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DarkJedi · 02-09-2005, 06:41 AM

Maybe God has nothing to do with it ?
Maybe some things happen without his will ?
Maybe there are forces of evil out there too ?

who knows.

rickholio · 02-09-2005, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ezrydn

It's really quite simple:

If what I believe is false, I've lost nothing.

If what I believe is true, you've lost everything.

If you what believe is false, then you've lost the opportunity to live your life to its fullest and discover its potential without being yolked with the burden of organized religion. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

I find it the height of arrogance to believe that we have some sort of ultimate importance in the universe, that we're "the chosen ones" and special favorites of some guy in the clouds with a long beard and a pisspoor social life. If there is some kind of higher being, and I stress IF, then it's far more likely that he/she/it/they couldn't give a rats ass about us, except as a passing interest... much as we people pass by ants on the street, and occasionally notice one if it crawls across our shoe.

Surely, to an ant, we must be as gods, and I won't discount the possibility of we humans being as ants to another entity or entities. Equally as surely however, our worshipping of it/them would acheive the same amount of effect as an ant colony giving little ant fealty to one of us: Sweet Fuck All. The little bastards are still going to be exterminated where they're inconvenient, and ignored otherwise.

The problem with God really has nothing to do with God itself, or whether it exists or not. The real issue is that the benificent, all-knowing all-powerful God is a very comfortable illusion, considered a panacea to cure all that's unknown and uncertain, the metaphorical 'light in the darkness' to those who think they can turn God's ear and earn His favour by offering sufficient sacrifices both physical and psychological. It's precisely that the illusion is so comfortable that makes religious people so easily exploited and controlled by the power hungry, the unscrupulous, and the zealous... allowing yourself to believe in the illusion is to let faith trump reason and rational thought when the two collide. It's not difficult for a cult of personality, appealling to that same faith-over-reason habit, to retain and bind great swathes of population even in the face of obviously bad things... obvious to anyone who doesn't allow faith to trump reason, that is.

Ultimately, whether or not anyone believes in God is entirely irrelevant to anyone but themselves. It's the actions of those who allow themselves to be manipulated in the name of that same God are the ones who are a plague o'er the land, and are the ones most likely to unleash torments to match their own personal visions of hell.

polish_aristocrat · 02-09-2005, 06:42 AM

I prayed to God yesterday.

michel · 02-09-2005, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rickholio

Surely, to an ant, we must be as gods

No, to an ant we're just very big

DarkJedi · 02-09-2005, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by michel

No, to an ant we're just very big

they can't even see us

michel · 02-09-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

they can't even see us

No, but we are there. Hmmm, we can't see God, but.....

DarkJedi · 02-09-2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by michel

No, but we are there. Hmmm, we can't see God, but.....

Indeed

michel · 02-09-2005, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Indeed

One day we'll know (I allready do though)

pradaboy · 02-09-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by michel

One day we'll know (I allready do though)

good to see people actually stand up for their beliefs... nice comments Michel and DarkJedi

People always ask where God is when things go wrong, but they never mention him when everything goes right

Danny_C · 02-09-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kaliboy2g

Thats idiotic, you are idiotic.

By your standards:

Santa Claus Still exists.
Life on other planets exist.
Green martian men exist.

The list goes on and on.

Most scientists agree that life on other planets is very probable.

Danny_C · 02-09-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ezrydn

It's really quite simple:

If what I believe is false, I've lost nothing.

If what I believe is true, you've lost everything.

Pascal's Wager would hold some weight if it wasn't so fallacious. You actually lose quite a bit by believing in things that don't exist. And if you choose the wrong God... well, you've still lost everything, right along with the rest of us.

beergood · 02-09-2005, 09:04 AM

Until someone can disprove the existance of some sort of creator I say go with it existing. We can't understand exactly where we came from so who knows. It literally could be anything. Just because God isn't exactly the monotheistic diety presented before us by a bunch of rabid Jawas 3000 years ago doesn't mean it doesn't exists.

Santa Claus might exist in a galaxy far away. You just don't know and nobody is qualified to say so.

dumbasses.

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 10:10 AM

I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't a God and die to find out there is. Doh!

michel · 02-09-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddysGirl

I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't a God and die to find out there is. Doh!

