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Kimmykim · 10-29-2001, 10:24 PM

I'd like someone to install it AFTER they record their dns entries.

Let me know the results please.

Due · 10-29-2001, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigDaddy:
http://www.thiefware.com/thief.ads/
Call any of the companies on this blacklist and see if they only got traffic from surfers with IE 5

Perhaps other have something that work for all browsers. But this one only work in IE

BigDaddy · 10-29-2001, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Due:
Perhaps other have something that work for all browsers. But this one only work in IE

OK

titmowse · 10-29-2001, 10:30 PM

I find their lack of specified information on exactly what their service does a bit suspicious.

If a local television affiliate station airs a local commercial on top of a Network specified commercial feed, they can get in trouble with their Network.

I'm sure there's a way these guys can be stopped or at least, regulated.

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BigDaddy · 10-29-2001, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse:

I'm sure there's a way these guys can be stopped or at least, regulated.

The Interactive Advertising Bureau was the first big player to start warning about this.
Gator is so sure there is nothing wrong with covering up webmaster's banners with their own they sued the IAB for bitching.
http://www.internetnews.com/IAR/arti...874391,00.html

That's balls.

Kimmykim · 10-29-2001, 10:41 PM

Um, the best defense in the American legal system is to sue first.

As long as you avoid discovery you might be ok.

titmowse · 10-29-2001, 10:45 PM

So basically what scumware technologists are using as an argument is that the USER is choosing WHICH ads they want to view by agreeing to install their software?

I wonder if the user knows that.

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Ludedude · 10-29-2001, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Due:
This is his E-mail he respond pretty fast also [email protected]
In his mail header: Received: from nealw (66-108-127-22.nyc.rr.com [66.108.127.22])

Interesting it's a Canadian domain, but that email is from NY City on Road Runner cable.

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[Labret] · 10-29-2001, 11:25 PM

Motherfucker one of my sites is on there.

Anyone have a physical address?

Violence is a viable alternative to the legal system.

Gary · 10-29-2001, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]:

Motherfucker one of my sites is on there.

Anyone have a physical address?

Violence is a viable alternative to the legal system.

Labret is correct.

JohnDenver · 10-30-2001, 12:04 AM

Speaking of malicious behavior...

I was shopping for domains awhile back and found a domain that wasn't registered. When I typed it into my browser I got sent to some live web site. FOR A DOMAIN THAT DIDN'T EXIST! I looked all over the web trying to find information on how it was happening since I had reset my defaults in I.E. and made sure I didn't have a 3rd party plug-in running on the machine.

And you won't believe how they were doing it. Apparently some sort of thing I ran on my machine had altered the IP for MS's auto.search.msn.com domain in my hosts config file on my winbox. Pretty clever of them.

Better check your hosts file, y'all.

BTW, John Denver is not dead. He's alive and well making porn sites.

kush · 10-30-2001, 01:09 AM

I'm on the list as well.....

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kush · 10-30-2001, 01:11 AM

What incentive does the user have to download this software?

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The Hun · 10-30-2001, 03:25 AM

Ok, don't get mad get even...

Gator is so sure that if a user agrees to what is happening it's ok to screw a third party (in this case the webmaster) out of their income.

Ok, if they're so sure about that let's switch this. I'll put a message up on my site that everybody that comes to my site downloads gator's programs/graphics/code/scripts without seeing anything of it. By Gator's standards that would be ok, 'cause it's in my small print. People saw me use the code before. I have no problem giving out a piece of JavaScript that will load stuff in the background, 'causing high bandwidth bills with no result for them at all. But by their standards this is cool.

I'm pretty sure that if enough of the big sites (if we can get a couple of free hosts and bigger sites that are abused by this we're talking a shitload of bandwidth), as soon as their bandwidth costs are going to get higher than what they make out of this they eventually have to give up. This could become a nice battle...

pr0view · 10-30-2001, 03:48 AM

what can i say? bravo, hun

it just takes the 10 biggest guys in this industry to unite aginst someone and he'll be seeing BW bills that'll make him forget quickly about any idea

if there is no legal way to stop that shit, let's do it the other way... img src is a nice thing and by their standards, it's supa-dupa OK to do that (if it's in your small print)...

JackFoley · 10-30-2001, 03:50 AM

John Denver, I had the same thing happen to me, I had to go into my registry and change my default search page back to normal.

2 days ago I downloaded (without knowing) an ActiveX script that changed my homepage and then changed my registry so that a.) I couldn't reset my homepage from the Internet Options window, and b.) I couldn't edit my registry to undo the homepage block. I spent 2 days searching for a way to fix the problem, I was ready to swim to China and kill the webmaster who had this on his site.

Instead, I loaded his site in the Hun's nice little JavaScript. I'm happy to say his server is no longer responding.

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TheRealEd · 10-30-2001, 04:49 AM

Fuck, my domain www.projectvoyeur.com is on the list also.... I get about 450,000 uniques per day... If we are all going to unite and fry this fucker then let me know what I need to do....

Terry
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Jer · 10-30-2001, 05:15 AM

The 2nd most visited brazilian domain is there too. Just wrote to let them know.

Due · 10-30-2001, 08:17 AM

His program is not very well thought through
It only works if you enter www.domain.com not as example www.domain.com/whatever.html.
It only works in IE5.5+ not any other browsers(but that is also most of the surfers)
He did not sounds like a typicly add sales person wich mean he is probably both the writer of the program the promoter of the program and also the sale person of the advertising campaigns that will be running on the program.
It looks like he just have a normal account with exxxit.com called "flash713" perhaps because he need fundings for his project? or perhaps exxxit is buying traffic and then counting the traffic also.
So far I think it is a one man show but can easily grow big in no time

Freeway · 10-30-2001, 08:23 AM

I have an idea. Lets get everyone switched over to XP and make the problem 10 times worse.

TheMan · 10-30-2001, 09:12 AM

Well I have 450k uniques to fry this fucker with. So everyone can count me in! Just e-mail me at [email protected] if something gets put together

TheMan

SleazyDream · 10-30-2001, 09:22 AM

Now here's an IDEA for those attending the TGP evening in Vegas.
When you think about it if you were to take just 5-10 of any of the guests attending we have the power to shut down almost any website on the planet using the 'get even' approach on overloading someone with useless traffic. With the amount of times we have been ripped off from people who steal, cheat, lie and basically try to fuck us over it's time maybe that when we all meet in person we talk about setting up a type of blacklist for people who screw us over that involves some REAL POWER - the ability to shut down any website.

TheRealEd · 10-30-2001, 09:26 AM

Well Sleazy, you can count me in for a mutual 'fry the fuckers' e-War

This cunt is screwing most of the big boys. Why are we still talking about this? Let's get this thing going now and it will all be over within 24hrs :-)

Terry www.projectvoyeur.com

wiZd0m · 10-30-2001, 09:34 AM

Although what they do is unthetical and probably illegal under the Fair Trades Laws and TradeMark Laws. Going the way of Distributed Denial of service Attack will have you all shutdown by the FBI and Ash*****. What you guys intent to do is now an act of terrorist under the new laws they passed.

Playboy and Hustler are on that list as well. If you have a Trade Mark on your domain, then your keywords should be protected because they can't use your name to make money without your aproval.

Send in the Suits, when they see it will cost more in legal action then advertising revenues, they will settle because their shareholders will be very unhappy.

As for your DDoS, once they filter traffic at the router from your IP's, what will you do after that?

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FADE19 · 10-30-2001, 09:54 AM

Interesting that "The Hun" is not it??

SleazyDream · 10-30-2001, 09:54 AM

yup - that makes about as much sense as calling the USA terrorists for attacking the poor innocent little muslems of the taliban.

Amputate Your Head · 10-30-2001, 09:57 AM

Wizdom's right.... if you guys here in the US are contemplating playing around with shit like organized DOSing, you're bound to find yourself in a nice little cell with a roommate named Jacko for a long time. The FBI doesn't fuck around with shit like that. Great idea, and I'm all for gettin' even with fuckers... but still highly illegal. You'd probably do less damage to yourselves if you stole a car.

SleazyDream · 10-30-2001, 10:23 AM

Strange world we live in - it's ok for someone to steal from me but it's not ok for me to stop them from stealing from me.... It would wind up in court but they would loose because the basis of their claim is that they want to stay in business to steal from me.

It's like saying you can't hit someone who's trying to kidnap you.

It's like saying you can't stop a burgler from entering your home and leaving with all your goods. If someone's intent is to commit a crime against you you are legally empowered to use FORCE to stop them. Some might call it self-defense.

If it was used to extort or threaten it would be a different story, but used to stop a THEIF who's sole intent is ROBBING me of my clients and stealing my bandwidth and hard work is an issue that wouldn't stand up in ANY court if the theif tried to sue me for attempting to stop him.

