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KRL · 01-27-2005, 10:09 AM

This is the shit that really pisses me off to no end and is such a total bullshit reality when people give aid $$ to genuinely help suffering people and the sleazy businessmen step in to the picture and gouge the money from the aid $$$ we send by jacking up prices where all the aid organizations are operating.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._from_disaster

NickPapageorgio · 01-27-2005, 10:12 AM

What a bunch of shit.

That's sad...

chowda · 01-27-2005, 10:16 AM

there is no free lunch in this world.

nico-t · 01-27-2005, 10:16 AM

what else is new

sperbonzo · 01-27-2005, 10:19 AM

Check THIS out.....

/*Subject:*/ Tsunami Relief from the USS Lincoln

>>Subject: The USS Lincoln and Tsunami Relief
>>I can imagine that it truly has been a zoo out there. khl
>>01-20-2005 Guest Column: No Relief in Sight for the Lincoln By Ed Stanton
>>It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived
>>off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the
>>Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I'd like to say that this
>>has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has
>>been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more
>>difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of
>>so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces.
>>What really irritated me was a scene I witnessed in the Lincoln's
>>wardroom a few days ago. I went in for breakfast as I usually do,
>>expecting to see the usual crowd of ship's company officers in khakis and
>>air wing aviators in flight suits, drinking coffee and exchanging rumors
>>about when our ongoing humanitarian mission in Sumatra is going to end.
>>What I saw instead was a mob of civilians sitting around like they owned
>>the place. They wore various colored vests with logos on the back
>>including Save The Children, World Health Organization and the dreaded
>>baby blue vest of the United Nations. Mixed in with this crowd were a
>>bunch of reporters, cameramen and Indonesian military officers in
>>uniform. They all carried cameras, sunglasses and fanny packs like
>>tourists on their way to Disneyland.
>>My warship had been transformed into a floating hotel for a bunch of
>>trifling do-gooders overnight.
>>As I went through the breakfast line, I overheard one of the U.N
>>strap-hangers, a longhaired guy with a beard, make a sarcastic comment to
>>one of our food servers. He said something along the lines of "Nice
>>china, really makes me feel special," in reference to the fact that we
>>were eating off of paper plates that day. It was all I could do to keep
>>from jerking him off his feet and choking him, because I knew that the
>>reason we were eating off paper plates was to save dishwashing water so
>>that we would have more water to send ashore and save lives. That plus
>>the fact that he had no business being there in the first place.
>>My attitude towards these unwanted no-loads grew steadily worse that day
>>as I learned more from one of our junior officers who was assigned to
>>escort a group of them. It turns out that they had come to Indonesia to
>>"assess the damage" from the Dec. 26 tsunami.
>>Well, they could have turned on any TV in the world and seen that the
>>damage was total devastation. When they got to Sumatra with no plan, no
>>logistics support and no five-star hotels to stay in, they threw
>>themselves on the mercy of the U.S. Navy, which, unfortunately, took them
>>in. I guess our senior brass was hoping for some good PR since this was
>>about the time that the U.N. was calling the United States "stingy" with
>>our relief donations.
>>As a result of having to host these people, our severely over-tasked
>>SH-60 Seahawk helos, which were carrying tons of food and water every day
>>to the most inaccessible places in and around Banda Aceh, are now used in
>>great part to ferry these "relief workers" from place to place every day
>>and bring them back to their guest bedrooms on the Lincoln at night.
>>Despite their avowed dedication to helping the victims, these relief
>>workers will not spend the night in-country, and have made us their
>>guardians by default.
>>When our wardroom treasurer approached the leader of the relief group and
>>asked him who was paying the mess bill for all the meals they ate, the
>>fellow replied, "We aren't paying, you can try to bill the U.N. if you
>>want to."
>>In addition to the relief workers, we routinely get tasked with hauling
>>around reporters and various low-level "VIPs," which further wastes
>>valuable helo lift that could be used to carry supplies. We had to
>>dedicate two helos and a C-2 cargo plane for America-hater Dan Rather and
>>his entourage of door holders and briefcase carriers from CBS News.
>>Another camera crew was from MTV. I doubt if we'll get any good PR from
>>them, since the cable channel is banned in Muslim countries. We also had
>>to dedicate a helo and crew to fly around the vice mayor of Phoenix,
>>Ariz., one day. Everyone wants in on the action.
>>As for the Indonesian officers, while their job is apparently to
>>encourage our leaving as soon as possible, all they seem to do in the
>>meantime is smoke cigarettes. They want our money and our help but they
>>don't want their population to see that Americans are doing far more for
>>them in two weeks than their own government has ever done or will ever do
>>for them.
>>To add a kick in the face to the USA and the Lincoln, the Indonesian
>>government announced it would not allow us to use their airspace for
>>routine training and flight proficiency operations while we are saving
>>the lives of their people, some of whom are wearing Osama bin Ladin
>>T-shirts as they grab at our food and water. The ship has to steam out
>>into international waters to launch and recover jets, which makes our
>>helos have to fly longer distances and burn more fuel.
>>What is even worse than trying to help people who totally reject
>>everything we stand for is that our combat readiness has suffered for it.
>>An aircraft carrier is an instrument of national policy and the big stick
>>she carries is her air wing. An air wing has a set of very demanding
>>skills and they are highly perishable. We train hard every day at sea to
>>conduct actual air strikes, air defense, maritime surveillance, close air
>>support and many other missions - not to mention taking off and landing
>>on a ship at sea.
>>Our safety regulations state that if a pilot does not get a night carrier
>>landing every seven days, he has to be re-qualified to land on the ship.
>>Today we have pilots who have now been over 25 days without a trap due to
>>being unable to use Indonesian airspace to train. Normally it is when we
>>are at sea that our readiness is at its very peak. Thanks to the
>>Indonesian government, we have to waive our own safety rules just to get
>>our pilots off the deck.
>>In other words, the longer we stay here helping these people, the more
>>dangerous it gets for us to operate. We have already lost one helicopter,
>>which crashed in Banda Aceh while taking sailors ashore to unload
>>supplies from the C-130s. There were no relief workers on that one.
>>I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but it is time to give this
>>mission to somebody other than the U.S. Navy. Our ship was supposed to be
>>home on Feb. 3 and now we have no idea how long we will be here. American
>>taxpayers are spending millions per day to keep this ship at sea and
>>getting no training value out of it. As a result, we will come home in a
>>lower state of readiness than when we left due to the lack of flying
>>while supporting the tsunami relief effort.
>>I hope we get some good PR in the Muslim world out of it. After all, this
>>is Americans saving the lives of Muslims. I have my doubts.
>>Ed Stanton is the pen name of a career U.S. Navy officer currently
>>serving with the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group.

