Scamming Affiliate - Paysite owners beware...a PrivateIvy rant !! - GoFuckYourself.com

PrivateIvy · 02-03-2005, 09:30 PM

Maybe I'm just venting , and then again maybe someone knows who this guy is or if you recognize his info you can avoid having this done to you.

Jan 3rd new affiliate signs up to one of my programs. Over the next week he sends about 100 uniques per day and gets 1 $89.95 signup per day for 6 days straight, which is when I started wondering and checked into how much traffic he was sending and from where.

Of course I found that all the $89.95 signups were with Checks, and all using a hotmail address though they were all different info .

Long story short, this fucker caused a total of $624.55 in returned check signups which were deducted from my check this week

So here's to Mr Francis Beaulieu or Mr Orland Robles who owns www.YoungTeenTGP.Net and sends traffic from www.YoungTeenTGP.Net/real

his email addresses if valid are: [email protected] and [email protected] so please feel free to share as many emails with him for viagra, mortgage rates, cialis, or add him to your site newsletters and well...you get the point

Thanks for letting me rant

Ivy

SquirtingCarly · 02-03-2005, 09:39 PM

Wow, Ivy that sucks thanks for putting the word out.

Doctor Dre · 02-03-2005, 09:42 PM

This name remind me something ... weird

PrivateIvy · 02-03-2005, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

This name remind me something ... weird

Alright, Spill it.....

Ivy

WWC · 02-03-2005, 09:45 PM

Sucks...who do you use for online checks processing? Dont they recongnize and evaluate sales for you?

ps; thanks for the heads up

PrivateIvy · 02-03-2005, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

Sucks...who do you use for online checks processing? Dont they recongnize and evaluate sales for you?

ps; thanks for the heads up

I use CCBill. When he sent the 3rd $89.95 signup with only 300 uniques and no other signup types, I called them to have them check into it. They said it all looked fine at that point. So then when it continued again for the next few days I called again and they finally put a stop to it.

I hope like hell they didn't pay this fucker out on it and that they closed his ccbill affiliate account

Ivy

BV · 02-03-2005, 09:50 PM

it's not smart to have an 89.95 option available. ESPECIALLY on credit card transactions

NaughtyAllie · 02-03-2005, 09:54 PM

Sorry to hear that Ivy.

Kick his ass!

newbreed · 02-03-2005, 10:12 PM

Thanks for the heads up Ivy, looking to see if he is on our program now.

beemk · 02-03-2005, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

it's not smart to have an 89.95 option available. ESPECIALLY on credit card transactions

why not? is it easier to charge back?

BVF · 02-03-2005, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

it's not smart to have an 89.95 option available. ESPECIALLY on credit card transactions

naw man. I have a 99.95 option and I love it when I get one. The ONLY way to have such a high transaction should be by a credit card that was thoroughly scrubbed by ccbill. Shit like what happened to Ivy can happen but shit happens. I haven't had any problems with them and they are just as legit as the base price sales.

Top Jimmy · 02-03-2005, 10:26 PM

I worked with the FBI on a carding operation being run through one of my programs. Pretty wild how good they are at finding people.

You should contact them. They may help.

In my case it was a huge amount of fraud, and it was stolen cards, so the FBI was glad to help.

PrivateIvy · 02-03-2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

it's not smart to have an 89.95 option available. ESPECIALLY on credit card transactions

hmm...never heard that one before. 3 of my sites do very well with that option. Just because a dishonest webmaster screwed it up this time , I don't think I should change join options that are converting well on my sites...

Ivy

camcutie · 02-03-2005, 10:31 PM

Happened to me a few time out of Russia. The Russian affiliate was signing up with stolen credit cards and stolen checks and 75% of them were charging back within a week or two. After the third time instead of cancelling the account I just set his percentage to 0%. I'm sure he didn't like that.....

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

pxxx · 02-03-2005, 10:37 PM

That sucks Ivy, got the email addys. ;)

PrivateIvy · 02-03-2005, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcutie

Happened to me a few time out of Russia. The Russian affiliate was signing up with stolen credit cards and stolen checks and 75% of them were charging back within a week or two. After the third time instead of cancelling the account I just set his percentage to 0%. I'm sure he didn't like that.....

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

Well if you only reset his percentage then he wouldn't get charged back when you did and you'd still have all the bogus signups...correct ?

