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Old 01-13-2005, 04:18 AM   #51
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Old 01-13-2005, 04:19 AM   #52
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Exactly. The Third Reich only lasted 12 years. Not exactly an empire.
Ha. How long do you have to rule other countries to be classed as an empire? I didnt realise there was a time scale before you become an emperor
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empire = a group of countries under common leadership and run as a single organization

Thats exactly what the Third Reich tried to do and did succeed in doing to some extent. Ask the countries that were occupied by the Germans.
An empire comprises a set of regions locally ruled by governors, viceroys or client kings in the name of an emperor. By extension, one could classify as an empire any large, multi-ethnic state ruled from a single center. Like other states, an empire maintains its political structure at least partly by coercion. Land-based empires (such as Russia or Achaemenid Persia) tend to extend in a contiguous area; sea-borne empires, also known as thalassocracies (the Athenian and British empires provide examples), may feature looser structures and more scattered territories.

Third Reich wasnt an empire. Hitler had a vision to make a big German empire in Europe but he failed.

BTW, Hitler wasn't an emperror either.
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An empire comprises a set of regions locally ruled by governors, viceroys or client kings in the name of an emperor. By extension, one could classify as an empire any large, multi-ethnic state ruled from a single center. Like other states, an empire maintains its political structure at least partly by coercion. Land-based empires (such as Russia or Achaemenid Persia) tend to extend in a contiguous area; sea-borne empires, also known as thalassocracies (the Athenian and British empires provide examples), may feature looser structures and more scattered territories.

Third Reich wasnt an empire. Hitler had a vision to make a big German empire in Europe but he failed.

BTW, Hitler wasn't an emperror either.
No he only failed when he lost, up untill then he was ruling an empire. The germans occupation and ruling of other countries fits exactly into your definition above. As you said "one could classify as an empire any large, multi-ethnic state ruled from a single center." thats exactly what the Germans where doing. Just because he ultimately failed doesnt take away from the fact that along the we they did indeed have an empire

He failed to maintain his empire as every empire in history has failed before him. He just failed alot quicker. Probably something to do with German Efficiency.
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He wasnt emulating anything. It was a fancy dress party about empire he wore a costume that for anyone else would be ok. But because its him everyone is trying to read more into it

Well yeah but being his family's connection to this period of history maybe we should expect him to be a tad more educated on why it might just be unwise to dress up as a nazi.
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2. It was a fancy dress party about Empires. Many people in the UK would have gone as a Nazi, no problem at all. We have since the war made jokes about the nazis. Its not uncommon at all. Its not fucked up at all, Becuase the media are politicle correct mad its been made a big deal. He wasnt insulting anyone.

I have lived in the UK for nearly a decade and not once have I seen anyone dress up as a nazi to go to a party. There are some things you don't do ESPECIALLY if you know you will have your photo taken which he should know by now.

Plus, once again his family was a slight player in the whole thing and it isn't like he is just a random person in the UK. Wonder if he could look the East End in the eye today..how about you?
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BTW, Harry paternity is in question.
Saw an article with pics showing his resemblance to whoever that guy was that Diana was fucking on the side.


yeah, it is fairly obvious, huh?
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I have lived in the UK for nearly a decade and not once have I seen anyone dress up as a nazi to go to a party. There are some things you don't do ESPECIALLY if you know you will have your photo taken which he should know by now.

Plus, once again his family was a slight player in the whole thing and it isn't like he is just a random person in the UK. Wonder if he could look the East End in the eye today..how about you?
Thank you for clearing that up. These guys were really making me think that shit was cool in the UK...
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Well yeah but being his family's connection to this period of history maybe we should expect him to be a tad more educated on why it might just be unwise to dress up as a nazi.
As in a lot of things, cannabis, getting drunk and fighting with photographers.
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I have lived in the UK for nearly a decade and not once have I seen anyone dress up as a nazi to go to a party. There are some things you don't do ESPECIALLY if you know you will have your photo taken which he should know by now.

Plus, once again his family was a slight player in the whole thing and it isn't like he is just a random person in the UK. Wonder if he could look the East End in the eye today..how about you?
Thats bullshit. People dress up as Nazis all the time. Mainly at fetish parties, but also at normal parties too. On television and real life.
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I can look an east ender in the face. What you trying to say by that? You think you know about my family? What they did in the war?
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Dude, you must be smoking some killer weed. That shit has you paranoid...
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I can look an east ender in the face. What you trying to say by that? You think you know about my family? What they did in the war?

um...I was talking about Harry's family and reffering to his great grandmother's famous qoute during the war.
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Dude, you must be smoking some killer weed. That shit has you paranoid...
Im answering what she said to me which was "Wonder if he could look the East End in the eye today..how about you?"

