PETA faggots OWNED - study finds that lobsters feel no pain when boiled - GoFuckYourself.com

Shaddam IV · 02-15-2005, 11:05 AM

AS IF PEOPLE GAVE A FLYING FUCK IN THE FIRST PLACE.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) -- A new study out of Norway concludes it's unlikely lobsters feel pain, stirring up a long-simmering debate over whether Maine's most valuable seafood suffers when it's being cooked.

Animal activists for years have claimed that lobsters are in agony when being cooked, and that dropping one in a pot of boiling water is tantamount to torture.

The study, funded by the Norwegian government and written by a scientist at the University of Oslo, suggests lobsters and other invertebrates such as crabs, snails and worms probably don't suffer even if lobsters do tend to thrash in boiling water.

"Lobsters and crabs have some capacity of learning, but it is unlikely that they can feel pain," concluded the 39-page report, aimed at determining if creatures without backbones should be subject to animal welfare legislation as Norway revises its animal welfare law.

Lobster biologists in Maine have maintained for years that the lobster's primitive nervous system and underdeveloped brain are similar to that of an insect. While lobsters react to different stimuli, such as boiling water, the reactions are escape mechanisms, not a conscious response or an indication of pain, they say.

"It's a semantic thing: No brain, no pain," said Mike Loughlin, who studied the matter when he was a University of Maine graduate student and is now a biologist at the Maine Atlantic Salmon Commission.

The Norwegian report also reinforces what people in the lobster industry have always contended, said Bob Bayer, executive director of the Lobster Institute, a research and education organization in Orono.

"We've maintained all along that the lobster doesn't have the ability to process pain," Bayer said.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an animal rights organization based in Norfolk, Virginia, has made lobster pain part of its Fish Empathy Project, putting out stickers and pamphlets with slogans such as "Being Boiled Hurts. Let Lobsters Live." Group supporters regularly demonstrate at the Maine Lobster Festival in Rockland.

PETA's Karin Robertson called the Norwegian study biased, saying the government doesn't want to hurt the country's fishing industry.

"This is exactly like the tobacco industry claiming that smoking doesn't cause cancer," she said.

Robertson said many scientists believe lobsters do feel pain. For instance, a zoologist with The Humane Society of the United States made a written declaration that lobsters can feel pain after a chef dismembered and sauteed a live lobster to prepare a Lobster Fra Diavolo dish on NBC's "Today" show in 1994.

It's debatable whether the debate will ever be resolved.

The Norwegian study, even while saying it's unlikely that crustaceans feel pain, also cautioned that more research is needed because there is a scarcity of scientific knowledge on the subject.

And, many consumers will always hesitate at placing lobsters in boiling pots of water.

New Englanders may feel comfortable cooking their lobsters, but people outside the region often feel uneasy about boiling a live creature, said Kristen Millar, executive director of the Maine Lobster Promotion Council.

"Consumers don't generally greet and meet an animal before they eat it," she said.

cfU · 02-15-2005, 11:08 AM

Mmmmmm...Lobster......

tony286 · 02-15-2005, 11:08 AM

these people are fucking kidding right lol

mardigras · 02-15-2005, 11:09 AM

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probably don't suffer even if lobsters do tend to thrash in boiling water

probably being the key word. In other words after a bunch of money was spent, this is what they have decided to think, not know.

The lobsters aren't thrashing... they are dancing because you have chosen them for dinner

Spunky · 02-15-2005, 11:09 AM

Next they will say fish feel pain...

Heather Hamptons · 02-15-2005, 11:11 AM

lol if they feel no pain, then why do they scream when you put them in a pot of boiling water?

Screaming · 02-15-2005, 11:11 AM

good heavens, there are many animals that suffer for human consumption, what started them in on the lobsters?

DarkJedi · 02-15-2005, 11:11 AM

I am actually a bit disappointed in this news. nothing like sending a lobster to its painful death in a cauldron of boiling water and brine.

Der Schleicher · 02-15-2005, 11:16 AM

Lobsters? yummy

Zoe_Zoebaboe · 02-15-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

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The lobsters aren't thrashing... they are dancing because you have chosen them for dinner

ArkansasDave · 02-15-2005, 11:19 AM

Lobsters taste good!

