Hmmm no one remembers the govt just closing down that guy in Philly (I think it was) with the thousands of typoed sites? Precedence is set. Bust this guy with the same means. Ignore the idiots that want to say there is nothing wrong with this sort of thing. We know where they come from. Now if they'd just go back there. They're the ones that think terra and 'borrowing' things is all ok too usually. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/tongue.gif

ok, if anyone cares I went to Jack in the Box.

And my stomach hurts.
It was good, but I have bad gas and cramps now.. Its been about 6 hours.

Keep you posted.

Should have gone to BK http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/rolleyes.gif

im sick

Amputate Your Head,

I understand your viewpoint too! but i still have to go against it!

the middleman scenario is very real and true. but i don't think it's an accurate analogy.

i'll attack it like this: if someone offers to sell me something, and i buy it, then i'm not getting screwed over. i offered to buy it for the price, and that's that. ...whether it's the middleman buying from the original, or the final guy buying from the middleman, they all know what is going on.

cybersquatters don't fit that analogy at all. a cybersquatter would be like an impersonater who jumps in the middle of the deal and steals it away. he only succeeds 1% of the time, but who cares?

and the bottom line is exactly what Gemini said:

Well, I'll agree to disagree with ya then HQ... I've lost interest in dragging out the point any more. It's been beaten to death. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Boneprone - at first you kind of thought cybersquatting was funny. Then you decided you did not think it was funny; you decided it was quite serious and you started this thread. Now you appear to think it is a big joke again. You know that email I sent you? About the games on this board? That is precisely what I am talking about.

To the others: Regarding the "zilla" in Thumbzilla. I have a detailed written agreement with the company that owns all rights to Godzilla.

Look, you can approach business from an ethical standpoint or an unethical one. I attempt to approach it from an ethical standpoint. I consider cybersquatting to be unethical and unprincipled. And I definitely do NOT consider cybersquatting to be a joke. That is just my opinion.

The FTC is getting more and more serious about cybersquatting, too. They are really starting to crack down on it because of all the surfers complaining to them about it. It is really starting to mushroom. People are getting fed up with it. And, yes, eventually that could cause the downfall of the adult internet.

Incidentally - thumbzillas.com has now been transferred to me :-)

Congrats. Chalk one up for the good guys.




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Dot Matrix TGP System
GiggleBerries.com TGP

I must disagree on this small point - if the domain didn't exist, the surfer would notice the error (the fact that no page pops up), and then corrected it. So they are stealing - no matter how small it is.

Ha ha ha, yes, very true... or is it? perhaps you missed a point... how many inventions from great minds who knew nothing of marketing or of getting patents were stolen and then it made millions for the person who stole it and patented it? Quite a lot. It happens. Flattery my ass. They are in it for the bucks. Once I'm rolling in the millions off of your idea, and I told you that your idea is worth tons of money, how big of smile from my flattery would you have?

(I do realize we're not talking millions in this particular case, but I was simply making a point.)

Okay.... seems the people on both sides of the argument are never going to see eye to eye... so how about a solution:

Pass legislation that makes typo squatting illegal, and at the same time mandate that all hosts must redirect 404 errors to the highest bidder. Better?

Interesting thread guys - I dunno if anyone is still reading this but I wanted to post.

First, I respect everyone here, you guys are amazing at working the current adult internet and making some cash out of it. Everyone here plays this game so well.

However, I can't believe how much everyone is jumping against this "cybersquatting" fiasco. I can't believe that intelligent people here are saying that its all about "principles" and that cybersquatting is going to be the "downfall of the adult internet". What the FUCK are you talking about?!

Before, everyone was bitching about how big, super-clean, "quality" TGP's are going to be the downfall of the adult business! Maybe these guys who cybersquat your misspellings and whack those surfers with 10000 popups are actually creating much more "willing to purchase" surfers - once those surfers correct their misspelling and hit your "real" tgp.

