experience, you are a dreamer.

clickhappy · 02-16-2005, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

you need to consider running a FHG's TGP... then every single gallery is your selling point. Every single spot is paying you cash. You'd easily make your weekly income in 1 day...

what do you mean by that?
you mean as my 404 page or having a full blown tgp? I dont like running a tgp because I dont know how to trade and theres so many cheating trades and all that.

breaker · 02-16-2005, 01:22 AM

There ain't much money in tgp submitting today without partner accounts. If you want over 100k+ per day in traffic you have to get partner accounts.

hjnet · 02-16-2005, 02:25 AM

Try to get your conversions at least somewhere around 1 sale per 30k unique gallery visitors, maybe ~1:15-20k with trials, thats a normal-good conversion rate these days.

And it's right that partner accounts don't harm, but everybody who is a successfull gallery submitter these days has started small some time ago. If you just sit around and do nothing you'll not get any partner accounts/connections to increase your traffic, the only way to get that is to keep submitting and improve your Database/Galleries/etc.

Take a look at http://www.adultsponsortest.com/advancedsubmitter.htm for a big TGP Database you could use as a starting point, just submit to the entire Database for ~2-3 months and then take a look at your stats and stop submitting to those TGPs that didn't sent you any traffic.

stanyslav bukovski · 02-16-2005, 04:42 AM

the first period is the hardest

hang on

hova · 02-16-2005, 04:48 AM

keep trying, and read about it

iwantchixx · 02-16-2005, 05:29 AM

I'd like to see some gallery examples. On a list of 60 tgps you should be doing much better than that. How often are you submitting? Also, don't pay attention to the free hosted galleries tgp idea. Everyone and their dog has one and the advertising runs stale after awhile as most sponsors use the same layout+text on every gallery they have. Concentrate on things you have control over, such as building your own. Going though FPAs is a very smart move. You can filter traffic out to alternate sites that suite the niche you are pushing and posibly net that extra sale you wouldn't have otherwise. Make the FPAs very SE friendly too. Choose really good terms to target. Just dont over do it with too many terms. Also use them sparingly. Don't become a keyword spam page. Stick to one term per FPA. If it's a very popular site, use the site as the term, just make sure it's not against sponsor TOS. If it's something really unique like mature stockings, play on that.

Rui · 02-16-2005, 05:41 AM

Shit those are some pretty shitty results man...change whatever you seem to be doing cause it isn't working very well..

Adultnet · 02-16-2005, 05:45 AM

you should get much more income from this stuff dude i guess you are doing some thing wrong..
can be the - layout, tgp , sponsor etc...

Basic_man · 02-16-2005, 05:51 AM

Many great reads here ! Dont give up man, you can do better !

iwantchixx · 02-16-2005, 05:53 AM

that's just bad. When I was submitting only 1 or 2 times a week a year or more ago I was still making 300 a week from it. I still get rebills and rogue signups from that campaign to this day lol.

Theo · 02-16-2005, 05:58 AM

you need to start using dieselaction

FunForOne · 02-16-2005, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickhappy

Ive been submitting galleries for 6 weeks and heres how I'm doing so far:

Week 1 - $0
Week 2 - $35
week 3 - $140
week 4 - $35
week 5 - $70
week 6 - $0

is that good, or normal, or bad?
how long does it take before i start to really make some money?

According to my counter, my galleries have been loaded 738,884 times, mostly from 4 or 5 BIG tgps, the rest are smaller ones.

I dont think you ratios are that bad.

I'm not experienced either, but someone gave some advice saying that I needed to get 1,000,000 hits a day to my galleries.

When you do that you would be pulling in 300 - 400 bucks a day!

Good luck

Mefo · 02-16-2005, 08:06 AM

that's kinda bad, hit me up on icq if you need some help to gain better results

polish_aristocrat · 02-16-2005, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

I dont think you ratios are that bad.

I'm not experienced either, but someone gave some advice saying that I needed to get 1,000,000 hits a day to my galleries.

welcome to 2001

Nicky · 02-16-2005, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

I dont think you ratios are that bad.

I'm not experienced either, but someone gave some advice saying that I needed to get 1,000,000 hits a day to my galleries.

When you do that you would be pulling in 300 - 400 bucks a day!