Right on.

And this proof about He excisting or not. This isn't about proof, but believe.
He wants us to believe in Him. And there are people that do, and there are people that don't. This life is just a test.
If there was proof about Him, (almost) everybody would accept Him.
This is too easy, he wants people to believe in Him, make their own choices, because their heart tells them to. Not because there's proof.

rambler · 02-09-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

God does exist, i dont fit into any religion that is for sure, but there IS a God, everyone belives in God or else you would live your life 100% different.

God to me is the one who threw the first pitch.

God doesnt make suffering we all have the freedom of choice, and shit happens that is why we are humans.

we will die and God and "heaven/afterlife" will be nothing we could have ever explained.

read it learn it,

people who say they dont belive in God have lied to themselves for to long.

This is the first post I've seen of yours where you're not making stupid childish or racist remarks.

Figures you believe in god.

(it shows why you are so ignorant and have the intelligence of a sheep)

michel · 02-09-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rambler

This is the first post I've seen of yours where you're not making stupid childish remarks.

Figures you believe in god.

(it shows why you are so ignorant and have the intelligence of a sheep)

What's your excuse?

Jollyjoe · 02-09-2005, 10:58 AM

I believe in evolution, you would have to be ignorant to believe otherwise.

nico-t · 02-09-2005, 10:59 AM

religion is stupid

Raven · 02-09-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dij

explain to me one thing,
How can god take away/punish all the innocent people?
You might say they weren't really innocent by your standards, and I can agree.
But what about children who are ages 1 month to 3 years, it's immpossible they could've do something so wrong to deserve death.

And what about children who are born handicapped an suffer the rest of their lives? How does that work?

I always thought there was a kind of 'hands off' policy....I think it's called 'free will' and 'shit happens'.

pradaboy · 02-09-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jollyjoe

I believe in evolution, you would have to be ignorant to believe otherwise.

No you're ignorant if you do not respect each others beliefs.

rambler · 02-09-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by michel

Right on.

And this proof about He excisting or not. This isn't about proof, but believe.
He wants us to believe in Him. And there are people that do, and there are people that don't. This life is just a test.
If there was proof about Him, (almost) everybody would accept Him.
This is too easy, he wants people to believe in Him, make their own choices, because their heart tells them to. Not because there's proof.

"...This isn't about proof, but believe..."

"...because their heart tells them to. Not because there's proof."

The voice of true rational and intelligent thinking

xato · 02-09-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wargames

Things happen for a reason, I guess.

eightchars..

nico-t · 02-09-2005, 11:39 AM

believing in god is like believing in tv reverants healing people with their hand, its like believing that i am a magician with money growing on my ass. The key is BELIEVE. People choose what they believe. God is someone who was made up by people who thought of stories.
You know when you tell a story form mouth to mouth:
1st guy says: "He made 10.000 dollar in 10 years with selling t shirts."
10th guy says: "He made 1 million dollar in 10 days with doing almost nothing."

Thats what happened to the jesus/god story too when it finally came to the writers of that fictional story "the bible". Plus writers tend to even exaggerate even more and dramatize it.

So, taking the example from above, the same writers would write the statement they got by the 10th guy like this: "He was sleeping like a rose when, all of a sudden, a little elf stood on his window with a suitcase with 10 billion dollar inside. The elf gave it to him, so he got 10 billion dollar in 2 seconds. He lived happily ever after."

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 12:04 PM

I am reading this book,...check it out...it will enlighten you

http://www.caseforacreator.com/home.php

For those of you who are truley interested and not just spouting off ridiculous judgements or excuses for your own insecurities, here is hard proof of real scientific theories which have been tested and recorded.

From the book...Chapters 1-4: The Design Hypothesis
"A big, fundamental question, like belief in God (or disbelief), is not settled by a single argument," said physicist-turned-theologian John Polkinghorne. "It's too complicated for that. What one has to do is to consider lots of different issues and see whether or not the answers one gets add up to a total picture that makes sense."
That's the approach I took in my investigation. I probed six different scientific disciplines to see whether they point toward or away from the existence of an intelligent designer.
When I opened my mind to the possibility of an explanation beyond naturalism, I found that the design hypothesis most clearly accounted for the evidence of science. The "explanatory power" of the design hypothesis outstripped every other theory.

Chapter 5: The Evidence of Cosmology

Thanks to scientific discoveries of the last fifty years, the ancient kalam cosmological argument has taken on a powerful and persuasive new force. As described by William Lane Craig, the argument is simple yet elegant: first, whatever begins to exist has a cause . Even renowned skeptic David Hume didn't deny this first premise. In fact, atheist Quentin Smith's contention that "we came from nothing, by nothing, and for nothing" seems intuitively absurd.
Second, the universe had a beginning. Based on the data, virtually all cosmologists now agree the universe began in the Big Bang at some specific point in the past. Craig stressed that even alternate theories for the origin of the universe require a beginning. For instance, Stephen Hawking's use of "imaginary numbers" merely conceals the beginning point in his own model, which Hawking admits is not really a description of reality.
The conclusion then follows inexorably from the two premises: therefore, the universe has a cause . Even once-agnostic astronomer Robert Jastrow conceded the essential elements of Christianity and modern cosmology are the same: "The chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply, at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."

Chapter 6: The Evidence of Physics

One of the most striking discoveries of modern science has been that the laws and constants of physics unexpectedly conspire in an extraordinary way to make the universe habitable for life. For instance, said physicist-philosopher Robin Collins, gravity is fine-tuned to one part in a hundred million billion billion billion billion billion.
The cosmological constant, which represents the energy density of space, is as precise as throwing a dart from space and hitting a bulls-eye just a trillionth of a trillionth of an inch in diameter on Earth. One expert said there are more than thirty physical or cosmological parameters that require precise calibration in order to produce a universe that can sustain life.
Collins demonstrated that chance cannot reasonably account for this "anthropic principle" and that the most-discussed alternative -- that there are multiple universes -- lacks any evidential support and ultimately collapses upon the realization that these other worlds would owe their existence to a highly designed process.
This evidence was so powerful that it was instrumental in Patrick Glynn abandoning his atheism. "Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis," he said. "It is the simplest and most obvious solution to the anthropic puzzle."

Chapter 7: The Evidence of Astronomy

Similar to the fine-tuning of physics, Earth's position in the universe and its intricately choreographed geological and chemical processes work together with exquisite efficiency to create a safe place for humans to live.
For example, astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez and science philosopher Jay Wesley Richards said it would take a star with the highly unusual properties of our sun -- the right mass, the right light, the right age, the right distance, the right orbit, the right galaxy, the right location -- to nurture living organisms on a circling planet. Numerous factors make our solar system and our location in the universe just right for a habitable environment.
What's more, the exceptional conditions that make life possible also happen to make our planet strangely well-suited for viewing and analyzing the universe and our environment. All of this suggests our planet may be rare, if not unique, and that the Creator wanted us to be able to explore the cosmos.
"If the universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence," said Harvard-educated astrophysicist John A. O'Keefe of NASA. "It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in."

Chapter 8: The Evidence of Biochemistry

Darwin said, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." Biochemist Michael Behe has demonstrated exactly that through his description of "irreducibly complex" molecular machines.
These complicated, microscopic contraptions, such as cilia and bacterial flagella, are extremely unlikely to have been built piece-by-piece through Darwinian processes, because they had to be fully present in order to function. Other examples include the incredible system of transporting proteins within cells and the intricate process of blood-clotting.
More than just a devastating challenge to Darwinism, these amazing biological systems -- which far exceed the capacity of human technology -- point toward a transcendent Creator. "My conclusion," said Behe, "can be summed up in a single word: design. I say that based on science. I believe that irreducibly complex systems are strong evidence of a purposeful, intentional design by an intelligent agent."
Behe's argument has proven impervious to challenges by skeptics. While obviously there will be future discoveries in biochemistry, Behe pointed out that they will not be able to negate the complexity that has already been discovered -- and which is best explained by a Creator.