As for principles?! Is this a fucking joke? HOW THE HELL DO WE SELL PORN? We sure as fuck do not use principles. Do we offer 30day money back guarantees? Do we let EVERY SURFER know that he will have his credit card charged NEXT MONTH? Or do we make it as difficult as humanly possible to cancel a fucking membership. Wake up!
We "give away" trial memberships then whack people with 30-50 fees after a few days.
We sell "free AVS" passwords.
Hell, we sell REAL AVS passwords, which are nothing more than a waste of money.
We blind link.
We sell paysites that have gorgeous tours with bullshit leased content.
We sell paysites that have freesite entrances.
We use DIALERS - DIALERS guys, that fucking trick people into paying for our porn.
Then, after we have taken everyone for a ride, we sell them this great software that erases their tracks.

And I'm not saying that the any of the above methods of selling is "wrong". They aren't "wrong" to any of us, who make cash that way. None of us complain about ANY of those methods. We talk and exchange ideas on how to be slicker, how to be sharper, how to be better at working them - for even more money.
Yet we bitch and moan when someone makes up their own method of working this game, if it in the slightest way takes away from our cash.

Listen to me. If you started a major website, with major effort, and didn't buy all the misspellings of your name, then you got played. Someone who was sharper and hungrier than you made a move and played you.
Just like the surfer who used the dialer got played... who bought the AVS pass... and who signed up for the free trial.


C'mon fellas -
Vinny

A-Fuckin'-Men brother!

cool! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

kick ass.

ShuCash,

i think you're missing the point. blind links are deceiving, yes, but YOU are the one who is 'screwing' YOUR surfers who YOU brought to YOUR site. it's all YOU. the other side is stealing traffic that another webmaster 'built', and thus taking away from his/her work.

it's completely different.

according to your argument, there are NO principles, so therefore i should be able to hack entire domains and point them to my server? that's an extreme case... the point is that this is not a black and white issue.

edit: forgot the "NO" in there! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 10-26-2001).]

fuck, i don't even know what my fucking point is!!!

i guess my point is that you can't use the 'no principles in porn' rule to dictate that anyone can just do whatever they want. there has to be lines drawn somewhere, and it appears the law is starting to show this.

i don't want them to go overboard, becuase there are A LOT of similar domain names that i have (and have put to proper use), and i don't want the original guys coming after me. this is a very touchy issue.

can the person who registered www.nudes.com go after www.nudez.com for instance? even if they both have completely legit sites?

You're losin' steam bro.... now you're saying it's perfectly fine to throw the high and mighty principles right out the fuckin' window and fuck over your surfers, provided that it is YOU doing the fucking.... but if someone bends YOU over and makes a buck on them, then it's back to principles and ethics time.... hehe... listen to yourself man... it's not workin' ...

i'm not saying it's ok amp!!

i'm just saying that's what you do to your surfers! i can't help or stop that!

i didn't explain myself well if i came off saying that it's ok to fuck the surfer! i'm totally against screwing the surfer!

HQ -

I understand what you mean about screwing over YOUR own surfers. Thing is, I don't know if the traffic from a misspelled domain BELONGS to the owner of the correctly spelled domain, ESPECIALLY in the adult arena. This is my personal opinion, I am not sure of the exact laws regarding this, which is an entirely different matter.
My point was that I am surprised to see such so many people, who regularly make money off of deception, so eager to attack another group that is making money off of deception. It seems hypocritical.

Oh, and hijacking a domain and registering a misspelling is absolutely not the same thing. In that case, it IS black and white.

Vin

Zilla-

Trust me Ive handled the matter my own boneproneish way. Dont think I just laughed it all off.

I happen to be friends with all his sponsors and have talked to him personally.

It is settled. My main concern now is what should I eat. Jack in The Box really fucked me up yesterday.

Im thinking Dim Sum today.

So you have NEVER used a blink link, 404 redirection, or console? Because as a surfer, I consider those things to be fucking me.

Dim sum? Yes no? What the fuck do you guys think?

ShuCash,

you're right, hijacking domains is black and white. i was just saying that a line has to be drawn somewhere and i used an extreme case to show it.

i respect your opionion too. i see both sides of this issue. however, i believe if i made an impression on a surfer to type in www.hqdailynudes.com to come to my site, then he/she should come to my site. i believe i 'own' that surfer.

also, i don't think i make money off deception. check my site out: www.hqdailynude.com/index2.html

Amputate Your Head,
i don't like screwing the surfer, and i've never used blind links actually! i've barely promote dialers on my sites (which i've always properly described as 'sex software'). plus the dialer tells u that it's making a long-dist call. that's a bit of screwing, i do admit. and i have used consoles, but nothing overwhelming. i only use consoles cuz i can't find enough clean sites to trade with. i just can't do anything else about it. i'd trade 100% clean if i could, trust me.

basically, i've done my best to not screw the surfer.

that's why i have www.hqdailynude.com/index2.html . it's a popup-less version of my site that i use for link trading as much as i can with other clean sites.

also, all my links are 'real'... no cgi-crap. this even improves other sites link popularity in SEs, something that not a lot of sites do back for me.


[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 10-26-2001).]

The domains have been trasfered over now.

I gotta give the Dim Sum a no vote. As your attorney, I would advise you to enjoy a #3 combo from Taco Bell, with hard shells and a Mountain Dew.

which domains?! mine haven't!

why no dim sum?
How can ya not like a goof Hom Bow.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Sorry you had a bad experience with jack in the box boneprone.

I just read this thread, or would have let you know, j.i.t.b. has had at least 3 major e-coli outbreaks in the last 7 years.

All different franchises in different states, and supposedly from different meat processors, but...

with that record... I will always pass on them.

RMS

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Goat Resources

oriental is a good choice... if it isnt in an inner city neighborhood

the cats are to tempting a target for some of the restaurant owners

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

RMS

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Let's get every Mamber of this board to img src attack these bastards..We can put img src tags to their sites on every page of every GFY members sites..then the fuckers will get a HUGE bandwidth bill!!!

Sounds like another great spacedog plan. Count me in.

Anybody else?

Ah Spacedog...thanks for the memories.

ALL YOUR DOMAIN ARE BELONG TO US!

I sale bonesprone.ru

Just a question...every day and every night I see everyone bitch about this and that...and how you are going to fix the wrongdoer for good... The words "paper tigers" comes to mind...

And, what if one of those surfers out there took exception to you tricking them into buying a membership through one of the FREE VIP offers or other tricks of the trade...Guess they are in their rights to "shut you down". Whats wrong my little "angels"...don't like it when someone plays you at your own game...suck it up princess.

Actually I'll get to this one before Zilla does. Matrix has a very strong relationship with Zilla, and he's done us a ton of favors, and we've helped him out to, however he absolutely refuses to push Matrix Bucks either through Banner spots, or galleries, because he believes our "Free Join" program takes advantage of his surfers. So regardless of how good of friends we are, he won't promote us. On one hand, we lose out on money, but at the same time, you have to respect a man that looks out for the surfers that much.

Zilla, I work with Jeff, you haven't met me yet, but my real name is Justin, and my ICQ is 7556924 if you ever want to get in touch.

TarPy

Ok...And what about those inicent people who DO buy NAMES with their hard earned money ....With no malicious intent toward anyone else who thinkgs the name I bought is stealing there traffic?

For instance I bought a name....(fanbased site) non-profit Didn't know about the cybersquatting laws until I recieved a letter from the lawyers....saying they WANT MY NAME...That I paid for...

And say I don't have the income to fight them....Is it fair to just steal my name just because they have the money to throw around?


I feel it's wrong and thief of my rights and name....It's not my damn fault they didn't think to register it. and it's not MY fault that the registrar let me registrar it. So who do you think is liable? ME? The registar?

I say neither....for the simple fact I BOUGHT IT WITH MY MONEY....With no malicious intent in mind what so ever.

Now just because my search engines placement is number 1 , I have to give my name to them...FUCK THAT SHIT

Ummm ... BRITNEYSPEARSNUDE.COM is not malicious ?? :1orglaugh