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PrivateIvy 02-04-2005 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
isnt most important: number of transactions --> number of CHBs
?
That's what I thought.. I thought it was the percentage of transactions, not the dollar amount, am I wrong ?

Ivy

venus 02-04-2005 11:10 PM
see, thats why I dont use a third party processor or let them run my affiliate program.
when I have a scammer I just cancel the check I wrote.
total control over your business is a must, anything less and your business is at the mercy of other people.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateIvy
I use CCBill. When he sent the 3rd $89.95 signup with only 300 uniques and no other signup types, I called them to have them check into it.

Ivy

DWB 02-04-2005 11:36 PM
OK... done. I just smoked his punk ass. He will not be bothering anyone again.

Paul Markham 02-05-2005 12:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
Checks are available only for US surfers and everybody with money in US have a cc in my opinion. Mostly frauders pay by checks. Now somebody will tell, that his check sales are 20%+ of his income, but fact is, check option means less cc sales and many checks are returned...
Precisely, the main reason to use a check is you can't use a CC, maxed out?, do you want to take a check from this guy?

Paul Markham 02-05-2005 12:49 AM
Looking at this thread I think the best people to contact would be the police. He has an operation running scamming people.

Nathan 02-05-2005 01:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanker
Hey Ivy no that wasnt a joke we did some research on him

he or his partner is in montreal as well

he sent us 125 joins

1 to CCbill
124 to WTS checks all on the 3 month option funny thing is he contacted us because his name on the check was wrong and we had to reissue it
today we cancelled that check it was just sent out a day or so ago

thank you for pointing it out!

the ccbill charged back
and 60% of the checks have bounced and been paid on

it appears that NATS doesnt mark them when they get returned and we still pay on them I am not sure about this but I would like to investigate it more
it may not be nats but a WTS issue of not reporting them

I am going to see if nats can not pay on checks untill they clear
this would clear up a lot of issues

at this point I Think I am going to turn off the check option on our joins untill we can get somthing in place to prevent it

its assholes like this that fuck it up for everyone else

Tanker
NATS will mark them returned as soon as WTS tells us about it. You can however also set NATS up so that it does not count the sale until the check actually clears.

Contact me or post a ticket about this.

SmokeyTheBear 02-05-2005 01:39 AM
i bet this guy is dumpster diving a post office for check stubs

sean416 02-05-2005 01:55 AM
damn, this guy must be burning a lot of people. So Ivy, do you mean to say that this guy was paid for his sales and because they bounced the balance was taken out of your check? That sucks. :Oh crap

BV 02-05-2005 09:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateIvy
That's what I thought.. I thought it was the percentage of transactions, not the dollar amount, am I wrong ?

Ivy
You're a bitch with brains, figure it out for yourself by researching it or calling someone that knows. Most people here don't have a clue. :2 cents:

How many big programs can you find with a $99 option?

Not too many right? right

what does that tell you?

I'm also telling you from experience, I've been there and done that.

Later,
BV

PrivateIvy 02-05-2005 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV
You're a bitch with brains, figure it out for yourself by researching it or calling someone that knows. Most people here don't have a clue. :2 cents:

How many big programs can you find with a $99 option?

Not too many right? right

what does that tell you?

I'm also telling you from experience, I've been there and done that.

Later,
BV

I asked a simple question, don't think that response was called for but, Ummmm.... ok.....

I'll research it , I forgot this is GFY and noone wants to actually share a valid source of info LMAO , they'd rather call you an idiot and put you down for not knowing something.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom :bowdown


Ivy

PrivateIvy 02-05-2005 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sean416
damn, this guy must be burning a lot of people. So Ivy, do you mean to say that this guy was paid for his sales and because they bounced the balance was taken out of your check? That sucks. :Oh crap
Yes, because he only sends 1 sale per day at the largest signup level so by the time he's caught you have already been paid and he has as well, so yea, $624.55 has now been deducted from my checks. :Oh crap


Ivy

andrej_NDC 02-05-2005 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BV
I'm also telling you from experience, I've been there and done that.
me too, no problems with it...if 2.5% is the limit, its easy...Even 1% for transaction amount would be not that hard...

PrivateIvy 02-05-2005 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
me too, no problems with it...if 2.5% is the limit, its easy...Even 1% for transaction amount would be not that hard...
I just checked.... and found this:
___________
What is the chargeback ratio?
The chargeback ratio is the ratio between the "number of transactions" and chargebacks. The maximum chargeback ratio is 2.5%. Any account that exceeds this maximum will be closed. All funds of such an account will be held for 180 days as an insurance deposit.
__________
Which appears to me as I thought... the ratio of the number of transactions, not the dollar amounts... gonna check some more but this is what I always thought.

Ivy

andrej_NDC 02-05-2005 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateIvy
I just checked.... and found this:
___________
What is the chargeback ratio?
The chargeback ratio is the ratio between the "number of transactions" and chargebacks. The maximum chargeback ratio is 2.5%. Any account that exceeds this maximum will be closed. All funds of such an account will be held for 180 days as an insurance deposit.
__________
Which appears to me as I thought... the ratio of the number of transactions, not the dollar amounts... gonna check some more but this is what I always thought.

Ivy

hmmm, but 2.5% in what period of time? At the end of the year for yearly stats, or monthly?

PrivateIvy 02-05-2005 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrej_NDC
hmmm, but 2.5% in what period of time? At the end of the year for yearly stats, or monthly?

Another excerpt from my google search:)


....your chargeback ratio which is governed on a monthly basis by Visa and MasterCard International. Your
chargeback ratio is calculated by the number of captured transactions in a given month divided by the number of chargebacks received in the same month".