KRL · 01-27-2005, 10:24 AM

Wow that US Navy letter is disturbing to the max.

Nysus · 01-27-2005, 10:25 AM

That's really shitty.

Matt

Head · 01-27-2005, 10:45 AM

That is a real fucking shame!!! Regards to the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group.

JFK · 01-27-2005, 10:45 AM

when Disaster strikes like this, all the lowlifes come out of the woodwork to benefit from it

dirtydesignz · 01-27-2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

when Disaster strikes like this, all the lowlifes come out of the woodwork to benefit from it

Boy thats the truth...

RP Fade · 01-27-2005, 11:00 AM

there was also fake donation sites using paypal

Jace · 01-27-2005, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Check THIS out.....

/*Subject:*/ Tsunami Relief from the USS Lincoln

>>Subject: The USS Lincoln and Tsunami Relief
>>I can imagine that it truly has been a zoo out there. khl
>>01-20-2005 Guest Column: No Relief in Sight for the Lincoln By Ed Stanton
>>It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived
>>off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the
>>Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I'd like to say that this
>>has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has
>>been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more
>>difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of
>>so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces..

keep your eye on this page, what you just posted could also end up being fake

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lincoln.asp

Head · 01-27-2005, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

keep your eye on this page, what you just posted could also end up being fake

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lincoln.asp

I've bookmarked it but it sounds real enough to me. A little onesided but i feel it's mostly truthful.

reynold · 01-28-2005, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

This is the shit that really pisses me off to no end and is such a total bullshit reality when people give aid $$ to genuinely help suffering people and the sleazy businessmen step in to the picture and gouge the money from the aid $$$ we send by jacking up prices where all the aid organizations are operating.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._from_disaster

Yes, that sucks I know.

Joe Citizen · 01-28-2005, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

This is the shit that really pisses me off to no end and is such a total bullshit reality when people give aid $$ to genuinely help suffering people and the sleazy businessmen step in to the picture and gouge the money from the aid $$$ we send by jacking up prices where all the aid organizations are operating.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._from_disaster

It's called capitalism, KRL.

