MGP Advice Please - GoFuckYourself.com

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:11 PM

Hi all......we are experimenting with MGP's today and are trying to figure out the mpeg file size problem while still retaining quality. It seems that our 9.5 second clips are 1.63MB in size and after looking at other mgp posts we notice that most are getting 10 second quality clips at 1.0MB.

We tried 10 types of mpeg's and found that the setting at

VCD NTSC (MPEG-1)
24 Bits, 352 x 240, 29.97 fps
Video Data Rate 1123 Kbps
Audio Data Rate 224 Kbps

was the best quality for the smallest file size but still seems large to us by about 30% to 50%. Is this something we should worry about? We have plenty of bandwidth to use (900gigs per month) and get listed on thehun and 30 other partnered tgp's about twice per week with our regular pic galleries.

Here is a link to our test mgp:
TEST MGP - http://www.camcutie.com/mgp/000001/000001.htm

If you think it is fine and we should just role with it let us know or any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks as always guys.........you rock!

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

JayJay · 01-24-2005, 12:14 PM

I'd hit it

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:15 PM

BTW!

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayJay

I'd hit it

LOL....be serious Jay Jay!!!! Put that Ale down for a sec.

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

Sosa · 01-24-2005, 12:16 PM

i don't like it

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sosa

i don't like it

Don't like what Sosa? It is a file size question...not a design question.

XOXOXO
*krystal*

r0nin · 01-24-2005, 12:21 PM

encode the clips at a lower bitrate, try tmpgenc,

also with 900 gigs don't expect much, that's 30 gigs per day

keep up the good work with the pic galleries!

Vox · 01-24-2005, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcutie

We tried 10 types of mpeg's and found that the setting at

VCD NTSC (MPEG-1)
24 Bits, 352 x 240, 29.97 fps
Video Data Rate 1123 Kbps
Audio Data Rate 224 Kbps

:

Switch screen size to 320x240 , 29.9 is good but you can go lower to 25 fps
Your video data rate is way too high, 1100 should only be reserved inside members area and some surfers will have problems streaming it, try dropping it down to 600-700 range.
Audio rate: drop it down to 64 kbps

What software are you using for the encoding?

Fabuleux · 01-24-2005, 12:25 PM

I think the answer is simple, most of the video clips you see are of less quality then yours. A smaller filesize also means faster load times, which is an important factor since the speed of your server is (at least in Europe) not very good (only 50kb/s).
When you submit regularly you will see that 900GB/mo is not very much.

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0nin

encode the clips at a lower bitrate, try tmpgenc,

also with 900 gigs don't expect much, that's 30 gigs per day

keep up the good work with the pic galleries!

Thanks ronin....Ulead does 24bit only. We will look in to the tmpgenc. Do you have a link?

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabuleux

I think the answer is simple, most of the video clips you see are of less quality then yours. A smaller filesize also means faster load times, which is an important factor since the speed of your server is (at least in Europe) not very good (only 50kb/s).
When you submit regularly you will see that 900GB/mo is not very much.

Thanks Vox & Fabuleux....we thought the 320x240 was small but I will try that also. As for bandwidth we were going to cut down to once per week on submissions insted of twice per week. I can get more bandwidth no problem if we see it is worth it.

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vox

What software are you using for the encoding?

We use Ulead software bought about 3 years ago...

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

tranza · 01-24-2005, 12:37 PM

900 GB is nothing for movies galleries...

rayzor · 01-24-2005, 12:40 PM

you can make it even smaller by using wmv...

btw.. 900gigs is nowhere near enough.. take what bandwidth you use with pic galleries and multiply that by 3 or 4

strobi · 01-24-2005, 12:42 PM

Make sure you don't get nailed on overage costs! 900 gigs/month is nothing for mpg galleries!

Nicky · 01-24-2005, 12:44 PM

You have 10 sponsor links on that gallery? Im not so sure it will get listed most places. Anyway, about the file size you should use the wmv format if you are worried about file size, you look nice though

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayzor

you can make it even smaller by using wmv...

btw.. 900gigs is nowhere near enough.. take what bandwidth you use with pic galleries and multiply that by 3 or 4

Figured that because my galleries such as

http://www.camcutie.com/tgp/092804/092804_thehun2.htm

are only about are 3MB total where as the mgp test is 7MB. I guess we would have to cut down posting frequency and add bandwidth. Starting to look like it is not worth it at this time unless it would increase sales considerably.

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

You have 10 sponsor links on that gallery? Im not so sure it will get listed most places. Anyway, about the file size you should use the wmv format if you are worried about file size, you look nice though

Thanks Nicky.....we adjust link totals according to rules of the tgp we are submitting to. The Hun actually accepts mine the way you see the test though.

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 01:49 PM

Bumpty Bump

beemk · 01-24-2005, 01:55 PM

change the audio compression to 92 kbps. i usually run at 550kbps on the video quality i think. i do 20 second clips at 1.5megs

beemk · 01-24-2005, 01:57 PM

i would get rid of tgp_logo_krystal_pink_boots_020sm_494x352.jpg all together if you want to get listed on sites, it probably wont affect click throughs either.

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk

i would get rid of tgp_logo_krystal_pink_boots_020sm_494x352.jpg all together if you want to get listed on sites, it probably wont affect click throughs either.

Thanks Beemk

.....I never thought about dropping the top logo. I have however thought about making it much smaller. I already get listed on 30 big partner tgp's including the hun everytime so it hasn't affected my being accepted yet.

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

beemk · 01-24-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcutie

Thanks Beemk

.....I never thought about dropping the top logo. I have however thought about making it much smaller. I already get listed on 30 big partner tgp's including the hun everytime so it hasn't affected my being accepted yet.

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

ive deleted your gallery before because of it.

Martin · 01-24-2005, 02:59 PM

Try a lower bit rate. Should do the trick. I can get a 20 secong vid down to about 1.5. It's not the greatest quality but it does the trick.

ytcracker · 01-24-2005, 02:59 PM

i guess i dont have much to say but thats a cool sign

pxxx · 01-24-2005, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ytcracker

i guess i dont have much to say but thats a cool sign

Same here, i liked the sign.

camcutie · 01-24-2005, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk

ive deleted your gallery before because of it.

What is your tgp url Beemk if you don't mind me asking?

XOXOXO
*Krystal*

01-24-2005, 12:11 PM	#1
camcutie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 817	MGP Advice Please Hi all......we are experimenting with MGP's today and are trying to figure out the mpeg file size problem while still retaining quality. It seems that our 9.5 second clips are 1.63MB in size and after looking at other mgp posts we notice that most are getting 10 second quality clips at 1.0MB. We tried 10 types of mpeg's and found that the setting at VCD NTSC (MPEG-1) 24 Bits, 352 x 240, 29.97 fps Video Data Rate 1123 Kbps Audio Data Rate 224 Kbps was the best quality for the smallest file size but still seems large to us by about 30% to 50%. Is this something we should worry about? We have plenty of bandwidth to use (900gigs per month) and get listed on thehun and 30 other partnered tgp's about twice per week with our regular pic galleries. Here is a link to our test mgp: TEST MGP - http://www.camcutie.com/mgp/000001/000001.htm If you think it is fine and we should just role with it let us know or any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks as always guys.........you rock! XOXOXO Krystal __________________ Please Visit My Website CamCutie.com ICQ 203-628-284

01-24-2005, 12:15 PM	#3
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01-24-2005, 12:25 PM	#9
Fabuleux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,543	I think the answer is simple, most of the video clips you see are of less quality then yours. A smaller filesize also means faster load times, which is an important factor since the speed of your server is (at least in Europe) not very good (only 50kb/s). When you submit regularly you will see that 900GB/mo is not very much. __________________

01-24-2005, 12:37 PM	#13
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	900 GB is nothing for movies galleries... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

01-24-2005, 12:40 PM	#14
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	you can make it even smaller by using wmv... btw.. 900gigs is nowhere near enough.. take what bandwidth you use with pic galleries and multiply that by 3 or 4 __________________ Skype: uws.ray

01-24-2005, 12:14 PM	#2
JayJay Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3,739	I'd hit it

01-24-2005, 12:16 PM	#5
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	i don't like it

01-24-2005, 12:21 PM	#7
r0nin Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 415	encode the clips at a lower bitrate, try tmpgenc, also with 900 gigs don't expect much, that's 30 gigs per day keep up the good work with the pic galleries!

01-24-2005, 12:42 PM	#15
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	Make sure you don't get nailed on overage costs! 900 gigs/month is nothing for mpg galleries!

01-24-2005, 12:44 PM	#16
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	You have 10 sponsor links on that gallery? Im not so sure it will get listed most places. Anyway, about the file size you should use the wmv format if you are worried about file size, you look nice though __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

01-24-2005, 01:49 PM	#19
camcutie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: USA Posts: 817	Bumpty Bump __________________ Please Visit My Website CamCutie.com ICQ 203-628-284

01-24-2005, 01:55 PM	#20
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	change the audio compression to 92 kbps. i usually run at 550kbps on the video quality i think. i do 20 second clips at 1.5megs __________________ I host with Vacares

01-24-2005, 01:57 PM	#21
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	i would get rid of tgp_logo_krystal_pink_boots_020sm_494x352.jpg all together if you want to get listed on sites, it probably wont affect click throughs either. __________________ I host with Vacares

01-24-2005, 02:59 PM	#24
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Try a lower bit rate. Should do the trick. I can get a 20 secong vid down to about 1.5. It's not the greatest quality but it does the trick. __________________

01-24-2005, 02:59 PM	#25
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