Yea good job. No its okay, it brings out the best of a person when the side with the underage photographer.

:Oh crap

Transaltion:

For all the russian webmasters.
Thank you for your help. Now i really now, we will always be in shit with these ______

I cant get that last word.

But dont blame this on being russian, blame it on yourself for messing up the resleases.

http://www.modelperfect.com/legalities.asp

"Legal Information" in the menu on the left side.

Yes, he put those up after I pointed it and sent me an ICQ that he updated his site.


Fight the Good Deed for the Day!

Ahh, I see that now.

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:h...legalities.asp

The word "_____" means "brotherhood" ;) Personally I would always be happy to support any Russian webmaster who will be blamed for his nationality. I hate any form of racism, nationalism and national discrimination. But actually it's not the case... I didn't see any message where m2mm was blamed for being Russian.

P.S. I'm Russian too.

For those that produce content, you need to have a signed Model release as well as a copy of the identification documents (ie. passport) AT THE TIME of the shoot.

Each time you shoot a model, you need this info, EVEN IF ITS THE SAME MODEL that you shoot the next week.

You are establishing the photo shoot as the productive work and the required documentation that goes with it to prove proof of age.

So if you had a model that you shoot once a month for a year, then you would end up having 12 diffent pieces of documentation for that photo shoot.

inbetween the time you shot the girl, her hair color could be different, she could have added a new stage name, got married, etc. This information is what gets captured.

So if the photo shoot was 2 years ago and the date of the model release is more recent, there is something very wrong with that.

In what has been presented here, a model could be underage (ie. 17) at time of production and no documents were collected, and then a year later, the model release was signed and the ID shows she is 18 now.. the issue is at the time the images were taken, the girl was underage.. and that's the issue that U.S. law is very specific about, because a child was exploited sexually via the photographs.

Traci Lords is the similar situation that triggered 2257 because she was underaged at the time of production, but when this was found out, she was over 18....

This is all very U.S.-centric.. and many international content producers may not be concerned because in some European countries, 16-17 is legal.

The issue then is for webmaster who are going to use this content (and which probably the models look very young to begin with), will have to be sure that they models are over 18... because young looking models will be the first thing that gets law enforcement attention to start asking the simple question of , where did you get these images from? For which you will need to be able to point them to your source who needs to be available to provide proof of age, otherwise, you, the webmaster with those young looking images, could face jail time.

Content Producers will most likely not give you photo ID (they are not required to and it's a serious security and privacy issue to do so). Some may give you blackened out ID showing birthdate.. but that's not going to hold up in court. If the content producer can't prove the age with credible looking documentation, then the crosshairs could come back to you.

Get your content from credible sources, ones that are looking to be around for the long term, such that in case you get a knock on the door, you can point law enforcement to the content producer, who should be able to easily provide correct documentation to get you off the hook.

This issue of 2257 and obscenity is a time-bomb... be sure to know who you are dealing with when it comes to getting content.

Fight the Boom!

Ditto, where from?

Yeah I can confirm that I did add the Custodian of Records after his post and icq'd him a thank him for pointing it out.

wow, big thread here. major shit

250 underage sets....

The girl was very likely Russian and poor. So what's the odds she reads or speaks English?

Blowing past all the smoke and side stepping the bullshit. the bottom line is, the models ID, the date the release is signed. Does anybody here think that "paperwork error" is gonna cut it with a Federal Judge as a defense?

Face it, if anybody gets dragged into court for a 2257 violation, it's already acknowledged that your a pornographer, and they are trying to prove that your a lying Child Pornographer. How much slack do you think you'll get.

Do you think they'll wait for you to get some documents from Russia?

Time to wake up folks.

James

Ummm, didn't you read the other 250 posts? :winkwink: We already know that, but thanks:)

That looks really fucking bad.

You sent the wrong releases, what kind of an orgainsation are you running and what the fuck are you doing doing even having models younger than 18 anywhere near you?

russians ......... what a surprise

not

do you have a model release translated to Russian that the models sign and are you prepared to give that to your clients?

I wondered how long it would be before this stupid remark popped up.

Did you read about the pimps in San Diego recruiting under age girls for prostitution?

It's not the country it's the supplier. My documentation sales pass corporate lawyers at Hustler, Score, PRO and more. Companies that do not accept content for approval without full documentation and it being thoroughly checked.

This girl just turned 18, anything shot of her before October 20th 2004 makes the model release invalid unless it's backed up with the signature, and to be safe IDs, of the legal guardian.

Shooting porn in Russia is illegal though.

What comes out in this whole thread is the lack of professionlaism on both sides, Logan and Mark.

Logan it looks like you accepted content onto your US premises of models without checking the IDs, STUPID. Be the supplier Russian, Martian or the guy next door check the documentation on ALL models thoroughly. If in doubt get the documentation resent. The SAME documentation not different ones, a model can work when they are under and over age.

Logan, stop buying on price and you might get better sales and documentation.

Only accept content from producers who will supply TWO goverment issued IDs, have a picture of the model holding the document next to her face on EVERY SET. Check the signature on the ID and on the Model Release match. Check the names, dates and that the model filled in all parts of the Release.

Mark, get efficient you're a fuck up and people could do prison time because of you. The documentation has to be sent out 100% perfect in the first place.

I've been looking for content producers recently and was contacted by Do My Photo amongst others.

One of the Russian providers sent me samples of girls that looked 16-17, when I asked the age of the girls I was told 18. So I asked for the IDs of the girls before I ordered custom sets of her, said I needed vibrator insertion shots and would only pay on delivery and acceptance.

I was told payment up front, documentation with the order and the girls would only do non insertion. This set off big alarm bells. In my experience of shooting content few 18 year old have a problem with vibrators, I think the content was already shot. So who knows the age of the girls.

I stopped dealing with this guy.

If Logan get's visited by the police he's facing jail time for having the content on his premises. Not only jail time, the whole process will totally fuck him up, the police and Distric Attorney will make sure of it.

My advice to him is to go throught EVERY piece of content he has and if any of it will not satisfy a judge get it put right immediately or burn it. Giving the address of a producer in Czech or Bulgaria or the US for Keeper of Records, does not cut it for me as a supplier of porn.

:2 cents:

Actually here in Russia poor doesn't mean not educated. Everyone in Russia MUST to complete at least 8-year school. And almost all schools have an imperative English course. Actually Russian education system is still very strong. That's why the States were using Russian rockets to send their astronauts and cargos to the orbit during all past year :winkwink:

BTW, the meaning of "poor" in Russia differs depending the region. For example, you will be considered a poor man is your income is about $100 and you are living in some small Siberian village. However the person earning $300-$500 a month is also considered poor in Moscow or St. Petersburg. So the income rate in big Russian cities is rather high. Also don't forget that about 20% of all Russians are living in 2 cities only: Moscow and St. Petersburg. I don't even count other big cities... So make your conclusion.

Shut the fuck up and try to read the topic, moron. Should I remind you the story with all-American scandal regarding pedo- priests?.. Or should I remind you the official US statistics according to which about 35%-40% of ALL US children are subject of sexual abuse in THEIR OWN FAMILIES.

americans... what a surprise

not

2all: Sorry guys just don't like the morons.

Not exactly. Shooting porn is absolutely legal in Russia, but(!!!) selling porn in Russia is really illegal. You may shoot tons of porn here for your own usage but you can't sell it.

P.S.

Not exactly. Shooting porn is absolutely legal in Russia, but(!!!) selling porn in Russia is really illegal. You may shoot tons of porn here for your own usage but you can't sell it.

P.S. As about 17yo... Yes, according to Russian laws (the fucked up laws I'd note) you can have a sexual relation with a person

Not exactly. Shooting porn is absolutely legal in Russia, but(!!!) selling porn in Russia is really illegal. You may shoot tons of porn here for your own usage but you can't sell it.

P.S. As about 17yo... Yes, according to Russian laws (the fucked up laws I'd note) you can have a sexual relation with a 14yo+ person, but you can't shoot her/him on photo and video even for yourself.

OK you got me on that one, but what Mark is doing is still illegal by selling it.

As for poor and deucation, it's the same the world round. The poor live in the poor areas which tend to have the poorer schools and teachers so the ecucation is poorer.

Same in Moscow, London and Washington.

With the exceptional schools standing out.

Agreed.

BTW, the most funny thing here in Russia is that porn is being sold everywhere. XXX DVD's and magazines are being sold openly in many stalls. Each VHS/DVD lease company has a fat list of XXX movies. Few Russian satellite and cable TV providers (inclusing famous NTV copmany) are translating XXX Private Gold channel 24/7. Even some public (i.e. non-crypted) TV channels are translating the movies like "Caligula" without any cuts - with closeup cumshot scenes etc. So the anti-porn law here works on the papers only...

charly, just a small offtopic... Do you have ready-to-sell picture sets for exclusive sale? I mean this: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=6455975

i might be wrong, but it looks like SWEDGUY lost his grandad in the Russian forests in WW2, that guy is totally retarded, all russians are scammers for him, bad bad bad :321GFY

LOL when it comes to underage girls 1 mistake in 100 years is 1 mistake too many...

When you content guy says"

Mark (04:08 PM) :
she put wrong date in release. it's unpossible

Mark (04:14 PM) :
dont worry. look birth dates please. I sent wrong releases probably.
or girls did mistake. I will look all papers

ModelPerfect.com (04:22 PM) :
all I have to go on is the documents...and that's all the Federal
Government will have to go on... I can't trust excuses

Mark (04:24 PM) :
so?

ModelPerfect.com (04:25 PM) :
so?!?! it's illegal. I publish these photos, and I go to
jail...that's what's "so"

Mark (04:27 PM) :
you received this photos when models have OVER 18. what problem? did
you see birth dates? what problems? what panic? what?
you had silence few months and now you doing the panic


you know its time to get a new content guy :warning

I don't judge people based on location. I judge people based on facts and evidence.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Under any other circumstances this would have been the funniest conversation I have ever read in my life. Where the hell is this guy from?

jeepers

Duke

"you doing the panic"

Classic new line

Duke

BUMP FOR SCAMMER DOMYPHOTO :mad: