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  • Webattorney
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    • Feb 2003
    • 30
    #1

    Extreme Associates Case Dismissed

    Yes, it's true. The case against Extreme Associates has been thrown out by the federal judge; all 10 counts dismissed. The federal obscenity statute was ruled unconstitutional. There may be appeals, but this is a day to rejoice.

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    • Manowar
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      • Dec 2003
      • 71528
      #2
      Awesome news for the industry.

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        • Veterans Day
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          • Jul 2003
          • 8403
          #3
          run george bush is in office we are all going to jail, if EA's case gets bounced out of court on obscenity charges then all you idiots can relax
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            • Xenophage
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              • Oct 2001
              • 12122
              #4
              WOW thats good news for th rest of us.

              but then we knew this was kinda coming since they changed gears and ar pushing the 2257 issue now.

              too hard to win obcenity case I spose.

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                • tony299
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                  • Aug 2002
                  • 57021
                  #5
                  Yafucking who that is so great

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                    • tony299
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 57021
                      #6
                      I cant believe this only has 4 posts this is so important.

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                        • MandyBlake
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                            • DBX
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                              • Feb 2004
                              • 38
                              #8
                              My inside source tells me that a federal judge in Pittsburgh, PA threw the case out because the videos Extreme had been prosecuted over had been sent via mail order from an internet website - direct from Extreme - and the federal judge took issue with traditional obscenity tests of "community standards" being applied from the Pittsburgh community rather than from Extreme's own home community.

                              This is VERY good news for the entire industry when the feds want to attempt to bring obscenity prosecutions to website owners. I have always asked "what community standard will be applied?"

                              This federal judge could not determine the answer and had to dismiss the case on one of Extreme's motions to dismiss that the description of obscenity or the test for obscenity couldn't be applied because it was an internet transaction.

                              Personally, I can't believe Rob and Extreme won their case in this day and age, but maybe, just maybe, the sky is not falling...

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                                • ChrisExtreme
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                                  • Apr 2004
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                                  #9
                                  wow I'm shocked he got off.

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                                    • kane
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                                      • Aug 2001
                                      • 20684
                                      #10
                                      this is great news. There had always been a question about community standards. Can a website own be prosecuted in a bible belt state if they lived in california ( for example) ? The prevailing logic had always been yes they can, but it looks like that is not the case. It always made sense to me that community standards don't apply in interenet cases because the community is not involved. This is a great ruling but if I remeber correctly the supreme court, when it last rules on COPA said that community standards can be used. It will be interesting to see how this will play out.

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                                        • dicknixon
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                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 548
                                          #11
                                          Wow . . praise the lord. One of my many ulcers just cleared up

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                                            • Furious_Male
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                                              • Oct 2003
                                              • 16884
                                              #12
                                              Good news indeed.
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                                                • latinasojourn
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                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 3191
                                                  #13
                                                  well personally, the extreme shit and max hardcore porn turns my stomach, but it is everywhere now---very hard to get a jury to convict any sort of consensual adult sexual activity as obscene in the USA.

                                                  after all, if the government can't get a conviction on extreme associates, where do they go from here?

                                                  just last year canadians dimissed a big case involving consensual bondage stuff and rough sex---same north american culture.

                                                  ordinary folks might think this sort of shit is nasty, but ordinary folks don't necessarily want a government dictating to them what they can watch in their own homes.

                                                  so now the same "moral majority" DOJ wants to play with 2257 laws and criminalize sloppy bookkeeping?

                                                  problem is, mandatory federal sentences guidelines have just been watered down.

                                                  so if no minor was actually exploited, i think it will be pretty difficult to criminalize an unintentional record-keeping error.

                                                  my bet is that smut isn't going away anytime soon...and the reason is this---too many ordinary people want it---and those people sit on juries.

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                                                        • EZRhino
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                                                          • Jul 2003
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                                                          #15
                                                          As much as I hate Rob Black, it is good news for the industry.

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                                                            • chupacabra
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                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 3626
                                                              #16
                                                              this fuckin rocks in so many ways, badass news..!
                                                              ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                                                                • magicmike
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                                                                  • Feb 2003
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                                                                  #17
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                                                                    • ADL Colin
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                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                      • 11929
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Not shocking at all. People overreact. Ashcroft didn't get anyone.


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                                                                        • WarChild
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                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                          • 17263
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Don't believe the hype. Listen to GFY. George Bush won and we're all doomed. Doomed I say. You watch, we'll all be in jail in less than four years now.
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                                                                            • mikesouth
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                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                              • 6337
                                                                              #20
                                                                              This is a very mixed blessing for all the obvious reasons.

                                                                              Personally I think the judge made the right decision, this isn't something that the federal courts should be involved in. The crimes that are being committed aren't related to the distribution. The crimes are assault and battery and such that should be prosecuted locally.
                                                                              If L.A. County and porn valley cant rid themselves of the likes of this little piece of shit (Rob Black) then they deserve to have him.

                                                                              certainly seems to insulate us from the feds a lot better
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                                                                                • eroswebmaster
                                                                                  March 1st, 2003
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 20295
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                  Don't believe the hype. Listen to GFY. George Bush won and we're all doomed. Doomed I say. You watch, we'll all be in jail in less than four years now.
                                                                                  you still are spewing this ignorance.
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                                                                                    • eroswebmaster
                                                                                      March 1st, 2003
                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 20295
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      The fact that these cases were even brought forth is something to be concerned about.
                                                                                      How many of you here can afford a half assed decent attorney to defend you in a court case like this?
                                                                                      But this is GFY we know they are all big money playas LOL
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                                                                                        • RobD
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                                                                                          #23
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                                                                                                • BVF
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                                                                                                  • 13975
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  He actually CHALLENGED them to come and get him and the govt. still lost. And he produces some EXTREME shit. I'm amazed that he got off. That and the mandatory minimum sentencing being struck down is wonderful.

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                                                                                                    • WarChild
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                      • 17263
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                                                      you still are spewing this ignorance.
                                                                                                      I just dont buy it that George Bush is going to be the end of porn on the Internet. While I agree he's certainly not the best president we could have, it could be a lot worse. I'm not mocking people who are worried about protecting their living, that's just smart. I'm mocking the Chicken Little variety of webmasters who are predicting the end of the World.
                                                                                                      .

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                                                                                                        • EyesWideShut
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          a victory for the industry... i'll drink to that
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                                                                                                            • eroswebmaster
                                                                                                              March 1st, 2003
                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                              • 20295
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                              I just dont buy it that George Bush is going to be the end of porn on the Internet. While I agree he's certainly not the best president we could have, it could be a lot worse. I'm not mocking people who are worried about protecting their living, that's just smart. I'm mocking the Chicken Little variety of webmasters who are predicting the end of the World.
                                                                                                              And I am mocking those who are narrow minded enough to believe that this should not be a cause for concern.

                                                                                                              As I have tried to explain to you on a number of occassions that these cases being brought forth was a huge difference between administrations and their stance on adult enteretainment.

                                                                                                              Not to mention this will not be the only angle. I have said on this board even more often..jeez since I signed up in June of 2001 that "obscenity" will be a tough case to prove.

                                                                                                              What they will do is go after people through a variety of other means...2557 being one of them...zoning being another....before it's over with you will see a huge company taken down because of shaving...that is not my opinion but a prediction.

                                                                                                              The feds for years went after Capone but couldn't get him on anything but tax evasion.

                                                                                                              EA is one company who has some funding behind them...how much I'm not really sure...and even then I'm sure this cost them quite a bit to defend.
                                                                                                              There aren't too many people on this board who can afford a case against them whether it be something as severe as obscenity and involving criminal prosecution...or just simple cases like enforcing zoning laws that won't allow you to operate a business let alone an adult business out of your house.

                                                                                                              It takes pissing off just the right person...hmm..how about a wife or girlfriend to get something like that started.

                                                                                                              It all boils down to money but even Larry Flynt I'm sure is tired of fighting these battles.
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                                                                                                                • WarChild
                                                                                                                  Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                  • 17263
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                                                                                                                  And I am mocking those who are narrow minded enough to believe that this should not be a cause for concern.

                                                                                                                  As I have tried to explain to you on a number of occassions that these cases being brought forth was a huge difference between administrations and their stance on adult enteretainment.

                                                                                                                  Not to mention this will not be the only angle. I have said on this board even more often..jeez since I signed up in June of 2001 that "obscenity" will be a tough case to prove.

                                                                                                                  What they will do is go after people through a variety of other means...2557 being one of them...zoning being another....before it's over with you will see a huge company taken down because of shaving...that is not my opinion but a prediction.

                                                                                                                  The feds for years went after Capone but couldn't get him on anything but tax evasion.

                                                                                                                  EA is one company who has some funding behind them...how much I'm not really sure...and even then I'm sure this cost them quite a bit to defend.
                                                                                                                  There aren't too many people on this board who can afford a case against them whether it be something as severe as obscenity and involving criminal prosecution...or just simple cases like enforcing zoning laws that won't allow you to operate a business let alone an adult business out of your house.

                                                                                                                  It takes pissing off just the right person...hmm..how about a wife or girlfriend to get something like that started.

                                                                                                                  It all boils down to money but even Larry Flynt I'm sure is tired of fighting these battles.
                                                                                                                  I understand what you're saying. There's certainly challenges ahead for everybody, on that I completely agree.

                                                                                                                  Pay your taxes, keep your head down and you'll live through the Bush Administration. All I'm trying to say is that the sky may not be falling.
                                                                                                                  .

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                                                                                                                    • SinisterStudios
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                                                                                                                      • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      That is awesome news, Take that President Bush!!!!!!
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                                                                                                                        • dirtysouth
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                          • 2613
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Columbia House announces HUSH. Rob Black gets his case thrown out. Coincidence?
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                                                                                                                            • Hinc
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                                                                                                                              • Oct 2004
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                                                                                                                                • fl_prn_str
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  thats good news!!!

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                                                                                                                                    • Major (Tom)
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                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 32492
                                                                                                                                      #34
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 28609
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          did anyone notice they printed that postal inspectors credit card number name phone number and username password LOL



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                                                                                                                                            • jazzll
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                                                                                                                                                • SL|M!
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                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 1480
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  thats great news!

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                                                                                                                                                    • shermo
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Thumbs up for the industry as a whole...

                                                                                                                                                      Big thumbs up for the extreme niche... Looks like Duke has something up his sleeves for everybody.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Easton
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                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 9825
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          AWESOME NEWS!

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                                                                                                                                                            • OG LennyT
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 14345
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              congrats Rob Black! Bring back XPW now!!!!


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                                                                                                                                                                • CoolE
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                  HUGE. I think this one is going to the Supreme Court, with ramifications for all.

                                                                                                                                                                  Finally we are getting to the heart of the question surrounding obscenity laws, which is, does the state have a valid interest in what sexual acts go on in people's homes (or are viewed there) when everyone involved is a consenting adult and no one gets hurt?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Bansheelinks
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                                                                                                                                                                      all i can say is )

                                                                                                                                                                      a great day and great news

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          This is amazingly good news for those who believe in the U.S Constitution.

                                                                                                                                                                          You right wing freedom haters lost this one. Bill Clinton appointed the judge who wrote the decision to the Federal Court, not Bush. Watch Bush and the Justice Department try to find a way to overrule this victory for free speech.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Major (Tom)
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 32492
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CoolE
                                                                                                                                                                              HUGE. I think this one is going to the Supreme Court, with ramifications for all.

                                                                                                                                                                              Finally we are getting to the heart of the question surrounding obscenity laws, which is, does the state have a valid interest in what sexual acts go on in people's homes (or are viewed there) when everyone involved is a consenting adult and no one gets hurt?

                                                                                                                                                                              Tell that to all my cock sucking haters.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • maja
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                                                                                                                                                                                      wow, this is HUGE news. Congrats to Rob Black and his lovely wife Lizzy Bordon

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • KRL
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Its very good news from a legal standpoint and certainly adds another layer of defense tactics adult industry attorneys can now add to their bag of tricks.

                                                                                                                                                                                          However if you guys think that's the end of it and now nothing else is going to go down you don't understand the mind set of the ultra right conservatives who control the US Department of Justice right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                          And I can only imagine the size of Rob Black's legal bills defending himself. Federal lawsuits at this level where you need teams of legal staff cost a bloody fortune.

                                                                                                                                                                                          So don't go to the beach now and think everyone can breath a sigh of relief. Its a victory for the porn industry but will just further the anti-porn crowd's resolve to figure out new angles of attack. These people have made it their mission to do anything and everything they can to stop porn.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                                                              These people have made it their mission to do anything and everything they can to stop porn.
                                                                                                                                                                                              They want to stop porn, art, science, and The Muppets and Sponge Bob too:
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/nat...APnat_bob.html

                                                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 01-21-2005, 06:07 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • mcp_catman
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Don't believe the hype. Listen to GFY. George Bush won and we're all doomed. Doomed I say. You watch, we'll all be in jail in less than four years now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dude, Chillax that's some paranoia weed you're smokin' , huh? There won't be enough time in the four years for the Bush Administration to even begin to focus on this industry as a whole.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Major (Tom)
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 32492
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Its very good news from a legal standpoint and certainly adds another layer of defense tactics adult industry attorneys can now add to their bag of tricks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      However if you guys think that's the end of it and now nothing else is going to go down you don't understand the mind set of the ultra right conservatives who control the US Department of Justice right now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      And I can only imagine the size of Rob Black's legal bills defending himself. Federal lawsuits at this level where you need teams of legal staff cost a bloody fortune.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      So don't go to the beach now and think everyone can breath a sigh of relief. Its a victory for the porn industry but will just further the anti-porn crowd's resolve to figure out new angles of attack. These people have made it their mission to do anything and everything they can to stop porn.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      My attorney called me as soon as he heard. He said it's far from over with obscenity prosecutions but is a definite step in the right direction. I agree with you 100% KRL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I do feel though that this will blunt many attempts at obscenity prosecutions and the gubment will definatley be more tenative in their approach on this matter.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cheers
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Duke
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by Major (Tom); 01-21-2005, 06:55 PM.

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