:thumbsup

Ivy

andrej_NDC 02-05-2005 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateIvy
Another excerpt from my google search:)


....your chargeback ratio which is governed on a monthly basis by Visa and MasterCard International. Your
chargeback ratio is calculated by the number of captured transactions in a given month divided by the number of chargebacks received in the same month".

:thumbsup

Ivy
good info, thanks :thumbsup

ShaneRyale 02-05-2005 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan
NATS will mark them returned as soon as WTS tells us about it. You can however also set NATS up so that it does not count the sale until the check actually clears.

Contact me or post a ticket about this.
Thanks Nathan! NATS is #1!

I'll post a ticket today about.

ShaneRyale 02-05-2005 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateIvy
Damn Tanker :( Your story is worse than mine. But WOOHOO that you cancelled payment on his check!!! I hope he gets shut down big time .... :mad:

I am glad to know that by sharing this it did at least help someone out ( besides just allowing me to vent LOL ) !


Ivy

Ivy,

Thanks for the post! I think we caught his check in time! Tanker and I spend last night researching even more into this and are compiling a list of people we've already caught and so new ones that look sketchy. We'll post them for you, so this won't happen to us again with the guys on the list at least.

Thanks,

PrivateIvy 02-05-2005 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaneRyale
Ivy,

Thanks for the post! I think we caught his check in time! Tanker and I spend last night researching even more into this and are compiling a list of people we've already caught and so new ones that look sketchy. We'll post them for you, so this won't happen to us again with the guys on the list at least.

Thanks,
You're welcome :) And yea, I'd love to get a heads up on others when you have it...may save headaches :thumbsup

Ivy

andrej_NDC 02-05-2005 05:46 PM
Mark (corvett) just told me this:
visa is 1% by transaction count and 2.5% by dollar amount
:)
so, BV was right about the numbers

woj 02-05-2005 05:46 PM
100 scammers...

BV 02-05-2005 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateIvy
I asked a simple question, don't think that response was called for but, Ummmm.... ok.....

I'll research it , I forgot this is GFY and noone wants to actually share a valid source of info LMAO , they'd rather call you an idiot and put you down for not knowing something.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom :bowdown


Ivy
Ivy,

Sorry if I came across as an ass but I'm not putting you down and never did. I actually did try and help you by letting you know that a $99 option is not such a smart idea but it seemed to me that you did not want to hear what I had to say or you did not trust my info. That's fine, so that's why I said to research it yourself as that is what I do in a situation like this.

You may never have a problem with going over the 2.5% but I hope you can see and understand my point where a $99 billing option will get you there much faster.

PEACE!
BV

CrazyNakedChick 02-05-2005 07:44 PM
group hug!

H.I.G 02-05-2005 08:52 PM
damn, that's bad news Ivy...... hope this guy bites the dust soon. :mad:

MikeSmoke 03-30-2005 01:18 AM
Just to let people know...this douchebag is still out there.
Signed up to my program three days ago, sent two check signups yesterday and two more today - he made some mistakes that I don't want to post publicly for obvious reasons, but as of last night he was already on my radar screen and as of today he's gone.
Beware <sigh>.

venus 03-30-2005 01:34 AM
dont you have this guys home address ?

ITG-Obi 03-30-2005 01:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
Somebody left him a nice message on his answering machine

nice :thumbsup

american pervert 03-30-2005 01:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by venus
dont you have this guys home address ?
icq me, 19375153

latinasojourn 03-30-2005 01:57 AM
i don't know why ccbill does not have good check processing security.

i had to pull their check processing a long time ago because of fraud.

the only one i've had success with is netbilling.

i don't know why netbilling can do something that ccbill cannot.

Dalai lama 03-30-2005 02:03 AM
bump so everyone can read.

Zprogramz 03-30-2005 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by latinasojourn
i don't know why ccbill does not have good check processing security.

i had to pull their check processing a long time ago because of fraud.

the only one i've had success with is netbilling.

i don't know why netbilling can do something that ccbill cannot.
We use Netbilling for checks and credit cards with CCbill as backup. Both compnaies are great but we pay much less with Netbilling obviously.

Z

MikeSmoke 03-30-2005 12:34 PM
bump for the afternoon paysite owners

Tanker 05-18-2006 07:11 PM
bump again he got some othere too

killbill69 05-19-2006 07:56 AM
hello! can somebody give me the right adress of francis beaulieu from canada?

trashymedia 05-19-2006 08:36 AM
Same deal
 
Hi Ivy,
we had the same thing happen about four months ago. A German affiliate had sent a bunch of joins via check through only ONE gallery (ours). No offense to CCbill, but their check system is not that impressive (used it quite a few years ago and ended up with a 40% return ratio). We switched to WTS in 2003, and have been pretty happy ever since. Good tech support, plus we were told (not by WTS) that they do not take a percentage from the webmaster unless they collect on the transaction. Meaning that if they don't get paid on a transaction, they do not pass the charge to the webmaster (meaning returns are not charged the standard collection fee)....
Jeff

killbill69 05-19-2006 08:32 PM
Pierre Beaulieu
4915 Baldwin Montreal,
QC H1K 3B1
(514) 352-6568

if i am right, he lives by the dick of his father! fuckin faggot :D

killbill69 05-19-2006 08:33 PM
be sure i fuck him so badly now! and i know he watch this board! ;)

killbill69 05-19-2006 08:34 PM
you will get, what you deserve! he wants to play! somebody wants to play with me against this frauder?

killbill69 05-19-2006 08:38 PM
[email protected]
General
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Gender Male
Age 19
Occupation gym , p-o-r-n business ...
Social
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its francis beaulieu ;)

big in P-O-R-N-B-I-Z as you can see!

killbill69 05-19-2006 08:38 PM
double post! plz delete!


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