Supply and demand.

You can make much more money from human misery!

TheMob · 01-28-2005, 02:22 AM

it's called capitalism, if you don't like it move to china.

SleazyDream · 01-28-2005, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

This is the shit that really pisses me off to no end and is such a total bullshit reality when people give aid $$ to genuinely help suffering people and the sleazy businessmen step in to the picture and gouge the money from the aid $$$ we send by jacking up prices where all the aid organizations are operating.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._from_disaster

i thought 'sleazy' was a good term?

pornstar2pac · 01-28-2005, 03:14 AM

someone always has to make money

Joe Citizen · 01-28-2005, 04:21 AM

Joe Citizen · 01-28-2005, 04:25 AM

Joe Citizen · 01-28-2005, 04:28 AM

sonofsam · 01-28-2005, 04:58 AM

im happy to have opened your thread and read what you wrote.. i was pleasantly suprised... because i was expecting to see a "why do we help them when nobody cares about america" kind of thread... props

PHPdude · 01-28-2005, 04:59 AM

the tsunami appeal is like so huge now i recon they could rebuild thier country ten times over.

Dalai lama · 01-28-2005, 05:00 AM

How sad

richard · 01-28-2005, 05:52 AM

What did you think the money was going to be used for, building houses out of dollar bills?

DraX · 01-28-2005, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

This is the shit that really pisses me off to no end and is such a total bullshit reality when people give aid $$ to genuinely help suffering people and the sleazy businessmen step in to the picture and gouge the money from the aid $$$ we send by jacking up prices where all the aid organizations are operating.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._from_disaster

Nothing surprises me anymore, i also read a few articles past weeks about a few "legal" organisations raising money for the victims of the tsunami. The funds has to be divided 25% max to administration costs minimum 75% must go to the purpose of the raise. The numbers wasnt correct and they were talking about big organisations we are all familiar of. Also people in the top of the organisations had brand new jaguars as "company car". Stunning how people are greedy.

Im just a guy working hard and doing everything correct and by the book, wonder if it does matter in the long run

01-27-2005, 10:09 AM	#1
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Tsuanmi Aid Bullshit This is the shit that really pisses me off to no end and is such a total bullshit reality when people give aid $$ to genuinely help suffering people and the sleazy businessmen step in to the picture and gouge the money from the aid $$$ we send by jacking up prices where all the aid organizations are operating. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._from_disaster __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains Last edited by KRL; 01-27-2005 at 10:11 AM..