Mpegmaster · 02-15-2005, 11:36 AM

Peta = Please Eat Tasty Animals

brand0n · 02-15-2005, 11:47 AM

so do they want me to bash his head in with a mallet before i dump him in the water? i mean ill work with them

ive got hammers, electric shock tools, a stun gun, hell if need be ill take his ass out back and put 2 in the top of his shell

eather way, im eattin my lobster.

rambler · 02-15-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

so do they want me to bash his head in with a mallet before i dump him in the water? i mean ill work with them

ive got hammers, electric shock tools, a stun gun, hell if need be ill take his ass out back and put 2 in the top of his shell

eather way, im eattin my lobster.

They taste better when they are boiled alive. :food-smil

swedguy · 02-15-2005, 12:06 PM

I read the probably too. So basically they still have no clue

sickkittens · 02-15-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

probably being the key word. In other words after a bunch of money was spent, this is what they have decided to think, not know.

The lobsters aren't thrashing... they are dancing because you have chosen them for dinner

sickkittens · 02-15-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

I read the probably too. So basically they still have no clue

Never trust a study that uses the word "probably".

DarkJedi · 02-15-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rambler

They taste better when they are boiled alive. :food-smil

Not really.

Lobsters are cooked alive because when they die, some toxins are released into the bloodstream and they become poisonous (to some degree)

Rich · 02-15-2005, 01:10 PM

Yeah, we all know things that originate out of Oslo hold up.

Ok, no one here's going to get that, but trust me, it's funny.

PS. Fuck Peta, pain or no pain those boiled lobsters are delicious.

BuggyG · 02-15-2005, 01:20 PM

shit.. am out of garlic butter

Pipeline Q · 02-15-2005, 01:22 PM

You keep an animal from suffering as much as you can, but ultimately it comes down to the food chain.

I'm sure a wildebeest suffers greatly when a half dozen lions jump on it's back and eat it alive. Are we going to go shoot all the lions because of this?

sickkittens · 02-15-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipeline Q

You keep an animal from suffering as much as you can, but ultimately it comes down to the food chain.

I'm sure a wildebeest suffers greatly when a half dozen lions jump on it's back and eat it alive. Are we going to go shoot all the lions because of this?

You are missing the point. Nevermind.

Furious_Male · 02-15-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Heather Hamptons

lol if they feel no pain, then why do they scream when you put them in a pot of boiling water?

They dont scream. They don't even have vocal chords. The sound is really vented steam from the layer of seawater between the lobster?s flesh and its carapace.

Sly · 02-15-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Heather Hamptons

lol if they feel no pain, then why do they scream when you put them in a pot of boiling water?

Yeh, because lobsters have vocal chords and often times scream when they see a shark coming their way.

Furious_Male · 02-15-2005, 01:26 PM

I will be honest. I had live lobster last night and I did feel bad for just a second when I tossed him in the water.

TheMob · 02-15-2005, 01:27 PM

next thing you know peta will say animals are living creatures with feelings and emotions.

what a bunch of nutcases.

Furious_Male · 02-15-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Yeh, because lobsters have vocal chords and often times scream when they see a shark coming their way.

mardigras · 02-15-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipeline Q

You keep an animal from suffering as much as you can, but ultimately it comes down to the food chain.

Actually, our current food chain has been very lax with the suffering of animals. Bon appetite'

gangbangjoe · 02-15-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Yeh, because lobsters have vocal chords and often times scream when they see a shark coming their way.

mardigras · 02-15-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Lobsters are cooked alive because when they die, some toxins are released into the bloodstream and they become poisonous (to some degree)

Crawfish are boiled alive too. They curl up in response to the boiling water and that is how they end up. Any crawfish with a flat tail was dead before boiling and shouldn't be eaten because of similar toxins DarkJedi mentioned with lobsters.

DeanCapture · 02-15-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaddam IV

PETA's Karin Robertson called the Norwegian study biased, saying the government doesn't want to hurt the country's fishing industry.

"This is exactly like the tobacco industry claiming that smoking doesn't cause cancer," she said.