SleazyDream · 10-30-2001, 10:29 AM

Intent is the basis of REAL law. Too many idiot lawyers get caught up in the technical wording of the law and loose sight of what the LAW really exists for - that's why a case can be appealed and taken to a higher court.
If one's INTENT is to steal - no law will protect you in the end. (both side's lawyers' ability being equal of course)

Techie Media · 10-30-2001, 10:32 AM

I'am with Wizdom on this one. I have all my Hosts listed on that site. But fightning evil with evil is not the right way to go here. I believe Kimmy posted here that this is a legal battle, and I have to agree. Img src'ing someone is fun, but is not really the right way to go. I'am open to suggestions more in line with a class action law suit ??

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Kimmykim · 10-30-2001, 10:51 AM

One of the biggest issues with this whole fucked up mess is that it only involves porn at the moment.

If this jackass was attempting to subvert traffic from Yahoo, Ebay, ESPN, they would get their legal departments hopping producing one injunction after another.

HOWEVER -- since its porn that's affected, the WORST thing that could happen is for people who's sites are being stolen this way to attempt some sort of DOS attack -- the headline would read something like this --

Porn Peddlers Attack Software Developers

and then the sentiment, both publicly and probably judicially, would be for the guy who's behind the whole thing -- INSTEAD of for the people who are being cheated this way.

I've discussed this last night with several sponsors and intend to talk more about it with them today. I've no doubt in my mind that they will be calling these guys and if things don't go well, their lawyers will be calling him next.

Paul -C- · 10-30-2001, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
One of the biggest issues with this whole fucked up mess is that it only involves porn at the moment.

Hey Kimmykim check out this url: http://www.flashtrack.net/target_urls/businessurls.php
It's not just adult sites - all the big companys are in there: Visa, Mastercard etc etc

Paul -C- · 10-30-2001, 11:56 AM

Here's a full category listing of sites they "sell" ad space on:
http://www.flashtrack.net/target_urls/

Amputate Your Head · 10-30-2001, 11:59 AM

Sleazy... I understand everyone's frustration, and not many of us have huge legal teams to go after those assholes, but DOSing someone because you're pissed will not be looked lightly upon for any reason. It will be seen as an outright and malicious attack intended to disrupt someone's business. You can color it any way you like, but I'm tellin' ya.... listen to KK, Lightning, wizdom, and the rest of the voices of reason when you start thinking of doing shit that IS illegal. Doesn't matter if he's stealing from you. If someone robs your liquor store, the law says you can't go and rob his house to get even. No matter how pissed off you may be about it.

Just statin' the facts.

Kimmykim · 10-30-2001, 12:04 PM

My first suggestion is for everyone who is affected to email both McAfee and Norton, asking that this software be investigated as a potential virus.

I would NOT suggest you tell Norton or McAfee that they are stealing your porn traffic, I'd approach it as an "I have these ads popping up and I never agreed to put this stuff on my computer, what can I do?"

As a billing company, my complaint to Norton and McAfee will be slightly different, but they will have it by the end of the day.

If it were to be classified as viral then at least when it tried to install on computers the surfer would get a virus warning. Not saying it will happen but it's in all our best interests to try and put a stop to it.

Paul -C- · 10-30-2001, 12:11 PM

The best thing to do is inform all the big companies who they are selling ad space on and let them know. Let companies like Playboy, Yahoo, Visa and AOL sue them in the courts.

Kimmykim · 10-30-2001, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paul -C-:
The best thing to do is inform all the big companies who they are selling ad space on and let them know. Let companies like Playboy, Yahoo, Visa and AOL sue them in the courts.

Sorry, but I don't agree.

Anything and everything that is legal is an option.

ADL Colin · 10-30-2001, 12:30 PM

Yeah .. they have me in there too. Fucks!

Paul -C- · 10-30-2001, 12:39 PM

You don't agree that we should inform the massive companies about this?

Yahoo, AOL and Visa etc are in the same position as us so it won't be long before they take these scumware authors to court.

[Dan] · 10-30-2001, 12:46 PM

I've got about 5 domains listed there also. Damn what's next, I'm gonna have to pay them to advertise my own site when somebody tries to view it??

Sounds like internet maffia!

Kimmykim · 10-30-2001, 12:54 PM

I didn't say Don't inform them -- I simply said all the options that are legal, including that one, should be excercised.

At least one sponsor has some tech people looking at it to find a way to defeat it with technology.

Rocky · 10-30-2001, 12:58 PM

i have two domains that are on this list

and i will follow whatever course of action seems most effective

wiZd0m · 10-30-2001, 01:00 PM

McAfee will not do anythinghm, they like the technology too much.
http://www.thiefware.com/thief.ads/ads.toptext.htm

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wiZd0m · 10-30-2001, 01:02 PM

Aparently Zone Alarm defeats any of these ads program.
http://www.thiefware.com/ap/

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wiZd0m · 10-30-2001, 01:03 PM

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SleazyDream · 10-30-2001, 01:58 PM

overloading a server that is stealing from you is not the same thing as stealing from the theif. It's preventing further theft. If I put ads on his site that would be stealing. TO use you liquer store example amp - I would be doing the same thing a having a cage within my store that holds criminals till they release my booze or the police arrive.

Amputate Your Head · 10-30-2001, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
It's preventing further theft.

Tell that to the Judge when the hosting company sues you for damages.

Kimmykim · 10-30-2001, 02:07 PM

Sleazy -- you go ahead and img source em -- we'll all send you soap on a rope when you are sitting in jail.

Sexplex · 10-30-2001, 02:16 PM

So if exxxit.com is buying all of the ad space for this software than why doesnt someone just buy all the advertising for space (in the software) over exxxit.com rendering that space worthless to them or anyone else who purchases it...

- Sexplex

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quiet · 10-30-2001, 02:18 PM

I fired off an email to this guy last night. Has anyone besides Due heard back from them?

10-29-2001, 10:24 PM	#51
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I'd like someone to install it AFTER they record their dns entries. Let me know the results please.

10-29-2001, 10:30 PM	#54
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	I find their lack of specified information on exactly what their service does a bit suspicious. If a local television affiliate station airs a local commercial on top of a Network specified commercial feed, they can get in trouble with their Network. I'm sure there's a way these guys can be stopped or at least, regulated. love ------------------ tit, writer for: COZYFROG Submit your Free site, TGP or TGP2 gallery to the MowseBytes Newsletter BONEPRONE 4 LIFE

10-29-2001, 10:41 PM	#56
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Um, the best defense in the American legal system is to sue first. As long as you avoid discovery you might be ok.

10-29-2001, 10:45 PM	#57
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	So basically what scumware technologists are using as an argument is that the USER is choosing WHICH ads they want to view by agreeing to install their software? I wonder if the user knows that. love ------------------ tit, writer for: COZYFROG Submit your Free site, TGP or TGP2 gallery to the MowseBytes Newsletter BONEPRONE 4 LIFE

10-29-2001, 11:25 PM	#59
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Motherfucker one of my sites is on there. Anyone have a physical address? Violence is a viable alternative to the legal system.

10-30-2001, 12:04 AM	#61
JohnDenver Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 10	Speaking of malicious behavior... I was shopping for domains awhile back and found a domain that wasn't registered. When I typed it into my browser I got sent to some live web site. FOR A DOMAIN THAT DIDN'T EXIST! I looked all over the web trying to find information on how it was happening since I had reset my defaults in I.E. and made sure I didn't have a 3rd party plug-in running on the machine. And you won't believe how they were doing it. Apparently some sort of thing I ran on my machine had altered the IP for MS's auto.search.msn.com domain in my hosts config file on my winbox. Pretty clever of them. Better check your hosts file, y'all. BTW, John Denver is not dead. He's alive and well making porn sites.

10-30-2001, 01:09 AM	#62
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	I'm on the list as well..... ------------------ Webmaster's Page - Tips, tricks, and more, Kush style! Sponsor's page- Organized, honest info including my comments If you're ever in Austin look me up! If you want to trade small amounts of VERY HIGH quality traffic contact me!

10-30-2001, 01:11 AM	#63
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	What incentive does the user have to download this software? ------------------ Webmaster's Page - Tips, tricks, and more, Kush style! Sponsor's page- Organized, honest info including my comments If you're ever in Austin look me up! If you want to trade small amounts of VERY HIGH quality traffic contact me!

10-30-2001, 03:25 AM	#64
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Ok, don't get mad get even... Gator is so sure that if a user agrees to what is happening it's ok to screw a third party (in this case the webmaster) out of their income. Ok, if they're so sure about that let's switch this. I'll put a message up on my site that everybody that comes to my site downloads gator's programs/graphics/code/scripts without seeing anything of it. By Gator's standards that would be ok, 'cause it's in my small print. People saw me use the code before. I have no problem giving out a piece of JavaScript that will load stuff in the background, 'causing high bandwidth bills with no result for them at all. But by their standards this is cool. I'm pretty sure that if enough of the big sites (if we can get a couple of free hosts and bigger sites that are abused by this we're talking a shitload of bandwidth), as soon as their bandwidth costs are going to get higher than what they make out of this they eventually have to give up. This could become a nice battle...