Did you read that?
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Thats bullshit. People dress up as Nazis all the time. Mainly at fetish parties, but also at normal parties too. On television and real life.
right...at an extreme fetish club you might see the ss uniform and that is stupid but at a normal party you would never see it unless you are going to BNP parties. The people I hang with would give anyone that showed up to a party in a nazi uniform a good kicking.
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As in a lot of things, cannabis, getting drunk and fighting with photographers.
which just goes to show this boy's intellegence
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um...I was talking about Harry's family and reffering to his great grandmother's famous qoute during the war.
So were not talking about Harry making a silly choice for a costume at a fancy dress party now?
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Im answering what she said to me which was "Wonder if he could look the East End in the eye today..how about you?"

Did you read that?
again...'he' was Harry ..who I thought this thread was about.
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which just goes to show this boy's intellegence
Hes definatly not the sharpest tool in the box.
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So were not talking about Harry making a silly choice for a costume at a fancy dress party now?

no we are talking about a retarded man - not child..at 20 most people are no longer kids - making a seriously dumbass choice that he shouldn't just be able to blame on his minders. I didn't have minders to tell me what clothing to wear when I was 20 did you? We are talking about someone who is only a few generations removed from people that should bitch slap him until he understands exactly why people might be upset with a member of the British royal family - or any British person for tha tmatter - feeling nazis are a laughing manner.

I have an idea...lets go dress up as IRA bombers and go to a party with Charles. Or better yet..you dress up as Lord Mountbatten and I will be the bomb and see if they think that is funny. After all that was over 20 years ago..time to laugh at it.

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right...at an extreme fetish club you might see the ss uniform and that is stupid but at a normal party you would never see it unless you are going to BNP parties. The people I hang with would give anyone that showed up to a party in a nazi uniform a good kicking.
Not correct. Ive been to many fancy dress parties. People were soldiers uniforms from Romans to Nazis. There not saying the support the Romans, the Nazis or anyone else. They hired a costume from a fancy dress shop and wore it.

Your reading to much into it. Or are you saying hes a Nazi sympathizer?
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I didn't have minders to tell me what clothing to wear when I was 20 did you?
Im not the prince of England are you?

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You heard of them? We have a long tradition in this countryt at laughing at Nazis actually, as you stated you have lived here for 10 years you not seen these?
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what kind of fancy dress parties do you go to that nazi is an okay costume? Don't make it sound like everyone in the UK is going around going 'ha ha wasn't Hitler such a laugh' - it just isn't true and you know there will be people here that believe you.

Nazi Sympathizer? I don't know him personally to know. Stupid and careless? yes. It does take a certain mindset to think it is okay to wear these costumes in the first place. What is he doing next year? Going in black face? I see these things are parallels.
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Don't make it sound like everyone in the UK is going around going 'ha ha wasn't Hitler such a laugh' - it just isn't true and you know there will be people here that believe you.
we have laughed and dressed up as Nazis since the war and in the war.

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You heard of them? We have a long tradition in this countryt at laughing at Nazis actually, as you stated you have lived here for 10 years you not seen these?
right..firstly ALL of those films/comedy shows are making fun of the Nazis..dealing through humour. There is a vast difference. Was harry doing that? I highly doubt he has the intellegence.

I love the film version of The Producers..Springtime For Hitler *is* funny because it is someone that UNDERSTANDS what they are doing and laughing instead of crying. This is an ignorant 'kid' showing his ignorance and thumbing his royal nose to people (whose families are paying for his existance btw) who died to keep his ass in silk diapers.

oh and as far as not being a Prince? The boy went to one of the most highly thought of boarding schools in the world...they didn't teach him how to dress himself? If he can't make these simple calls of judgment then I agree he shouldn't be going to Sandhurst.

If an MP was seen in the same uniform he would be thrown out of government and you know that is true. Why does this twerp get special treatment?
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right..firstly ALL of those films/comedy shows are making fun of the Nazis..dealing through humour. There is a vast difference. Was harry doing that? I highly doubt he has the intellegence.
You wasnt at the party. You dont know why he was wearing it. I expect it was to make fun not to offend 1000's of British people who died in the war.

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If an MP was seen in the same uniform he would be thrown out of government and you know that is true. Why does this twerp get special treatment?
He gets special treatment because hes the prince. Hes not elected. Its as simple as that. When you have a monarchy you have them whatever they do. Right, wrong, good, bad, silly, clever...... Your stuck with them.
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You wasnt at the party. You dont know why he was wearing it. I expect it was to make fun not to offend 1000's of British people who died in the war.



He gets special treatment because hes the prince. Hes not elected. Its as simple as that. When you have a monarchy you have them whatever they do. Right, wrong, good, bad, silly, clever...... Your stuck with them.
Who in the hell would wear a Nazi uniform to make fun of Nazis?
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I like the guy I think he doesn't really like the position hes found himself in and doesn't really want much to do with the royal bollocks! maybe he is making sure he will never have to be king
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Mell Brooks, Monty Python. 100's of ealing Films, Little Britain, Carry On Films, Malcome and wise...... The list goes on and on
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It was just a costume for a fucking party. You people need to lighten the fuck up.

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lol... What the fuck did he think... I bet he knows nothing about history..
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I like the guy I think he doesn't really like the position hes found himself in and doesn't really want much to do with the royal bollocks! maybe he is making sure he will never have to be king
I think your right about not wanting to be in the position he is in. But not wanting to be king has nothing to do with it. Its not a popularity contest. Its the law.

Charles will be the next king when he dies then William if he died then Harry. He only wouldnt be king if he abdicated. what ever his choice for fancy dress is good or bad
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hes joining the army as well :D, it was only fancy dress, i dunno why its such a big deal
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hes joining the army as well :D, it was only fancy dress, i dunno why its such a big deal
It isnt unless your a politicle correct, sandle wearing guardian reader who has muesli in his beard
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He gets special treatment because hes the prince. Hes not elected. Its as simple as that. When you have a monarchy you have them whatever they do. Right, wrong, good, bad, silly, clever...... Your stuck with them.
oh please..this is when my American genes come out *fights them...fights them...nope no use* - that is just dumbass. He was fortunate to be born into a family and never really has to work for a living and as such we should excuse everything he does on OUR dime (pence) ? Yeah right, in previous centuries we would have taken his head off. Accident of Birth does not excuse being ignorant and crass.


Correct, I wasn't at the party but then I was given a brain cell to know it was wrong to wear a nazi uniform to a party. Oh and if he was just having fun why the appology? Also, you are missing the point with why it was okay for people like Mel Brooks to use nazis in his humour. How about he understood how horrid they were for real? How about it was his way of kicking them in the balls? If you think Harry was doing that then, keep on smoking.
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He is going to a top military accademy that is difficult to get into...and now shows complete lack of judgement. I see a connection.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:31 AM   #90
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Mell Brooks, Monty Python. 100's of ealing Films, Little Britain, Carry On Films, Malcome and wise...... The list goes on and on
The uniform was part of the overall joke...Not THE joke...
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:36 AM   #91
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I personally don't give a shit. What's the big deal really? Quit being so fucking sensitive........

That's what I'm always told.

Deal with it.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:36 AM   #92
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thats crap.

People take things to seriously.
Thats as far into this thread as I'm going. Sure not in great taste but fuck let the kid have a life.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:37 AM   #93
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oh please..this is when my American genes come out *fights them...fights them...nope no use* - that is just dumbass. He was fortunate to be born into a family and never really has to work for a living and as such we should excuse everything he does on OUR dime (pence) ? Yeah right, in previous centuries we would have taken his head off. Accident of Birth does not excuse being ignorant and crass.


Correct, I wasn't at the party but then I was given a brain cell to know it was wrong to wear a nazi uniform to a party. Oh and if he was just having fun why the appology? Also, you are missing the point with why it was okay for people like Mel Brooks to use nazis in his humour. How about he understood how horrid they were for real? How about it was his way of kicking them in the balls? If you think Harry was doing that then, keep on smoking.
We dont have to excuse whatever he does. He doesnt need you to excuse him. In previous centuries we wouldnt have taken his head off, you know nothing about English history if you honestly think that. In history we would have taken the reporters head off.

You wasnt at the party, you dont know why he wore the uniform. But your happy to think the worste.

He appologised because thats what people do when they piss off the loud politically correct minority in this country these days.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:42 AM   #94
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The uniform was part of the overall joke...Not THE joke...
Sorry I didnt realise you was at the party, so you know that there wasnt an overall joke do you? Maybe the joke was that the party was a party about colonialism and empire and the second world war saw the end of the British Empire and the colonies, maybe just maybe he was being ironic. But I dont know I wasnt there, unlike you who was there and know for sure why he was wearing the uniform and know it was just to insult people
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LOL I think this thread speaks volumes about some of the English on this board.
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I personally don't give a shit. What's the big deal really? Quit being so fucking sensitive........

That's what I'm always told.

Deal with it.
m'kay I guess it would be fine to start wearing a KKK robe to "parties."
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We dont have to excuse whatever he does. He doesnt need you to excuse him. In previous centuries we wouldnt have taken his head off, you know nothing about English history if you honestly think that. In history we would have taken the reporters head off.

You wasnt at the party, you dont know why he wore the uniform. But your happy to think the worste.

He appologised because thats what people do when they piss off the loud politically correct minority in this country these days.
Where exactly is it that you're getting all of your English history?
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Sorry I didnt realise you was at the party, so you know that there wasnt an overall joke do you? Maybe the joke was that the party was a party about colonialism and empire and the second world war saw the end of the British Empire and the colonies, maybe just maybe he was being ironic. But I dont know I wasnt there, unlike you who was there and know for sure why he was wearing the uniform and know it was just to insult people
I know that an heir to the throne that wears a Nazi uniform to a party most likely does not have the intelligence to think beyond how to tie his shoes...much less even knowing the definition of irony...
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Where exactly is it that you're getting all of your English history?
Unless you have something to say, keep it shut shit head. