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Extreme Associates Case Dismissed
Yes, it's true. The case against Extreme Associates has been thrown out by the federal judge; all 10 counts dismissed. The federal obscenity statute was ruled unconstitutional. There may be appeals, but this is a day to rejoice.
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Awesome news for the industry.
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run george bush is in office we are all going to jail, if EA's case gets bounced out of court on obscenity charges then all you idiots can relax
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WOW thats good news for th rest of us.
but then we knew this was kinda coming since they changed gears and ar pushing the 2257 issue now. too hard to win obcenity case I spose. ![]() |
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Yafucking who that is so great
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I cant believe this only has 4 posts this is so important.
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that is such good news!
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My inside source tells me that a federal judge in Pittsburgh, PA threw the case out because the videos Extreme had been prosecuted over had been sent via mail order from an internet website - direct from Extreme - and the federal judge took issue with traditional obscenity tests of "community standards" being applied from the Pittsburgh community rather than from Extreme's own home community.
This is VERY good news for the entire industry when the feds want to attempt to bring obscenity prosecutions to website owners. I have always asked "what community standard will be applied?" This federal judge could not determine the answer and had to dismiss the case on one of Extreme's motions to dismiss that the description of obscenity or the test for obscenity couldn't be applied because it was an internet transaction. Personally, I can't believe Rob and Extreme won their case in this day and age, but maybe, just maybe, the sky is not falling... |
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wow I'm shocked he got off.
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this is great news. There had always been a question about community standards. Can a website own be prosecuted in a bible belt state if they lived in california ( for example) ? The prevailing logic had always been yes they can, but it looks like that is not the case. It always made sense to me that community standards don't apply in interenet cases because the community is not involved. This is a great ruling but if I remeber correctly the supreme court, when it last rules on COPA said that community standards can be used. It will be interesting to see how this will play out.
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Wow . . praise the lord. One of my many ulcers just cleared up
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Good news indeed.
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well personally, the extreme shit and max hardcore porn turns my stomach, but it is everywhere now---very hard to get a jury to convict any sort of consensual adult sexual activity as obscene in the USA.
after all, if the government can't get a conviction on extreme associates, where do they go from here? just last year canadians dimissed a big case involving consensual bondage stuff and rough sex---same north american culture. ordinary folks might think this sort of shit is nasty, but ordinary folks don't necessarily want a government dictating to them what they can watch in their own homes. so now the same "moral majority" DOJ wants to play with 2257 laws and criminalize sloppy bookkeeping? problem is, mandatory federal sentences guidelines have just been watered down. so if no minor was actually exploited, i think it will be pretty difficult to criminalize an unintentional record-keeping error. my bet is that smut isn't going away anytime soon...and the reason is this---too many ordinary people want it---and those people sit on juries. |
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As much as I hate Rob Black, it is good news for the industry.
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this fuckin rocks in so many ways, badass news..!
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Wow... good development
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Not shocking at all. People overreact. Ashcroft didn't get anyone.
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Don't believe the hype. Listen to GFY. George Bush won and we're all doomed. Doomed I say. You watch, we'll all be in jail in less than four years now.
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This is a very mixed blessing for all the obvious reasons.
Personally I think the judge made the right decision, this isn't something that the federal courts should be involved in. The crimes that are being committed aren't related to the distribution. The crimes are assault and battery and such that should be prosecuted locally. If L.A. County and porn valley cant rid themselves of the likes of this little piece of shit (Rob Black) then they deserve to have him. certainly seems to insulate us from the feds a lot better
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The fact that these cases were even brought forth is something to be concerned about.
How many of you here can afford a half assed decent attorney to defend you in a court case like this? But this is GFY we know they are all big money playas LOL |
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great news
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Hallelujah!!!
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He actually CHALLENGED them to come and get him and the govt. still lost. And he produces some EXTREME shit. I'm amazed that he got off. That and the mandatory minimum sentencing being struck down is wonderful.
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a victory for the industry... i'll drink to that
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As I have tried to explain to you on a number of occassions that these cases being brought forth was a huge difference between administrations and their stance on adult enteretainment. Not to mention this will not be the only angle. I have said on this board even more often..jeez since I signed up in June of 2001 that "obscenity" will be a tough case to prove. What they will do is go after people through a variety of other means...2557 being one of them...zoning being another....before it's over with you will see a huge company taken down because of shaving...that is not my opinion but a prediction. The feds for years went after Capone but couldn't get him on anything but tax evasion. EA is one company who has some funding behind them...how much I'm not really sure...and even then I'm sure this cost them quite a bit to defend. There aren't too many people on this board who can afford a case against them whether it be something as severe as obscenity and involving criminal prosecution...or just simple cases like enforcing zoning laws that won't allow you to operate a business let alone an adult business out of your house. It takes pissing off just the right person...hmm..how about a wife or girlfriend to get something like that started. It all boils down to money but even Larry Flynt I'm sure is tired of fighting these battles. |
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Pay your taxes, keep your head down and you'll live through the Bush Administration. All I'm trying to say is that the sky may not be falling.
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Columbia House announces HUSH. Rob Black gets his case thrown out. Coincidence?
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Good news indeed.
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thats good news!!!
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For those who love my stuff you aint seen nothing yet.
for those who hate my stuff YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET!! WHOOOOO! DUKe
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did anyone notice they printed that postal inspectors credit card number name phone number and username password LOL
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thats great news!
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Thumbs up for the industry as a whole...
Big thumbs up for the extreme niche... Looks like Duke has something up his sleeves for everybody. ![]() |
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AWESOME NEWS!
congratulations to all those involved in this great victory! what a sweet sweet day ![]()
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congrats Rob Black! Bring back XPW now!!!!
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HUGE. I think this one is going to the Supreme Court, with ramifications for all.
Finally we are getting to the heart of the question surrounding obscenity laws, which is, does the state have a valid interest in what sexual acts go on in people's homes (or are viewed there) when everyone involved is a consenting adult and no one gets hurt? |
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This is amazingly good news for those who believe in the U.S Constitution.
You right wing freedom haters lost this one. Bill Clinton appointed the judge who wrote the decision to the Federal Court, not Bush. Watch Bush and the Justice Department try to find a way to overrule this victory for free speech. THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release October 22, 1993 DISTRICT JUDGES NAMED President Clinton announced the nomination today of his choices for four U.S. District Court vacancies: Donetta Ambrose and Gary Lancaster, both for the Western District of Pennsylvania; Wilkie D. Ferguson for the Southern District of Florida; and Charles A. Shaw for the Eastern District of Missouri. http://clinton6.nara.gov/1993/10/199...ointments.html |
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Tell that to all my cock sucking haters. lol Duke
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wow, this is HUGE news. Congrats to Rob Black and his lovely wife Lizzy Bordon
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Its very good news from a legal standpoint and certainly adds another layer of defense tactics adult industry attorneys can now add to their bag of tricks.
However if you guys think that's the end of it and now nothing else is going to go down you don't understand the mind set of the ultra right conservatives who control the US Department of Justice right now. And I can only imagine the size of Rob Black's legal bills defending himself. Federal lawsuits at this level where you need teams of legal staff cost a bloody fortune. So don't go to the beach now and think everyone can breath a sigh of relief. Its a victory for the porn industry but will just further the anti-porn crowd's resolve to figure out new angles of attack. These people have made it their mission to do anything and everything they can to stop porn.
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My attorney called me as soon as he heard. He said it's far from over with obscenity prosecutions but is a definite step in the right direction. I agree with you 100% KRL. I do feel though that this will blunt many attempts at obscenity prosecutions and the gubment will definatley be more tenative in their approach on this matter. Cheers Duke
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