01-27-2005, 10:12 AM	#2
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01-27-2005, 10:19 AM	#5
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,750	Check THIS out..... /Subject:/ Tsunami Relief from the USS Lincoln >>Subject: The USS Lincoln and Tsunami Relief >>I can imagine that it truly has been a zoo out there. khl >>01-20-2005 Guest Column: No Relief in Sight for the Lincoln By Ed Stanton >>It has been three weeks since my ship, the USS Abraham Lincoln, arrived >>off the Sumatran coast to aid the hundreds of thousands of victims of the >>Dec. 26 tsunami that ravaged their coastline. I'd like to say that this >>has been a rewarding experience for us, but it has not: Instead, it has >>been a frustrating and needlessly dangerous exercise made even more >>difficult by the Indonesian government and a traveling circus of >>so-called aid workers who have invaded our spaces. >>What really irritated me was a scene I witnessed in the Lincoln's >>wardroom a few days ago. I went in for breakfast as I usually do, >>expecting to see the usual crowd of ship's company officers in khakis and >>air wing aviators in flight suits, drinking coffee and exchanging rumors >>about when our ongoing humanitarian mission in Sumatra is going to end. >>What I saw instead was a mob of civilians sitting around like they owned >>the place. They wore various colored vests with logos on the back >>including Save The Children, World Health Organization and the dreaded >>baby blue vest of the United Nations. Mixed in with this crowd were a >>bunch of reporters, cameramen and Indonesian military officers in >>uniform. They all carried cameras, sunglasses and fanny packs like >>tourists on their way to Disneyland. >>My warship had been transformed into a floating hotel for a bunch of >>trifling do-gooders overnight. >>As I went through the breakfast line, I overheard one of the U.N >>strap-hangers, a longhaired guy with a beard, make a sarcastic comment to >>one of our food servers. He said something along the lines of "Nice >>china, really makes me feel special," in reference to the fact that we >>were eating off of paper plates that day. It was all I could do to keep >>from jerking him off his feet and choking him, because I knew that the >>reason we were eating off paper plates was to save dishwashing water so >>that we would have more water to send ashore and save lives. That plus >>the fact that he had no business being there in the first place. >>My attitude towards these unwanted no-loads grew steadily worse that day >>as I learned more from one of our junior officers who was assigned to >>escort a group of them. It turns out that they had come to Indonesia to >>"assess the damage" from the Dec. 26 tsunami. >>Well, they could have turned on any TV in the world and seen that the >>damage was total devastation. When they got to Sumatra with no plan, no >>logistics support and no five-star hotels to stay in, they threw >>themselves on the mercy of the U.S. Navy, which, unfortunately, took them >>in. I guess our senior brass was hoping for some good PR since this was >>about the time that the U.N. was calling the United States "stingy" with >>our relief donations. >>As a result of having to host these people, our severely over-tasked >>SH-60 Seahawk helos, which were carrying tons of food and water every day >>to the most inaccessible places in and around Banda Aceh, are now used in >>great part to ferry these "relief workers" from place to place every day >>and bring them back to their guest bedrooms on the Lincoln at night. >>Despite their avowed dedication to helping the victims, these relief >>workers will not spend the night in-country, and have made us their >>guardians by default. >>When our wardroom treasurer approached the leader of the relief group and >>asked him who was paying the mess bill for all the meals they ate, the >>fellow replied, "We aren't paying, you can try to bill the U.N. if you >>want to." >>In addition to the relief workers, we routinely get tasked with hauling >>around reporters and various low-level "VIPs," which further wastes >>valuable helo lift that could be used to carry supplies. We had to >>dedicate two helos and a C-2 cargo plane for America-hater Dan Rather and >>his entourage of door holders and briefcase carriers from CBS News. >>Another camera crew was from MTV. I doubt if we'll get any good PR from >>them, since the cable channel is banned in Muslim countries. We also had >>to dedicate a helo and crew to fly around the vice mayor of Phoenix, >>Ariz., one day. Everyone wants in on the action. >>As for the Indonesian officers, while their job is apparently to >>encourage our leaving as soon as possible, all they seem to do in the >>meantime is smoke cigarettes. They want our money and our help but they >>don't want their population to see that Americans are doing far more for >>them in two weeks than their own government has ever done or will ever do >>for them. >>To add a kick in the face to the USA and the Lincoln, the Indonesian >>government announced it would not allow us to use their airspace for >>routine training and flight proficiency operations while we are saving >>the lives of their people, some of whom are wearing Osama bin Ladin >>T-shirts as they grab at our food and water. The ship has to steam out >>into international waters to launch and recover jets, which makes our >>helos have to fly longer distances and burn more fuel. >>What is even worse than trying to help people who totally reject >>everything we stand for is that our combat readiness has suffered for it. >>An aircraft carrier is an instrument of national policy and the big stick >>she carries is her air wing. An air wing has a set of very demanding >>skills and they are highly perishable. We train hard every day at sea to >>conduct actual air strikes, air defense, maritime surveillance, close air >>support and many other missions - not to mention taking off and landing >>on a ship at sea. >>Our safety regulations state that if a pilot does not get a night carrier >>landing every seven days, he has to be re-qualified to land on the ship. >>Today we have pilots who have now been over 25 days without a trap due to >>being unable to use Indonesian airspace to train. Normally it is when we >>are at sea that our readiness is at its very peak. Thanks to the >>Indonesian government, we have to waive our own safety rules just to get >>our pilots off the deck. >>In other words, the longer we stay here helping these people, the more >>dangerous it gets for us to operate. We have already lost one helicopter, >>which crashed in Banda Aceh while taking sailors ashore to unload >>supplies from the C-130s. There were no relief workers on that one. >>I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but it is time to give this >>mission to somebody other than the U.S. Navy. Our ship was supposed to be >>home on Feb. 3 and now we have no idea how long we will be here. American >>taxpayers are spending millions per day to keep this ship at sea and >>getting no training value out of it. As a result, we will come home in a >>lower state of readiness than when we left due to the lack of flying >>while supporting the tsunami relief effort. >>I hope we get some good PR in the Muslim world out of it. After all, this >>is Americans saving the lives of Muslims. I have my doubts. >>Ed Stanton is the pen name of a career U.S. Navy officer currently >>serving with the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group. __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

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01-27-2005, 10:45 AM	#8
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