Actually, she is not very pissed about it. I was just speaking to her. She was concerned and will never work with them again but she is not overly pissed off. She said that "for girls with more experience, that it may have been ok." This just backs up my thoughts about knowing how to read the girls you are working with . Everybody has their own comfort level.

On an interesting note... I was out to dinner with a client last night and I mentioned this thread. Without knowing what board I was talking about, he said "it sounds like a bunch of young webmasters" he went on to specifically mention this board and 2 others. He also suggested that I review the replies again to see how many of the asshole replies were webmasters and how many were content providers. Guess what I found?

Why is it that the people who rarely deal with the girls have so much fucked up shit to say on this subject? <---Retorical question

Sorry for the big word AMP. You can feel free to look it up.

Please identify what it is I said that you consider to be "fucked up". Everything I've said is straight outta the book of Applied Reality & Common Sense. I've seen people get fucked over many times, and have been fucked over myself a few as well. I don't play "feel good" cry-for-my-poor-uneducated-sister games. If she learned from her experience, then great. If the guy is doing something illegal, shut him down. If he's just an ass, spread the word and his business will either adapt or go under. If you got a problem with me in particular, state it instead of making a bunch of childish fucking inuendos or get off my back. I'm a busy man.

Where does my last post say that you made a fucked up comment? I do not recall anything you have said to be truely fucked up. You may have a different point of view but that is not fucked up. I was referring to the people who wish to buy tickets and who made other disrespectful comments about models. We all know they were kidding but it was not funny.

As for having a problem with you... I think your views are fair but a bit out of wack at the same time. The bottom line here is that you do not support how she was treated. This makes you a good man in my book. The only reason I am giving you a hard time is because this girl is very intelligent, more so than any other model I have worked with, and you keep suggesting that she is not.

I do not feel that my comments were childish either. I think they were kinda clever. It is not my fault that they were over your head. Case in point... had you bothered to look up the word "Retorical" you most likely would not have replied to the post. This is not about you or me. This is about how people treat models and what they think of them in general.

Just a thought -- she could be using your sympathy against you. Even 18 y/o's know that they can mind fuck just about any guy. Don't trust women. They don't have a penis -- so they fuck us in other ways.

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Fair enough... I can live with that.

just my take on the subject,

I saw with my own eyes how girls get abused in this industry(by the wrong people). I have seen where they ended up and I have one thing to say: 'respect these girls' and protect them! cause if you don't some asshole WILL take advantage of here and the weak position she's often in (lack of money, drug problems, etc.)

It is our moral duty to watch over these girls and watch out for thes practices, as we are the only ones with some power and influence.

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By the way, you folks that think this is not rape should read the definition:

Main Entry: 2rape
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): raped; rap·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin rapere
Date: 14th century
1 a archaic : to seize and take away by force b : DESPOIL
2 : to commit rape on

To seize and take away by force - Wasn't the girls trust violated, thus taking it away. And don't by force because she had no knowledge of it?

You decide

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Well, if that's your definition and application of the word, then Microsoft has been raping us all for years.

so now I'm confused.
Can I or can't I have pony rides in the back yard for my kid's birthday?

Yes. Yes you can. So let it be written, so let it be done, and pony rides for all.

Finally, something in this thread that is debatable.

Would you be willing to settle for 3 donkeys, 1 monkey, and Gary for a half hour?

Is Gary limited to the half hour or are the donkeys and monkey also on the same time limit?

ehhe wanna add this thread is this weeks dvd winner thread

I've seen some pretty objectionable shit here, but now AaronM goes and quotes Mark Harmon from "Summer School."

Now THAT is just unacceptable.

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No problem. You're forgiven, because, out of all the lame lines in that forgettable movie, you hit on one of the keepers.

Wow.. It almost sounds like we are in the "exploitation industry"


Imagine that.

Hey BP, glad to see you crawl out from that rock and get involved. Let me provide you with a basic definition of the word exploiation:

"Utilization of another person or group for selfish purposes: exploitation of unwary consumers."

Using this definition, the models would be considered the unwary party. I do not believe in having the people I work with unwary of what is going on.

Feel free to market your sites as you see fit but keep in mind that by "exploiting" people, your are only looking for legal troubles. That would mean more community service for you Pronebone.

If you want to write crap about exploitation then I suggest you quit the web business and get into journalism.

This deserves a bump.

Not really.

But, uh, we didn't know until later. WHAT made you assume otherwise?

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She's just 18. What she didn't know (yet, in her naivetee) is what I've now started to tell her: There are a lot of foul people in this business who wouldn't hesitate an instant to screw her over.

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Originally posted by CDSmith:
These women are the absolute backbone of the industry. Without them, with no gorgeous women that are willing to do the things that men everywhere want to see (and women), there would BE no adult industry, period. In light of that fact, these women need and deserve to be treated with some respect.
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I think this is it in a nutshell. What I find so distressing about this discussion is that, apparently, many of you guys are in this business to hang around ho's. You're in the business of putting up sites that display ho's. And ho's deserve no consideration. Well, let me tell you, most of the girls I work with aren't ho's, they are exhibitionists. And you're pretty unsophisticated and sexually naive if you don't understand the distinction.

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Well, isn't it nice to second-guess an 18 year old? When I work with a young girl who's just starting out, unlike these guys, I assume a caretaker and guidance role; I don't think it's an excuse to either screw her over or let her be screwed over.

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But, you are missing the point that SHE ALSO DID A JOB SHE WAS NOT PAID FOR, AND WITHOUT BEING TOLD! GET IT?


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Once again: 18 year old girl. Used to being deferential to adults most of her life.

Also once again, I didn't hear about the weird situation until she told me about it. And the actual truth came from a third party even later. What? Do you think I would have sent her into that situation. I'm insulted you can even consider the notion.

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And another reason why I never respond to your attempts to get me to join your incredibly stupid "family," which seems to require someone to have an IQ of 92 to join it.

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unseen these guys are fucked up i admit that but you are fucked up even more than that.

First you bring a young naive little girl into the porn bussiness and then you pretend to be some kind of damn caretaker.

porn bussiness is about porn and being fucked in the ass most of the times. Thats what she has aparently got this time: a good fuck in the ass.

naive kid? What do naive kids do in front of the camera with their pussy wide open? Let her go sell hamburgers or something.

By no ways i support these assholes who took advantage of this situation, but its 90% her own fault.

This is not true... 90% of the poeple in this biz... don;t fuck you.. they work a business like everyone else. its jsut that the 10% of the assholes in the biz give the rest of us a bad fuckin name



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The girl is responsible for her actions, even though she's young and inexperienced, but the older, more experienced guys aren't..? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/rolleyes.gif

she was NOT forced to do anything.

she could have walked away.

If she is experienced enough to fuck around in front of the camera she is definately experienced enough to get up and walk the fuck away if she did not like it.

These guys are responsible for what they did and maybe its illegal or something. They are scum and they make me sick, just dont be telling me there was nothing that "poor child" could do about it.

cyberpunk i dont defend these idiots.
However im getting sick of bullshit like "oh what a poor inexperienced child, how could they to it to her..."

Porn brings good cash. You want a cut from that cash be ready to defend your positions. Other wise what is she doing here?

she likes the money but she does not like the trouble it brings, oh what a shock!

Maybe some of you heroes would like to donate to that girl just to compensate the psychological trauma she was forced to experience?

Some people just don't get it. Where has ANYBODY said ANYTHING about "poor little girl?" I'll tell you where... only in the replies like the last one. I do not feel sorry for her at all. She learned a lesson and life will go on.

This tread is about snakes in the business and the shoot in question was used as an example. I guess it hit a nerve with a few of the snakes on this board. Deal with it.

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Well, this sounds alot like "Help me, help me... fix my broken wing" to me.
If that ain't cryin' about the "poor little girl" then I guess I don't know what cryin' is. Yet, even more of it:

Well, ya know what? When I was 18, the world was bitch slappin' me in the fucking face. Time to grow up people. You ain't suckin' on mama's tit no more. If you can't handle playing in the adult world (and I do not mean the adult industry, I mean the adult WORLD), then you should probably go back to mom & dad's house for a few more years and figure it out. Boo... fucking... hoo. Life is a fuckin' bitch. Adapt or be used your entire life.

As far as I'm concerned, this thread was started about the "snakes" who took advantage of a situation, but somehow it was turned around to target the girl. You can read whatever you like into that.

Well that's the easy one. If the guy is a shit, post his name and business for all to see, thus providing fair warning, and don't do business with him.

But that's not the case... is it. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Don't overestimate here.

AMEN!

You and Kimmykim took the words right out of my mouth.

Well I am done posting for a few hours. I will check back and see what other shit has been stirred up after I get settled into my hotel room. See you in Vegas Kimmykim. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif