If she expected a closed set and it wasn't, SHE SHOULD HAVE WALKED!!!

And just because she's broke is no excuse. If she didn't wanna do the shoot.... walk the fuck out. Problem solved. She chose to stay.

I want to shake your hand. Will yo be in Vegas for either show?

So fucking what? She should not have been treated like this in the first place. If she had walked, we would still be discussing the fact that they misled and inconvenienced her.

So she would have been inconvenienced... well boo-fucking-hoo... I'm fucking inconvenienced every goddamned day of my fucking life.

Lets not forget about the misled part. They lied about what they wanted to shoot and they lie about the pay. This is what upsets me. What is wrong with being honest from the start? Why is it so hard for you to see this? I challenge anybody to find a model that Unseen or I have worked with that will give either of us a bad reference.

Look bro.... no one is arguing that the guy obviously has some shady business practices. But do you honestly think this is some kinda new phenomenon? So he's a fuckstick. Get over it. People get fucked at the drivethru at Burger King every day of the week.

Ever driven a long way for a job interview or something, only to find out the pay or benefits weren't what you were expecting? And did you take the fucking job anyway just because you had to drive for 20 minutes to get there and didn't want it to be a wasted trip? Get a fucking grip on yourself man...

No... I agree... no one should be misled or inconvenienced ever anywhere. But this is still Planet Earth. It happens all the time. And just because it happened in our industry all the sudden the fucking sky is falling.

What if she had walked out? What about the photographers inconvenience then? After he's set everything up in preparation? Are we going to cry for him too? "Lousy fuckin' model wouldn't go through with the shoot..."

Sure... she got misled. Again... no one forced her to do the fucking job.

Stupid is as stupid does.

cdsmith you are entirely right -- these girls do make us plenty of money.

Nothing bugs me like a hypocrite and it seems there are quite a few of them posting here.

Sadly no, not this time around. Possibly the following one, maybe towards the spring or summer, but not this one.

And I'd enjoy meeting you and some others very much.

Kimmy -- Yes, we do make a lot of money off of the models, definitely. I guess to further my point I would suggest that we treat everyone with respect, not just those we depend on for content.

Respect seems to be a concept that is lost on some people. The company in the above case seems to lack it completely.
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My auto-repair company tried to fuck me over once... (for real).. ONCE. Here's how I fixed it:

#1. First thing I did was make damn sure I got satisfaction instead of getting fucked.

#2. The second thing I did was to never go back to the cheatin' fuckers ever again.

#3. Third thing I did was give serious warnings about them to everyone, everytime, everywhere the subject came up.

This is not a hard frame of mind or objective to obtain... all that is required is a firm resolution to not be bent over by everyone and used as a fucking doormat.

I agree with everything in this reply except the bit about the photographer. No we should not be concerned about him at all. He is the one who fucked up first.

I am not as concerned about the treatment she received as I am about the lack of support for the model and Unseen. He is %100 right in his post. This model, and all other models have received more disrespect here than she did from the photographer. As CDSmith said, these girls are the backbone or our industry. It surprises me how many people here find it acceptable to bite the hand that feeds them.

That pretty much sums it up as far as I am concerned.

I was just goin' extreme there for the sake of... something..

although (not this particular situation) this shit happens to photographers too... every have a model show up for a shoot and go to make a scan of her ID only to find out she's 17? The whole day is fucked from that point on. (unless you're a golfer... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif )

All I'm sayin' is that people everywhere get screwed. The guy in question is undoubtedly an ass. But a legal one. The girl was either desperate for cash or very very stupid if she didn;t wanna do it and did it anyway. Either way... she owns that one. We can't babysit everyone. And especially if they're of legal enough age to be doing photo shoots in the first place.

I blame them both.
Photographer is a shit + girl was uneducated or desperate = one crappy deal.

In the end, the girl will be wiser, (hopefully), and enough word will spread that the guy will change his practices or move on to doing something else. (Models especially have a huge network of word-of-mouth referrals)

I have read all the posts, and came to this conclusion...Amp is right, and so is Bryany...

The deal is the chic was given a job..she was paid..get on with life...ya there may have been some unforeseen issues regarding who was there, but it's not a perfect world. It's the damn PORN biz, the pictures she was taking where for entertainment..no one was holding a damn gun to her head...

She learned a lesson, I am sure. She will smarten up and it won't happen again...As with life we all(well most) learn from our mistakes. That is most likely why Labret was an only child http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

I'm always right... I'm 12clicks' evil bastard spawn. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

I don't know why you didn't give this model a heads up on the assholes running that show. You knew they were dicks, and sent a timid young kid over there? And you're pissed at smart ass webmasters joking about buying tickets? (this is GFY, not a MENSA convention). I think you are lashing out in anger to compensate for your guilt. Yeah, GUILT. You let that kid go over there to be exploited.

If I see a buddy of mine is trading traffic with a hitbot user, I tip him off. If I see a buddy is using a lame ass sponsor, I tip him off. And vice versa. You should have done the same. Do you think this kid is going to be trusting you? You don't think she's wondering why you didn't spell it out in small words and big letters? I know I am.

Straight up Steve.

(and lmmfao @ MENSA...) http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

"I'm always right... I'm 12clicks' evil bastard spawn"

Ahhhhh Proof that cloning is a mistake! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

I'm not saying that the photographer was right but she should have left if she was not comfortable with anything.

And if the guy really is an asshole and you
know he's done shit like this in the past...
then you two (Aaron and Unseen) are partly
to blame for letting this girl go into that
situation. You said the two of you were looking out for her, right? Where were ya on that one?

And Unseen, wasn't just a few months ago that you were complaining that women were racist cause they wanted to get paid more for having sex with Black men?? Doesn't sit well with you complaining that she didn't get paid more for other people simply watching.

I hate to see someone get taken advantage of but this time it looks like she could have simply said "NO".

Finally, a post that can make me feel proud to be part of the adult industry. It's a comforting feeling to know that our industry does have morals, ethics and human compassion.

To those of you how said such things as
"And just because she's broke is no excuse. If she didn't wanna do the shoot.... walk the fuck out. Problem solved. She chose to stay"...

I would like to ask how long you stayed in a job that you didn't particularily like before starting in this business. And how many of your friends complain that they hate their jobs. What don't they just walk away... Why, because it's simply not that easy.

My biggest worry...someday a journalist will get onto this board and quote some of the entries on this board in the media. I doubt that the public will be very sympathetic to our industry when they get wind of our "it's a tough life...deal with it" attitudes.

Actually, yes it is. I discovered this a few years ago... I hated my fucking job more than anything else on Earth. Halfway through the day, I went into the office, tossed the keys on the desk, and told the boss I was going to play golf. Indefinitely. He was out in the middle of the street with the most fucking hilarious look of bewilderment on his face I ever seen as I was haulin' ass down the road in my Z.

And I never looked back. It IS just that easy. And if someone doesn't have the fuckin' dignity or common sense to trake matters into their own hands in a shitty situation, then they will forever be walked upon by the predators in this world. And I have no fucking sympathy.... because I've been there.

#4 -- burn the place down in the wee hours of the night?

Thank you - very well put.

Cheers

btw, you want a good girl manager that will get your girls work, and has had a fox news documentary done on his work email [email protected]

Aaron's comment to child porn was not the majority of his argument, and shouldn't be used solely to judge him..

Cheers

I do not think that this is a valid point. I heard rumors and I made her aware of them. I did not tell her how to run her life and I did not run my mouth about something I had no PERSONAL experience with.

I do not feel guilty about a damn thing. This girl resonded to MY ad. I referred her to Unseen not to these other assholes. I told her what I had heard about them before she even knew they existed. I was not even aware that she worked with them until Unseen informed me.

You are all right that she could have walked away. This is not the point though.

Tenletters, don't be so quick to point a finger and us. What do you expect us to do? She made her own decision. How am I supposed to change her mind about working with somebody that I was not even aware she was considering working with. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say I do not run my mouth without knowing all the facts or had personal experience with the situation.

When I was told about these guys by other models, I did not know the other girls as well as I know this one. I had no reason to to believe or disbelieve them. I simply made a mental note of it. Now I have no doubt about them and I will strongly express my feelings in the future.

Sorry, Aaron, it's my opinion and if you don't like it.. tough shit.

I did not attack you. You are welcome to your opinion as is everbody else.

The smarter people in this world get all the facts in order to avoid stating a fucked up opinion that could make themselves look like an asshole though. Now that you have replied to my relpy, I have the facts on you. You are a prick. no offense... that is just MY opinion. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

So then she's not some innocent "victim" here... she just made a lousy business deal.

I never said she was an innocent victim. I said the way she was treated is fucked up and anybody who thinks otherwise is a prick. How much more clear can I make this?

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Okay, Aaron... please accept my apology as it looked like an attack to me.

Oh, and I did base my opinion on facts and stated "if" when basing my opinion.

I never said you were to blame... I said "if" you knew then you were to blame. You have since stated that you had only heard rumors.

And take back the "you're a prick" statement. It hurt my feelings, haha.

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I am sorry you are a prick. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Seriously though, if this is where you stand then I do take it back. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding.

If anybody cares, I just called the guy that did the shoot in question. I told him what I have seen and heard and put his ass right on the spot. He tells me that they do not and have not ever sold tickets or let their members or friends attend a shoot. I do not know if this is true or not. His explanation for the additional people is: makeup lady, and different assistants along with 2 "body guards" of the other girls. I strongly suggested he exercise more caution on his shoots and consider a closed set rule. The guy is as newbiest as they come.

We are doing lunch tomorrow so I can get a better feel for what kind of guy he is. He is also going to be at AdultDex.

They dont sell tickets.. The guys watching and cheering were members of the boneprone family.

Another privalage of joining the family.

So, your attitude, I take it, is that the gals who make the stuff we like to see and sell are just whores. Do I understand the undertone of your response correctly? And that because of that there is no ethical aspect to tricking them. In that case, YOU are a snake.


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Because she's only 18 and new to the business, she didn't have a wealth of background knowledge to draw upon. I work with 18 year olds all the time, but I think their inexperience gives me a green light to trick them.



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You are so ethically out of it I don't even know where to begin, except to say that you just put everyone on notice not to deal with you, because you like to wallow in ethical anarchy.



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Inexperience is one thing... stupidity is quite another. I tend to think that anyone of the age of 18 or better is quite capable of asking a question or two. Especially if it concerned something that was bothering her about a situation. And if she's too stupid to open her mouth about it, then yes... she's probably gonna keep gettin' walked on for many years by many people.

I bet if we compared I.Q. tests between you and the girl that she would bury you. This girl is far from stupid. You, on the other hand, must have done a lot of drugs in your life. You know that shit kills brain cells? If you lose 2 or 3 more then you will be nothing more than a talking/typing monkey.

My best piece of advice for you Amp it go Amputate Your Head. You will be much better off.

You got somethin' against drugs now too?

Here's my take on this;

The girl is p/o'd

I "hope" that the guys doing the shoot crossed all their "t's" and dotted all their "I's" because if they did not...

well; legal problems with this sort of crap could well mean that you will be paying $3000.00 for a cd full of images instead of $300

funny for some, exploitive for others, I have no doubt that this will cost us money in the future, there is no end to the number of content providers who are being drummed out of town or regulated out of existance in small town America now... without reason, I would say, don't give them any more reasons to try and get rid of you http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

It only takes one or two jerks to screw things up, and the local chamber of commerce ain't gonna support you http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

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