Chapter 9: The Evidence of Biological Information

The six-feet of DNA coiled inside every one of our body's one hundred trillion cells contains a four-letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made. Cambridge-educated Stephen Meyer demonstrated that no hypothesis has come close to explaining how information got into biological matter by naturalistic means.
On the contrary, he said that whenever we find a sequential arrangement that's complex and corresponds to an independent pattern or function, this kind of information is always the product of intelligence. "Books, computer codes, and DNA all have these two properties," he said. "We know books and computer codes are designed by intelligence, and the presence of this type of information in DNA also implies an intelligent source.
In addition, Meyer said the Cambrian explosion's dazzling array of new life forms, which suddenly appeared fully formed in the fossil record, with no prior transitions, would have required the infusion of massive amounts of new biological information. "Information is the hallmark of mind," said Meyer. "And purely from the evidence of genetics and biology, we can infer the existence of a mind that's far greater than our own -- a conscious, purposeful, rational, intelligent designer who's amazingly creative."

Chapter 10: The Evidence of Consciousness

Many scientists are concluding that the laws of chemistry and physics cannot explain our experience of consciousness. Professor J. P. Moreland defined consciousness as our introspection, sensations, thoughts, emotions, desires, beliefs, and free choices that make us alive and aware. The "soul" contains our consciousness and animates our body.
According to a researcher who showed that consciousness can continue after a person's brain has stopped functioning, current scientific findings "would support the view that 'mind,' 'consciousness,' or the 'soul' is a separate entity from the brain."
As Moreland said, "You can't get something from nothing." If the universe began with dead matter having no consciousness, "how, then, do you get something totally different -- consciousness, living, thinking, feeling, believing creatures -- from materials that don't have that?" But if everything started with the mind of God, he said, "we don't have a problem with explaining the origin of our mind."
Darwinist philosopher Michael Ruse candidly conceded that "no one, certainly not the Darwinian as such, seems to have any answer" to the consciousness issue. Nobel Prize-winning neurophysiologist John C. Eccles concluded from the evidence "that there is what we might call a supernatural origin of my unique self-conscious mind or my unique selfhood or soul."

I respect everyones beliefs and opinions, but please try to educate yourself on the topic before you spit out ignorance.

Jey p · 02-09-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wargames

Things happen for a reason, I guess.

Exactly, you may or may not understand them...........

sweetME · 02-09-2005, 12:12 PM

This topic is little sensative and complicated. I shouldn't respond to it, but I'll say that God punishes people through their loved ones sometimes. Kids die and are born handicaped is because God punishes their parents for whatever they've done wrong.

evelknievel · 02-09-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddysGirl

I am reading this book,...check it out...it will enlighten you

I respect everyones beliefs and opinions, but please try to educate yourself on the topic before you spit out ignorance.

Hey--you seem like a smart broad...and you're definitely a hot chick, but:

"educate yourself" ??
This is a philiosphical topic over faith, not an argument over facts.
Everything can be discounted and nothing can be "proven". Even empirical data can be argued (example---how how is the Shroud of Tourin?)
Everyone is as ignorant or as brilliant as their argument

rambler · 02-09-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddysGirl

I am reading this book,...check it out...it will enlighten you

http://www.caseforacreator.com/home.php

For those of you who are truley interested and not just spouting off ridiculous judgements or excuses for your own insecurities, here is hard proof of real scientific theories which have been tested and recorded....

....
I respect everyones beliefs and opinions, but please try to educate yourself on the topic before you spit out ignorance.

So by reading one biast book you now have proof that there is a god.
You must be the smartest person in the world.

There is also evidence produced by scientists( sponsored by tobacco companies) that smoking cigarettes is NOT harmful to your health.

Sorry for my attitude, but before you copy and paste from a well known pro-christian book(sponsored by: http://www.zondervan.com/ ); you yourself should: "try to educate yourself on the topic before you spit out ignorance.

"

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by evelknievel

Hey--you seem like a smart broad...and you're definitely a hot chick, but:

"educate yourself" ??
This is a philiosphical topic over faith, not an argument over facts.
Everything can be discounted and nothing can be "proven". Even empirical data can be argued (example---how how is the Shroud of Tourin?)
Everyone is as ignorant or as brilliant as their argument

Hmm. Im not so sure I agree with the statement that these are not facts. (And I mean facts as far as the scientific data that shows what is and isnt possible for the begining of life), but I dont know enough about it to get into a debate over it.