Hmmmm - interesting indeed

TheMob · 02-15-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

shouldn't be eaten because of similar toxins

That is enough right there

BlueQuartz · 02-15-2005, 01:59 PM

listen you piece of shit - id liek to boil you in aq fuckign pot of boiling water

why are they 'faggots' because they want animals to be treated ethically?

and whats wrong with faggots - they aint hurting noone - i bet you make money from them and you're prolly a closet pole smoker yourself LOL

so grow the fuck up KID

we all know real men dont hassle defenceless animals

have a shit day won'[t you

V_RocKs · 02-15-2005, 02:00 PM

Can't wait until my next jaunt into Mexico... Puerto Nuevo, here I come!

Platinumpimp · 02-15-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras

probablyThe lobsters aren't thrashing... they are dancing because you have chosen them for dinner

sweetME · 02-15-2005, 04:47 PM

That's nice to know, I always wondered about that.

ULVideo · 02-15-2005, 10:29 PM

Go watch Le Sang des betes

UniversalPass Pete · 02-15-2005, 10:49 PM

Just shoot the lobsters between the eye stalks! That's painless for sure!

jeffrey · 02-15-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

listen you piece of shit - id liek to boil you in aq fuckign pot of boiling water

why are they 'faggots' because they want animals to be treated ethically?

and whats wrong with faggots - they aint hurting noone - i bet you make money from them and you're prolly a closet pole smoker yourself LOL

so grow the fuck up KID

we all know real men dont hassle defenceless animals

have a shit day won'[t you

having a bad day?

do you live trap rats/mice? do you bitch at wolfs for killing sheep too slowly?

I personally couldnt care less about PETA, they can do what they want, as long as they dont effect me.

I had lobster last night, it was great

Mogulman · 02-15-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

listen you piece of shit - id liek to boil you in aq fuckign pot of boiling water

why are they 'faggots' because they want animals to be treated ethically?

and whats wrong with faggots - they aint hurting noone - i bet you make money from them and you're prolly a closet pole smoker yourself LOL

so grow the fuck up KID

we all know real men dont hassle defenceless animals

have a shit day won'[t you

'real men' are carnivorous KID. We don't hassle defenseless animals, we kill them. Realize that by 'ethical', they don't mean feed the lobster or cow or chicken a nice meal before you feast on it. They mean don't eat the fuckers at all. I'm sorry, but that's just a dumbass way of thinking. I don't have incisors because they're cute. Mother Nature gifted me with them for tearing into a thick ass piece of meat.

PETA can eat a fat dick.

emthree · 02-15-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

listen you piece of shit - id liek to boil you in aq fuckign pot of boiling water

why are they 'faggots' because they want animals to be treated ethically?

and whats wrong with faggots - they aint hurting noone - i bet you make money from them and you're prolly a closet pole smoker yourself LOL

so grow the fuck up KID

we all know real men dont hassle defenceless animals

have a shit day won'[t you

ROFL - You need to get out more

WTF Do you think they do in other countries? Where do you think the meat you eat comes from?

emthree · 02-15-2005, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mogulman

'real men' are carnivorous KID.
PETA can eat a fat dick.

Yep, that's the way we were created (being the animals that we are)

I believe in ethnical treatment of animals before they are killed for food. But I just cannot understand crazy tree hugger views.

yellowmenace · 02-15-2005, 11:56 PM

who knows for sure...just eat the fuckin' crustaceans lol

chodadog · 02-16-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Yeh, because lobsters have vocal chords and often times scream when they see a shark coming their way.

No shit. Haven't these idiots watched The Little Mermaid?

abadfish · 02-16-2005, 12:15 AM

I must be a pussy cause there is no way I could put a living creature in a pot of boiling water... not that I wouldn't eat it after someone else did though.

PETA is made up of a bunch of nut-cases but I think the existence of PETA is better for us as a whole. Although they are a bit extreme its needed to keep things in check. You know the food industry doesn't give a shit about how the animals are killed, its all about efficiency and money.

Mogulman · 02-16-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by abadfish

....You know the food industry doesn't give a shit about how the animals are killed...

For that matter, neither do it...particularly in the case of any raised animal. There's nothing humane about death in the first. As far as I'm concerned, the only requirements should be keep the animal healthy (only because it would otherwise effect my health

) and JUICY!!

pxxx · 02-16-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

so do they want me to bash his head in with a mallet before i dump him in the water? i mean ill work with them

ive got hammers, electric shock tools, a stun gun, hell if need be ill take his ass out back and put 2 in the top of his shell

eather way, im eattin my lobster.

Hehe

That was pretty funny. lmao

Rochard · 02-16-2005, 12:26 AM

Sorry, we are on top of the food chain and we eat what we want.

I had a hamburger for lunch today. I could care less how they were raised, how they were treated, and how they died. I truly do not loose any sleep over this what so ever.

abadfish · 02-16-2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mogulman

For that matter, neither do it...particularly in the case of any raised animal. There's nothing humane about death in the first. As far as I'm concerned, the only requirements should be keep the animal healthy (only because it would otherwise effect my health

) and JUICY!!

Ya, but I would feel a little better knowing the animal didn't suffer too much when it died, especially when i get full and throw half of it away...lol

It's possible to kill them humanely so why not.

It also applies to how they are kept and raised as well... a lot of times they are packed in tight cages and fed really shitty food. That definitely affects you.

Mr Pheer · 02-16-2005, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Heather Hamptons

lol if they feel no pain, then why do they scream when you put them in a pot of boiling water?

jesus fucking christ...

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Shaddam IV So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 810	PETA faggots OWNED - study finds that lobsters feel no pain when boiled AS IF PEOPLE GAVE A FLYING FUCK IN THE FIRST PLACE. http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science....ap/index.html PORTLAND, Maine (AP) -- A new study out of Norway concludes it's unlikely lobsters feel pain, stirring up a long-simmering debate over whether Maine's most valuable seafood suffers when it's being cooked. Animal activists for years have claimed that lobsters are in agony when being cooked, and that dropping one in a pot of boiling water is tantamount to torture. The study, funded by the Norwegian government and written by a scientist at the University of Oslo, suggests lobsters and other invertebrates such as crabs, snails and worms probably don't suffer even if lobsters do tend to thrash in boiling water. "Lobsters and crabs have some capacity of learning, but it is unlikely that they can feel pain," concluded the 39-page report, aimed at determining if creatures without backbones should be subject to animal welfare legislation as Norway revises its animal welfare law. Lobster biologists in Maine have maintained for years that the lobster's primitive nervous system and underdeveloped brain are similar to that of an insect. While lobsters react to different stimuli, such as boiling water, the reactions are escape mechanisms, not a conscious response or an indication of pain, they say. "It's a semantic thing: No brain, no pain," said Mike Loughlin, who studied the matter when he was a University of Maine graduate student and is now a biologist at the Maine Atlantic Salmon Commission. The Norwegian report also reinforces what people in the lobster industry have always contended, said Bob Bayer, executive director of the Lobster Institute, a research and education organization in Orono. "We've maintained all along that the lobster doesn't have the ability to process pain," Bayer said. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an animal rights organization based in Norfolk, Virginia, has made lobster pain part of its Fish Empathy Project, putting out stickers and pamphlets with slogans such as "Being Boiled Hurts. Let Lobsters Live." Group supporters regularly demonstrate at the Maine Lobster Festival in Rockland. PETA's Karin Robertson called the Norwegian study biased, saying the government doesn't want to hurt the country's fishing industry. "This is exactly like the tobacco industry claiming that smoking doesn't cause cancer," she said. Robertson said many scientists believe lobsters do feel pain. For instance, a zoologist with The Humane Society of the United States made a written declaration that lobsters can feel pain after a chef dismembered and sauteed a live lobster to prepare a Lobster Fra Diavolo dish on NBC's "Today" show in 1994. It's debatable whether the debate will ever be resolved. The Norwegian study, even while saying it's unlikely that crustaceans feel pain, also cautioned that more research is needed because there is a scarcity of scientific knowledge on the subject. And, many consumers will always hesitate at placing lobsters in boiling pots of water. New Englanders may feel comfortable cooking their lobsters, but people outside the region often feel uneasy about boiling a live creature, said Kristen Millar, executive director of the Maine Lobster Promotion Council. "Consumers don't generally greet and meet an animal before they eat it," she said.

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