Ivy

PrivateIvy · 02-03-2005, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxxx

That sucks Ivy, got the email addys. ;)

Hey, he has his home address listed on yahoo !!! LMFAO

Orlando Robles

2 Oakview Ter
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130-4902 (map)

Tel.: (617) 983-1489 (call this number)

( http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:...one=6179831489 )

Anybody local to him, feel free to stop by for me :-

Ivy

Spunky · 02-03-2005, 10:40 PM

Another day ...another scamming weasel

NaughtyRob · 02-03-2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Hey, he has his home address listed on yahoo !!! LMFAO

Orlando Robles

2 Oakview Ter
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130-4902 (map)

Tel.: (617) 983-1489 (call this number)

( http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:...one=6179831489 )

Anybody local to him, feel free to stop by for me :-

Ivy

Bump for Ivy.
This sucks.

dcortez · 02-03-2005, 11:12 PM

Checks are tricky business.

I have two check options: 29.95 and 59.95 and I risk manage all check signups.

Statistically, good check signups go for the 29.95 and bad check signups go for the $59.95 - it's a great filter. Theives are greedy.

-Dino

Jace · 02-03-2005, 11:12 PM

haha, that would be great if someone went to his house!

camcutie · 02-03-2005, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Well if you only reset his percentage then he wouldn't get charged back when you did and you'd still have all the bogus signups...correct ?

Ivy

The first two times the guy signed up as an affiliate I cancelled him but he would just sign back up... So the third time instead of cancelling him I just made his precentage 0 and he stopped signing up..... therefore the stolen cards stopped as well.

XOXOXO,
*Krystal*

Rui · 02-04-2005, 04:02 AM

That totally sucks, what are you going to do besides inform us all (and thank you for that)?

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

That totally sucks, what are you going to do besides inform us all (and thank you for that)?

Well, not sure there is anything I can do, so posting a good rant just made me feel better LOL

Ivy

Extreme Nate · 02-04-2005, 06:41 AM

Thanks for the heads up on that fucker Ivy

TurboAngel · 02-04-2005, 07:03 AM

Shit that suck's big time.

Cassie · 02-04-2005, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

hmm...never heard that one before. 3 of my sites do very well with that option. Just because a dishonest webmaster screwed it up this time , I don't think I should change join options that are converting well on my sites...

Ivy

agreed

tranza · 02-04-2005, 07:33 AM

Did you pay him?

If not I don't get why you're so mad...

Cassie · 02-04-2005, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Did you pay him?

If not I don't get why you're so mad...

you can't be serious with this question!

Pete-KT · 02-04-2005, 07:50 AM

Ivy I icq'ed you can you please reply

Dalai lama · 02-04-2005, 07:55 AM

what a scam

Furious_Male · 02-04-2005, 08:26 AM

Its good you were smart enough to catch it when you did.

I am just an affiliate so I am not sure how this works. It appears you have his info. If it is indeed correct do you have any legal options? Or is it simply not worth chasing?

ChefJeff · 02-04-2005, 08:39 AM

Way to be on top of things... so to speak

CoreAdult-Dee · 02-04-2005, 08:49 AM

Wow Ivy that sucks. Good thing is though you keep on top of things and are always checking into things when you have suspect something. Lord knows how long it would have gone on if you had not been on the ball

keyboard warrior · 02-04-2005, 08:54 AM

i had one guy send about 3k in cc and all were fake a shit load of charge backs.

andrej_NDC · 02-04-2005, 09:05 AM

Checks are available only for US surfers and everybody with money in US have a cc in my opinion. Mostly frauders pay by checks. Now somebody will tell, that his check sales are 20%+ of his income, but fact is, check option means less cc sales and many checks are returned...

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT

Ivy I icq'ed you can you please reply

Hey

Sorry, wasn't signed on, I'm back now

Ivy

Vanilla DeVille · 02-04-2005, 09:15 AM

Thanks for the heads up, Ivy... that's fucked up!

SinBucks · 02-04-2005, 09:28 AM

Awesome heads up! I already added the name, and email to my blacklist!

hydro · 02-04-2005, 09:45 AM

man i hate all these affiliates using other people's checks and credit cards, if you have any ip's or payment info submit it to his local police and they can get it done faster than if you contacted the fbi or secret service

JFK · 02-04-2005, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Well, not sure there is anything I can do, so posting a good rant just made me feel better LOL

Ivy

Sorry to hear that Ivy............ But I guess you feel better now

goBigtime · 02-04-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Hey, he has his home address listed on yahoo !!! LMFAO

Eww... bad post.

My attorney would freak the fuck out

TheDoc · 02-04-2005, 10:09 AM

Here are some others to make sure you don't have... All credit card fraud

Mikhailouskaya Natalia (BE)
[email protected]

Natalia Mikhailouskaya (BE)
[email protected]

Aron Feher (CA)
[email protected]

Alexei Trebounskikh (CA)
[email protected]

Dmytro Glyeba (CA)
[email protected]

Natalia Cameanaia (CA)
[email protected]

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoreAdult-Dee

Wow Ivy that sucks. Good thing is though you keep on top of things and are always checking into things when you have suspect something. Lord knows how long it would have gone on if you had not been on the ball

thanks girl!! Yea...that's a scary thought

Ivy

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goBigtime

Eww... bad post.

My attorney would freak the fuck out

Not really since it is public information available on yahoo :-

Ivy

iBanker · 02-04-2005, 10:17 AM

Yeah, checks can be problematic like that. Here is how we solved it:

We process through WTS and EC. I was noticing more of sufer abuse, than affiliate abuse. Surfers were signing up WITH checks and info like email address:

asddfghjk [email protected]

Now I think we all know this can't be a valid email address, Right? Well, I had to explain to the guys at another check processor that an email address cant have a space in it, nor is ".ccc" a properending. After about 5 minutes of arguing with her, she informed me that I was prolly wrong, and "this kind of thing happens". I then asked her to look up the name of that person signing up. Here is is:

adsf8d oi (or something to that effect)

Nice scrubbing you sons of bitches. I won the argument, switched the Check Processing, and now require a return email. Sales stayed about the same and I eliminated about 95% of the crap signups.

Doctor Dre · 02-04-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Alright, Spill it.....

Ivy

I dunno ... just reminds me something but I can't really tell what exactly ... I heard it b4

Doctor Dre · 02-04-2005, 10:20 AM

Somebody left him a nice message on his answering machine

PrivateIvy · 02-04-2005, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Somebody left him a nice message on his answering machine

WOOT !!!

Goody, Goody .... my evil horns are starting to show now

hehehe

Ivy

goBigtime · 02-04-2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

Not really since it is public information available on yahoo :-

Ivy

No really. He would.

Especially if I linked to the guys site in this thread (that he might stumble upon in his ref logs).

Anyway, just trying to offer a friendly suggestion to CYA during rants where you are being recorded forever.

02-03-2005, 09:30 PM	#1
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	Scamming Affiliate - Paysite owners beware...a PrivateIvy rant !! Maybe I'm just venting , and then again maybe someone knows who this guy is or if you recognize his info you can avoid having this done to you. Jan 3rd new affiliate signs up to one of my programs. Over the next week he sends about 100 uniques per day and gets 1 $89.95 signup per day for 6 days straight, which is when I started wondering and checked into how much traffic he was sending and from where. Of course I found that all the $89.95 signups were with Checks, and all using a hotmail address though they were all different info . Long story short, this fucker caused a total of $624.55 in returned check signups which were deducted from my check this week So here's to Mr Francis Beaulieu or Mr Orland Robles who owns www.YoungTeenTGP.Net and sends traffic from www.YoungTeenTGP.Net/real his email addresses if valid are: [email protected] and [email protected] so please feel free to share as many emails with him for viagra, mortgage rates, cialis, or add him to your site newsletters and well...you get the point Thanks for letting me rant Ivy

02-03-2005, 09:39 PM	#2
SquirtingCarly Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 359	Wow, Ivy that sucks thanks for putting the word out. __________________ FatFuckingCash

02-03-2005, 09:45 PM	#5
WWC #1 Adult Content Provider Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Glendale, Ca Posts: 11,577	Sucks...who do you use for online checks processing? Dont they recongnize and evaluate sales for you? ps; thanks for the heads up __________________ [email protected] ICQ : 494-353-230 Follow WWC on Twitter CLICK HERE! " CONTENT PROVIDER OF THE YEAR! " ~ 2007 , 2008 & 2009 XBIZ AWARDS WINNER! .......www.WorldWideContent.com / www.WorldWideFeeds.com...... WWC Nominated " Content Licensor of The Year " 2010 XBiz Awards !!!

02-03-2005, 09:54 PM	#8
NaughtyAllie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: CO Posts: 1,844	Sorry to hear that Ivy. Kick his ass! __________________

02-03-2005, 10:12 PM	#9
newbreed Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ThatOneProgram.com Posts: 9,898	Thanks for the heads up Ivy, looking to see if he is on our program now. __________________ Want to promote SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! \| Want to buy SUCCUBUS? Click HERE!!!! Yeah, yeah, you know, That One Program! \| Want to trade links with StompBunny.com? Loryn ‎(3:16 PM): I love it, just as long as we keep the bedroom door closed from all ears then we can have throw down hard core sex that makes us money haha fuck it we can have sex on money never did that before

02-03-2005, 09:50 PM	#7
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	it's not smart to have an 89.95 option available. ESPECIALLY on credit card transactions

02-03-2005, 10:26 PM	#12
Top Jimmy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down your street Posts: 2,513	I worked with the FBI on a carding operation being run through one of my programs. Pretty wild how good they are at finding people. You should contact them. They may help. In my case it was a huge amount of fraud, and it was stolen cards, so the FBI was glad to help. __________________ Don't reply. Let it die.

02-03-2005, 10:31 PM	#14
camcutie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 817	Happened to me a few time out of Russia. The Russian affiliate was signing up with stolen credit cards and stolen checks and 75% of them were charging back within a week or two. After the third time instead of cancelling the account I just set his percentage to 0%. I'm sure he didn't like that..... XOXOXO Krystal __________________ Please Visit My Website CamCutie.com ICQ 203-628-284

02-03-2005, 10:37 PM	#15
pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	That sucks Ivy, got the email addys. ;)

02-03-2005, 10:40 PM	#18
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Another day ...another scamming weasel __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

02-03-2005, 11:12 PM	#20
dcortez DINO CORTEZ™ Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 2,145	Checks are tricky business. I have two check options: 29.95 and 59.95 and I risk manage all check signups. Statistically, good check signups go for the 29.95 and bad check signups go for the $59.95 - it's a great filter. Theives are greedy. -Dino

02-03-2005, 11:12 PM	#21
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	haha, that would be great if someone went to his house!

02-04-2005, 04:02 AM	#23
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	That totally sucks, what are you going to do besides inform us all (and thank you for that)?

02-04-2005, 06:41 AM	#25
Extreme Nate Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 309	Thanks for the heads up on that fucker Ivy __________________ Rage Cash.com ICQ 127142695

02-04-2005, 07:03 AM	#26
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,122	Shit that suck's big time.

02-04-2005, 07:33 AM	#28
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Did you pay him? If not I don't get why you're so mad... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

02-04-2005, 07:50 AM	#30
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	Ivy I icq'ed you can you please reply

02-04-2005, 07:55 AM	#31
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	what a scam __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

02-04-2005, 08:26 AM	#32
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	Its good you were smart enough to catch it when you did. I am just an affiliate so I am not sure how this works. It appears you have his info. If it is indeed correct do you have any legal options? Or is it simply not worth chasing? __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

02-04-2005, 08:39 AM	#33
ChefJeff Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,499	Way to be on top of things... so to speak

02-04-2005, 08:49 AM	#34
CoreAdult-Dee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 187	Wow Ivy that sucks. Good thing is though you keep on top of things and are always checking into things when you have suspect something. Lord knows how long it would have gone on if you had not been on the ball __________________ Professional design, development, and "grunt work" for webmasters and sponsors at reasonable prices. NOT OFFSHORED. ICQ: 312068826 ::: AIM: CoreAdult :: Check us out

02-04-2005, 08:54 AM	#35
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	i had one guy send about 3k in cc and all were fake a shit load of charge backs. __________________ - nothing here -

02-04-2005, 09:05 AM	#36
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Checks are available only for US surfers and everybody with money in US have a cc in my opinion. Mostly frauders pay by checks. Now somebody will tell, that his check sales are 20%+ of his income, but fact is, check option means less cc sales and many checks are returned...

02-04-2005, 09:15 AM	#38
Vanilla DeVille Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona! Posts: 8,097	Thanks for the heads up, Ivy... that's fucked up! __________________ Kisses, Vanilla DeVille SKYPE: vanilladeville DeVilleDigital Twitter

02-04-2005, 09:28 AM	#39
SinBucks Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 331	Awesome heads up! I already added the name, and email to my blacklist!

02-04-2005, 09:45 AM	#40
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	man i hate all these affiliates using other people's checks and credit cards, if you have any ip's or payment info submit it to his local police and they can get it done faster than if you contacted the fbi or secret service

02-04-2005, 10:09 AM	#43
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Here are some others to make sure you don't have... All credit card fraud Mikhailouskaya Natalia (BE) [email protected] Natalia Mikhailouskaya (BE) [email protected] Aron Feher (CA) [email protected] Alexei Trebounskikh (CA) [email protected] Dmytro Glyeba (CA) [email protected] Natalia Cameanaia (CA) [email protected] __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-04-2005, 10:17 AM	#46
iBanker Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego, moving to Portland. Posts: 2,758	Yeah, checks can be problematic like that. Here is how we solved it: We process through WTS and EC. I was noticing more of sufer abuse, than affiliate abuse. Surfers were signing up WITH checks and info like email address: asddfghjk [email protected] Now I think we all know this can't be a valid email address, Right? Well, I had to explain to the guys at another check processor that an email address cant have a space in it, nor is ".ccc" a properending. After about 5 minutes of arguing with her, she informed me that I was prolly wrong, and "this kind of thing happens". I then asked her to look up the name of that person signing up. Here is is: adsf8d oi (or something to that effect) Nice scrubbing you sons of bitches. I won the argument, switched the Check Processing, and now require a return email. Sales stayed about the same and I eliminated about 95% of the crap signups. __________________ www.JasonandAlex.com Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170