I just thought the book was very interesting and helped answer some questions I have about the theories on the begining of time and wanted to share....and thanks for the hot chick compliment, lol

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rambler

So by reading one biast book you now have proof that there is a god.
You must be the smartest person in the world.

There is also evidence produced by scientists( sponsored by tobacco companies) that smoking cigarettes is NOT harmful to your health.

Sorry for my attitude, but before you copy and paste from a well known pro-christian book(sponsored by: http://www.zondervan.com/ ); you yourself should: "try to educate yourself on the topic before you spit out ignorance.

"

I dont need a book to prove anything to me.

I doubt you are sorry for your attitude but your sarcasim is appreciated...

evelknievel · 02-09-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddysGirl

Hmm. Im not so sure I agree with the statement that these are not facts. (And I mean facts as far as the scientific data that shows what is and isnt possible for the begining of life), but I dont know enough about it to get into a debate over it.

I just thought the book was very interesting and helped answer some questions I have about the theories on the begining of time and wanted to share....and thanks for the hot chick compliment, lol

"What is and isn't possible for the beginning of life"
---hey, popcorn was a miracle before people figured out how it worked..

Glad to hear that the book helped you, but if you want to share----
I suggest bodily fluids or at least some boob shots..

Young · 02-09-2005, 01:19 PM

I'll pay $10,000 to anyone who can make this Catholic school boy believe in God again.

Money is the only God I know

rambler · 02-09-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddysGirl

Hmm. Im not so sure I agree with the statement that these are not facts. (And I mean facts as far as the scientific data that shows what is and isnt possible for the begining of life), but I dont know enough about it to get into a debate over it.

I just thought the book was very interesting and helped answer some questions I have about the theories on the begining of time and wanted to share....and thanks for the hot chick compliment, lol

You should check out both sides of the arguement. Here is a link where the author exposes your book in detail: CaseAgainstFaith
There are many other places that expose that book for its well known biased slant.

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by evelknievel

"What is and isn't possible for the beginning of life"
---hey, popcorn was a miracle before people figured out how it worked..

Glad to hear that the book helped you, but if you want to share----
I suggest bodily fluids or at least some boob shots..

lol

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rambler

You should check out both sides of the arguement. Here is a link where the author exposes your book in detail: CaseAgainstFaith
There are many other places that expose that book for its well known biased slant.

thanks, Ill check it out....

evelknievel · 02-09-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddysGirl

lol

:waiting paitently for boob shots

Elli · 02-09-2005, 02:12 PM

Hm, still a hot topic thousands of years later. Who would have thunk it?

(Rickholio, btw, I really like your post)

vivency-AdamQ · 02-09-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmensita

There is no proof of god's existence, but there is also no proof that he doesn't exist.

The fact that he isnt provable disproves him.....

All real things can be proven, if not, they are not real.

pradaboy · 02-09-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by vivency-AdamQ

The fact that he isnt provable disproves him.....

All real things can be proven, if not, they are not real.

so because you don't see it means it doesn't exist? Very shortsighted

Silent_Thunder · 02-09-2005, 02:29 PM

Humans are too weak not to believe in anything.

sweetME · 02-09-2005, 02:30 PM

The main thing is to have a belief.
I pray so wars stop, so the earth could be peaceful

leedsfan · 02-09-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

God does exist, i dont fit into any religion that is for sure, but there IS a God, everyone belives in God or else you would live your life 100% different.

God to me is the one who threw the first pitch.

God doesnt make suffering we all have the freedom of choice, and shit happens that is why we are humans.

we will die and God and "heaven/afterlife" will be nothing we could have ever explained.

read it learn it,

people who say they dont belive in God have lied to themselves for to long.

or alternatively you are the one who is confused and afraid. for example you need god to explain why you are here. For the rest of us that know better we are sure enough of ourselves and our cetain death that we are happy to live life to the fullest without needing bogus answers.

Why are there so many different religions, is it because we cant decide which one tells us the accurate story about god, or that we simply tell too many stories and thats all they are.

TheMob · 02-09-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mal

there are alot of freaky girls in church. holla!

really? are you a priest?

leedsfan · 02-09-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

Right on.

And this proof about He excisting or not. This isn't about proof, but believe.
He wants us to believe in Him. And there are people that do, and there are people that don't. This life is just a test.
If there was proof about Him, (almost) everybody would accept Him.
This is too easy, he wants people to believe in Him, make their own choices, because their heart tells them to. Not because there's proof.

apparantly according to most right wingers in the states god doesnt like pornographers, so whether you believe in him or not, you're totally fucked mate. not going to heaven, do not pass go. go directly to hell.

DaddysGirl · 02-09-2005, 02:46 PM

"There's something in every atheist, itching to believe, and something in every believer, itching to doubt"

MiaVega · 02-09-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

I'll pay $10,000 to anyone who can make this Catholic school boy believe in God again.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree, I went to Catholic school for 13 years..not saying I don't believe in anything...just not the Catholic "God". 13 years of Catholic school fucked up my thinking w/ the bullshit they pound into your head day in and day out. Things that are human nature was "taboo".

HenrySugar · 02-09-2005, 03:10 PM

I dont believe in religions but want to say some words about the topic,
Nothing can be occur from "space" - physic
think about it ;)

MetaMan · 02-09-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan

or alternatively you are the one who is confused and afraid. for example you need god to explain why you are here. For the rest of us that know better we are sure enough of ourselves and our cetain death that we are happy to live life to the fullest without needing bogus answers.

Why are there so many different religions, is it because we cant decide which one tells us the accurate story about god, or that we simply tell too many stories and thats all they are.

you do not fully understand what i am saying, i just told you i dont fit into any religion, i have my own beliefs.

every man on earth belives in God, societies laws are based on good and good is based on a belief in a God.

i do not live my 100% based on my beliefs i walk a changed path everyday because i know i cannot explain what is next.

and i am also not afraid of death, why should i be afraid of something i cannot explain? if i cannot explain it there is no point in worrying about it. i do not need anything explained where i come from or where we are started or hope for a God. have hope for people around you and the world would be much better.

if you say you do not belive in any God, i call you a lier, broaden your thoughts about God, not all beliefs fit into a religion.

Alex · 02-09-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

No, kids go straight to heaven

No.

They die. We can prove that they are dead and havent gotten to live life, but we cant prove that they go to heaven or that there is a heaven.

pradaboy · 02-09-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan

apparantly according to most right wingers in the states god doesnt like pornographers, so whether you believe in him or not, you're totally fucked mate. not going to heaven, do not pass go. go directly to hell.

this isn't monopoly, read the manual again

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DaddysGirl Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Dirty South Posts: 627	I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't a God and die to find out there is. Doh! __________________ www.MacDaddyBucks.com $40 flat Wanna laugh? www.fuckingthehelp.com ICQ:307993589