10-30-2001, 03:48 AM	#65
pr0view Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 270	what can i say? bravo, hun it just takes the 10 biggest guys in this industry to unite aginst someone and he'll be seeing BW bills that'll make him forget quickly about any idea if there is no legal way to stop that shit, let's do it the other way... img src is a nice thing and by their standards, it's supa-dupa OK to do that (if it's in your small print)...

10-30-2001, 03:50 AM	#66
JackFoley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Pac-land Posts: 858	John Denver, I had the same thing happen to me, I had to go into my registry and change my default search page back to normal. 2 days ago I downloaded (without knowing) an ActiveX script that changed my homepage and then changed my registry so that a.) I couldn't reset my homepage from the Internet Options window, and b.) I couldn't edit my registry to undo the homepage block. I spent 2 days searching for a way to fix the problem, I was ready to swim to China and kill the webmaster who had this on his site. Instead, I loaded his site in the Hun's nice little JavaScript. I'm happy to say his server is no longer responding. ------------------ Plenty of wheat to go around.

10-30-2001, 04:49 AM	#67
TheRealEd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 127	Fuck, my domain www.projectvoyeur.com is on the list also.... I get about 450,000 uniques per day... If we are all going to unite and fry this fucker then let me know what I need to do.... Terry [email protected]

10-30-2001, 05:15 AM	#68
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	The 2nd most visited brazilian domain is there too. Just wrote to let them know.

10-30-2001, 08:17 AM	#69
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	His program is not very well thought through It only works if you enter www.domain.com not as example www.domain.com/whatever.html. It only works in IE5.5+ not any other browsers(but that is also most of the surfers) He did not sounds like a typicly add sales person wich mean he is probably both the writer of the program the promoter of the program and also the sale person of the advertising campaigns that will be running on the program. It looks like he just have a normal account with exxxit.com called "flash713" perhaps because he need fundings for his project? or perhaps exxxit is buying traffic and then counting the traffic also. So far I think it is a one man show but can easily grow big in no time

10-30-2001, 08:23 AM	#70
Freeway Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: EU Posts: 441	I have an idea. Lets get everyone switched over to XP and make the problem 10 times worse.

10-30-2001, 09:12 AM	#71
TheMan Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 734	Well I have 450k uniques to fry this fucker with. So everyone can count me in! Just e-mail me at [email protected] if something gets put together TheMan

10-30-2001, 09:22 AM	#72
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Now here's an IDEA for those attending the TGP evening in Vegas. When you think about it if you were to take just 5-10 of any of the guests attending we have the power to shut down almost any website on the planet using the 'get even' approach on overloading someone with useless traffic. With the amount of times we have been ripped off from people who steal, cheat, lie and basically try to fuck us over it's time maybe that when we all meet in person we talk about setting up a type of blacklist for people who screw us over that involves some REAL POWER - the ability to shut down any website.

10-30-2001, 09:26 AM	#73
TheRealEd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 127	Well Sleazy, you can count me in for a mutual 'fry the fuckers' e-War This cunt is screwing most of the big boys. Why are we still talking about this? Let's get this thing going now and it will all be over within 24hrs :-) Terry www.projectvoyeur.com

10-30-2001, 09:34 AM	#74
wiZd0m Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,526	Although what they do is unthetical and probably illegal under the Fair Trades Laws and TradeMark Laws. Going the way of Distributed Denial of service Attack will have you all shutdown by the FBI and Ash*****. What you guys intent to do is now an act of terrorist under the new laws they passed. Playboy and Hustler are on that list as well. If you have a Trade Mark on your domain, then your keywords should be protected because they can't use your name to make money without your aproval. Send in the Suits, when they see it will cost more in legal action then advertising revenues, they will settle because their shareholders will be very unhappy. As for your DDoS, once they filter traffic at the router from your IP's, what will you do after that? ------------------ wiZd0m Thunder Free Adult Hosting - Fastest servers in the industry Fortune Pussy Adult Links - The best in adult links

10-30-2001, 09:54 AM	#75
FADE19 Snow's Parole Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: mud hut next to Bin Laden's Posts: 1,161	Interesting that "The Hun" is not it??

10-30-2001, 09:57 AM	#77
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Wizdom's right.... if you guys here in the US are contemplating playing around with shit like organized DOSing, you're bound to find yourself in a nice little cell with a roommate named Jacko for a long time. The FBI doesn't fuck around with shit like that. Great idea, and I'm all for gettin' even with fuckers... but still highly illegal. You'd probably do less damage to yourselves if you stole a car.

10-30-2001, 10:23 AM	#78
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Strange world we live in - it's ok for someone to steal from me but it's not ok for me to stop them from stealing from me.... It would wind up in court but they would loose because the basis of their claim is that they want to stay in business to steal from me. It's like saying you can't hit someone who's trying to kidnap you. It's like saying you can't stop a burgler from entering your home and leaving with all your goods. If someone's intent is to commit a crime against you you are legally empowered to use FORCE to stop them. Some might call it self-defense. If it was used to extort or threaten it would be a different story, but used to stop a THEIF who's sole intent is ROBBING me of my clients and stealing my bandwidth and hard work is an issue that wouldn't stand up in ANY court if the theif tried to sue me for attempting to stop him.

10-30-2001, 10:29 AM	#79
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Intent is the basis of REAL law. Too many idiot lawyers get caught up in the technical wording of the law and loose sight of what the LAW really exists for - that's why a case can be appealed and taken to a higher court. If one's INTENT is to steal - no law will protect you in the end. (both side's lawyers' ability being equal of course)

10-30-2001, 10:32 AM	#80
Techie Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,092	I'am with Wizdom on this one. I have all my Hosts listed on that site. But fightning evil with evil is not the right way to go here. I believe Kimmy posted here that this is a legal battle, and I have to agree. Img src'ing someone is fun, but is not really the right way to go. I'am open to suggestions more in line with a class action law suit ?? ------------------ Smile and Be Happy Lightning Free Hosting Gay Free Hosting Girls Host

10-30-2001, 10:51 AM	#81
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	One of the biggest issues with this whole fucked up mess is that it only involves porn at the moment. If this jackass was attempting to subvert traffic from Yahoo, Ebay, ESPN, they would get their legal departments hopping producing one injunction after another. HOWEVER -- since its porn that's affected, the WORST thing that could happen is for people who's sites are being stolen this way to attempt some sort of DOS attack -- the headline would read something like this -- Porn Peddlers Attack Software Developers and then the sentiment, both publicly and probably judicially, would be for the guy who's behind the whole thing -- INSTEAD of for the people who are being cheated this way. I've discussed this last night with several sponsors and intend to talk more about it with them today. I've no doubt in my mind that they will be calling these guys and if things don't go well, their lawyers will be calling him next.

10-30-2001, 11:56 AM	#83
Paul -C- Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,255	Here's a full category listing of sites they "sell" ad space on: http://www.flashtrack.net/target_urls/

10-30-2001, 11:59 AM	#84
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Sleazy... I understand everyone's frustration, and not many of us have huge legal teams to go after those assholes, but DOSing someone because you're pissed will not be looked lightly upon for any reason. It will be seen as an outright and malicious attack intended to disrupt someone's business. You can color it any way you like, but I'm tellin' ya.... listen to KK, Lightning, wizdom, and the rest of the voices of reason when you start thinking of doing shit that IS illegal. Doesn't matter if he's stealing from you. If someone robs your liquor store, the law says you can't go and rob his house to get even. No matter how pissed off you may be about it. Just statin' the facts.

10-30-2001, 12:04 PM	#85
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	My first suggestion is for everyone who is affected to email both McAfee and Norton, asking that this software be investigated as a potential virus. I would NOT suggest you tell Norton or McAfee that they are stealing your porn traffic, I'd approach it as an "I have these ads popping up and I never agreed to put this stuff on my computer, what can I do?" As a billing company, my complaint to Norton and McAfee will be slightly different, but they will have it by the end of the day. If it were to be classified as viral then at least when it tried to install on computers the surfer would get a virus warning. Not saying it will happen but it's in all our best interests to try and put a stop to it.

10-30-2001, 12:11 PM	#86
Paul -C- Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,255	The best thing to do is inform all the big companies who they are selling ad space on and let them know. Let companies like Playboy, Yahoo, Visa and AOL sue them in the courts.

10-30-2001, 12:30 PM	#88
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	Yeah .. they have me in there too. Fucks!