Good luck

1mil hits aday? sounds like you have some heavy gallery spot buying to do than

FunForOne · 02-16-2005, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

welcome to 2001

why would you mouthfart that my way?

FunForOne · 02-16-2005, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

1mil hits aday? sounds like you have some heavy gallery spot buying to do than

My assumption is that its not just to one gallery.
For sure, you would have to use some partner accounts and paid listings, but also

Make 10 galleries, submit
Make 10 galleries the next day, submit
Make 10 galleries the next day, submit
.....

Eventually, you are getting traffic from a bunch of different galleries all on the same day.

How many gallery hits do you think each one should get?

Would I be wrong about this?

volante · 02-16-2005, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne

Make 10 galleries, submit
Make 10 galleries the next day, submit
Make 10 galleries the next day, submit
.....

Eventually, you are getting traffic from a bunch of different galleries all on the same day.

Eventually, you are blacklisted by every TGP capable of sending you decent traffic by not following the rules...

FunForOne · 02-16-2005, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volante

Eventually, you are blacklisted by every TGP capable of sending you decent traffic by not following the rules...

why would they blacklist you for making galleries? Isn't that the whold deal.

Do you think there may be more than one tgp that you can use to spread out those 10 per day? Maybe, just maybe?

I"ve got one that wants 5 galleries a day. I've got another that wants 2 a day. Another one wants 5 a day. Yet, anohter wants 15 a month minimum.

You see, you can spread them out to different places.

The hun wants no more than 1 every 3 to 4 days. Thats what he gets!

groark · 02-16-2005, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

forget reality

go for the weird stuff no one else is doing

Weird stuff always converts better

Porko · 02-16-2005, 08:51 AM

Post some sample url...

02-15-2005, 07:52 PM	#1
clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	How long does it take to make money with tgps? (my results inside) Ive been submitting galleries for 6 weeks and heres how I'm doing so far: Week 1 - $0 Week 2 - $35 week 3 - $140 week 4 - $35 week 5 - $70 week 6 - $0 is that good, or normal, or bad? how long does it take before i start to really make some money? According to my counter, my galleries have been loaded 738,884 times, mostly from 4 or 5 BIG tgps, the rest are smaller ones.

02-15-2005, 07:59 PM	#2
Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	Sounds kind of crappy to me, hope it gets higher for you over time. __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945

02-15-2005, 08:01 PM	#4
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02-15-2005, 08:03 PM	#6
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	dude, that fucking sucks. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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02-15-2005, 08:01 PM	#3
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02-15-2005, 08:04 PM	#8
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02-15-2005, 08:04 PM	#9
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02-15-2005, 08:12 PM	#14
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02-15-2005, 08:15 PM	#17
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	what niches are you doing? you migh be under some heavy competition i have had guys start from nothing with me and they are doing 3 sales and sometimes more each day keep plugging and refining __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

02-15-2005, 08:21 PM	#19
Trent Edison Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Freeport 7 Posts: 6,132	Get yourself a submit pass on Tommys Bookmarks. I made twice what you posted only off his traffic in last 20 days. __________________

02-15-2005, 08:22 PM	#20
the indigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North America Posts: 2,016	You got like one sale per 90,000 uniques per gallery. That's just plain bad. Start working on your template/product you are trying to sell to get a sale per 35,000 uniques per gallery. That is the average for teen/general traffic. You can tweak and make a sell for every 20,000 uniques to galleries. That would boost your sales by 4,5 times. BUT you will probably end with less traffic because tgps tend to list non-selling galleries more than good galleries. Anyway, want my honest opinion on (free) tgp submitting in 2005? Worthless. If you really want to do it anyway, go in smaller niches like BBW, Interracial, Shemale, etc... Those niches TGP need partners and submissions, not the teen/general tgp that have access to billions of free hosted galleries and 2000 submitters already. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. __________________ "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. Thompson Last edited by the indigo; 02-15-2005 at 08:24 PM..

02-15-2005, 08:23 PM	#21
rml1608 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Central IL Posts: 985	There's your problem... Yeah sure they aren't being submitted as much (galleries to that site), but there isn't nearly as much traffic to those niches either. I would suggest trying Teen, Hardcore, Models, Asian, Anal for a month and see what happens ;) Use some reality sponsers, they do very well right now ! Ryan

02-15-2005, 08:26 PM	#23
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	forget reality go for the weird stuff no one else is doing www.preggopoontang.com/main.html __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

02-15-2005, 08:27 PM	#24
Trent Edison Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Freeport 7 Posts: 6,132	He takes both free sites and galleries. __________________

02-15-2005, 08:29 PM	#25
rml1608 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Central IL Posts: 985	Indigo may be right, as I am just getting back into this business... You will have highly targetted traffic there however as a newbie knowing how to "tweak" your design for optimal performance would be learned best with more traffic. So maybe a mix, trial and error with the cateogires I mentioned... As far as page setups and getting it to roughly 1 in 35K Gallery visits.. Than start working your targetted Niche's using what you have learned! Good luck !

02-15-2005, 08:32 PM	#27
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	You need to show us some galleries.... Next you need to consider running a FHG's TGP... then every single gallery is your selling point. Every single spot is paying you cash. You'd easily make your weekly income in 1 day... Now.. as for are you progressing at a normal pace??? YES YOU ARE! And then you come here and ask and we look at your shit and give you some tips and next month you clear $800... then $1000 then $1200 then $1500 then $2000... and it keeps going and going... we have all been where you are and none of us did $2000 in our first month.. NONE OF US... so I don't need to hear bullshit from someone who got ponied by someone who already knew what they were doing... Well, my partner made that much his first month.. but then he had me to tell him how too...

02-15-2005, 08:35 PM	#28
clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	wow thanks for the advice everyone so 1. keep going 2. try different layouts 3. try unusual niches 4. try tommys and adding better tgps to submit to. thanks I just didnt know if I was like wayy off track or something

02-16-2005, 01:22 AM	#31
breaker Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: .EU Fiasco Posts: 652	There ain't much money in tgp submitting today without partner accounts. If you want over 100k+ per day in traffic you have to get partner accounts. __________________ Cash Breaker Latinas Deliciosas Blonde Loves Black She's Fuckable Fresh Blowjobs ICQ: 147104800

02-16-2005, 02:25 AM	#32
hjnet Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 3,815	Try to get your conversions at least somewhere around 1 sale per 30k unique gallery visitors, maybe ~1:15-20k with trials, thats a normal-good conversion rate these days. And it's right that partner accounts don't harm, but everybody who is a successfull gallery submitter these days has started small some time ago. If you just sit around and do nothing you'll not get any partner accounts/connections to increase your traffic, the only way to get that is to keep submitting and improve your Database/Galleries/etc. Take a look at http://www.adultsponsortest.com/advancedsubmitter.htm for a big TGP Database you could use as a starting point, just submit to the entire Database for ~2-3 months and then take a look at your stats and stop submitting to those TGPs that didn't sent you any traffic.

02-16-2005, 04:42 AM	#33
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02-16-2005, 05:29 AM	#35
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	I'd like to see some gallery examples. On a list of 60 tgps you should be doing much better than that. How often are you submitting? Also, don't pay attention to the free hosted galleries tgp idea. Everyone and their dog has one and the advertising runs stale after awhile as most sponsors use the same layout+text on every gallery they have. Concentrate on things you have control over, such as building your own. Going though FPAs is a very smart move. You can filter traffic out to alternate sites that suite the niche you are pushing and posibly net that extra sale you wouldn't have otherwise. Make the FPAs very SE friendly too. Choose really good terms to target. Just dont over do it with too many terms. Also use them sparingly. Don't become a keyword spam page. Stick to one term per FPA. If it's a very popular site, use the site as the term, just make sure it's not against sponsor TOS. If it's something really unique like mature stockings, play on that. Last edited by iwantchixx; 02-16-2005 at 05:30 AM..

02-16-2005, 05:41 AM	#36
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Shit those are some pretty shitty results man...change whatever you seem to be doing cause it isn't working very well..

02-16-2005, 05:45 AM	#37
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02-16-2005, 05:51 AM	#38
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02-16-2005, 05:53 AM	#39
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	that's just bad. When I was submitting only 1 or 2 times a week a year or more ago I was still making 300 a week from it. I still get rebills and rogue signups from that campaign to this day lol.

02-16-2005, 05:58 AM	#40
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	you need to start using dieselaction

02-16-2005, 08:06 AM	#42
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02-16-2005, 08:51 AM	#50
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