02-09-2005, 12:04 PM	#74
DaddysGirl Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Dirty South Posts: 627	I am reading this book,...check it out...it will enlighten you http://www.caseforacreator.com/home.php For those of you who are truley interested and not just spouting off ridiculous judgements or excuses for your own insecurities, here is hard proof of real scientific theories which have been tested and recorded. From the book...Chapters 1-4: The Design Hypothesis "A big, fundamental question, like belief in God (or disbelief), is not settled by a single argument," said physicist-turned-theologian John Polkinghorne. "It's too complicated for that. What one has to do is to consider lots of different issues and see whether or not the answers one gets add up to a total picture that makes sense." That's the approach I took in my investigation. I probed six different scientific disciplines to see whether they point toward or away from the existence of an intelligent designer. When I opened my mind to the possibility of an explanation beyond naturalism, I found that the design hypothesis most clearly accounted for the evidence of science. The "explanatory power" of the design hypothesis outstripped every other theory. Chapter 5: The Evidence of Cosmology Thanks to scientific discoveries of the last fifty years, the ancient kalam cosmological argument has taken on a powerful and persuasive new force. As described by William Lane Craig, the argument is simple yet elegant: first, whatever begins to exist has a cause . Even renowned skeptic David Hume didn't deny this first premise. In fact, atheist Quentin Smith's contention that "we came from nothing, by nothing, and for nothing" seems intuitively absurd. Second, the universe had a beginning. Based on the data, virtually all cosmologists now agree the universe began in the Big Bang at some specific point in the past. Craig stressed that even alternate theories for the origin of the universe require a beginning. For instance, Stephen Hawking's use of "imaginary numbers" merely conceals the beginning point in his own model, which Hawking admits is not really a description of reality. The conclusion then follows inexorably from the two premises: therefore, the universe has a cause . Even once-agnostic astronomer Robert Jastrow conceded the essential elements of Christianity and modern cosmology are the same: "The chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply, at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy." Chapter 6: The Evidence of Physics One of the most striking discoveries of modern science has been that the laws and constants of physics unexpectedly conspire in an extraordinary way to make the universe habitable for life. For instance, said physicist-philosopher Robin Collins, gravity is fine-tuned to one part in a hundred million billion billion billion billion billion. The cosmological constant, which represents the energy density of space, is as precise as throwing a dart from space and hitting a bulls-eye just a trillionth of a trillionth of an inch in diameter on Earth. One expert said there are more than thirty physical or cosmological parameters that require precise calibration in order to produce a universe that can sustain life. Collins demonstrated that chance cannot reasonably account for this "anthropic principle" and that the most-discussed alternative -- that there are multiple universes -- lacks any evidential support and ultimately collapses upon the realization that these other worlds would owe their existence to a highly designed process. This evidence was so powerful that it was instrumental in Patrick Glynn abandoning his atheism. "Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis," he said. "It is the simplest and most obvious solution to the anthropic puzzle." Chapter 7: The Evidence of Astronomy Similar to the fine-tuning of physics, Earth's position in the universe and its intricately choreographed geological and chemical processes work together with exquisite efficiency to create a safe place for humans to live. For example, astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez and science philosopher Jay Wesley Richards said it would take a star with the highly unusual properties of our sun -- the right mass, the right light, the right age, the right distance, the right orbit, the right galaxy, the right location -- to nurture living organisms on a circling planet. Numerous factors make our solar system and our location in the universe just right for a habitable environment. What's more, the exceptional conditions that make life possible also happen to make our planet strangely well-suited for viewing and analyzing the universe and our environment. All of this suggests our planet may be rare, if not unique, and that the Creator wanted us to be able to explore the cosmos. "If the universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence," said Harvard-educated astrophysicist John A. O'Keefe of NASA. "It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in." Chapter 8: The Evidence of Biochemistry Darwin said, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." Biochemist Michael Behe has demonstrated exactly that through his description of "irreducibly complex" molecular machines. These complicated, microscopic contraptions, such as cilia and bacterial flagella, are extremely unlikely to have been built piece-by-piece through Darwinian processes, because they had to be fully present in order to function. Other examples include the incredible system of transporting proteins within cells and the intricate process of blood-clotting. More than just a devastating challenge to Darwinism, these amazing biological systems -- which far exceed the capacity of human technology -- point toward a transcendent Creator. "My conclusion," said Behe, "can be summed up in a single word: design. I say that based on science. I believe that irreducibly complex systems are strong evidence of a purposeful, intentional design by an intelligent agent." Behe's argument has proven impervious to challenges by skeptics. While obviously there will be future discoveries in biochemistry, Behe pointed out that they will not be able to negate the complexity that has already been discovered -- and which is best explained by a Creator. Chapter 9: The Evidence of Biological Information The six-feet of DNA coiled inside every one of our body's one hundred trillion cells contains a four-letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made. Cambridge-educated Stephen Meyer demonstrated that no hypothesis has come close to explaining how information got into biological matter by naturalistic means. On the contrary, he said that whenever we find a sequential arrangement that's complex and corresponds to an independent pattern or function, this kind of information is always the product of intelligence. "Books, computer codes, and DNA all have these two properties," he said. "We know books and computer codes are designed by intelligence, and the presence of this type of information in DNA also implies an intelligent source. In addition, Meyer said the Cambrian explosion's dazzling array of new life forms, which suddenly appeared fully formed in the fossil record, with no prior transitions, would have required the infusion of massive amounts of new biological information. "Information is the hallmark of mind," said Meyer. "And purely from the evidence of genetics and biology, we can infer the existence of a mind that's far greater than our own -- a conscious, purposeful, rational, intelligent designer who's amazingly creative." Chapter 10: The Evidence of Consciousness Many scientists are concluding that the laws of chemistry and physics cannot explain our experience of consciousness. Professor J. P. Moreland defined consciousness as our introspection, sensations, thoughts, emotions, desires, beliefs, and free choices that make us alive and aware. The "soul" contains our consciousness and animates our body. According to a researcher who showed that consciousness can continue after a person's brain has stopped functioning, current scientific findings "would support the view that 'mind,' 'consciousness,' or the 'soul' is a separate entity from the brain." As Moreland said, "You can't get something from nothing." If the universe began with dead matter having no consciousness, "how, then, do you get something totally different -- consciousness, living, thinking, feeling, believing creatures -- from materials that don't have that?" But if everything started with the mind of God, he said, "we don't have a problem with explaining the origin of our mind." Darwinist philosopher Michael Ruse candidly conceded that "no one, certainly not the Darwinian as such, seems to have any answer" to the consciousness issue. Nobel Prize-winning neurophysiologist John C. Eccles concluded from the evidence "that there is what we might call a supernatural origin of my unique self-conscious mind or my unique selfhood or soul." I respect everyones beliefs and opinions, but please try to educate yourself on the topic before you spit out ignorance. __________________ www.MacDaddyBucks.com $40 flat Wanna laugh? www.fuckingthehelp.com ICQ:307993589

02-09-2005, 12:12 PM	#76
sweetME Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,162	This topic is little sensative and complicated. I shouldn't respond to it, but I'll say that God punishes people through their loved ones sometimes. Kids die and are born handicaped is because God punishes their parents for whatever they've done wrong. __________________ Email: questions @ Prodinix.com \| Site: Prodinix.com

02-09-2005, 06:41 AM	#51
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,301	Maybe God has nothing to do with it ? Maybe some things happen without his will ? Maybe there are forces of evil out there too ? who knows.

02-09-2005, 10:58 AM	#67
Jollyjoe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 300	I believe in evolution, you would have to be ignorant to believe otherwise.

02-09-2005, 10:59 AM	#68
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	religion is stupid

02-09-2005, 11:39 AM	#73
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	believing in god is like believing in tv reverants healing people with their hand, its like believing that i am a magician with money growing on my ass. The key is BELIEVE. People choose what they believe. God is someone who was made up by people who thought of stories. You know when you tell a story form mouth to mouth: 1st guy says: "He made 10.000 dollar in 10 years with selling t shirts." 10th guy says: "He made 1 million dollar in 10 days with doing almost nothing." Thats what happened to the jesus/god story too when it finally came to the writers of that fictional story "the bible". Plus writers tend to even exaggerate even more and dramatize it. So, taking the example from above, the same writers would write the statement they got by the 10th guy like this: "He was sleeping like a rose when, all of a sudden, a little elf stood on his window with a suitcase with 10 billion dollar inside. The elf gave it to him, so he got 10 billion dollar in 2 seconds. He lived happily ever after."

02-09-2005, 01:19 PM	#82
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	I'll pay $10,000 to anyone who can make this Catholic school boy believe in God again. Money is the only God I know __________________ ★★★

02-09-2005, 02:12 PM	#87
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Hm, still a hot topic thousands of years later. Who would have thunk it? (Rickholio, btw, I really like your post) __________________ email: [email protected]

02-09-2005, 02:29 PM	#90
Silent_Thunder Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 5,258	Humans are too weak not to believe in anything.

02-09-2005, 02:30 PM	#91
sweetME Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,162	The main thing is to have a belief. I pray so wars stop, so the earth could be peaceful __________________ Email: questions @ Prodinix.com \| Site: Prodinix.com

02-09-2005, 02:46 PM	#95
DaddysGirl Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Dirty South Posts: 627	"There's something in every atheist, itching to believe, and something in every believer, itching to doubt" __________________ www.MacDaddyBucks.com $40 flat Wanna laugh? www.fuckingthehelp.com ICQ:307993589

02-09-2005, 03:10 PM	#97
HenrySugar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	I dont believe in religions but want to say some words about the topic, Nothing can be occur from "space" - physic think about it ;)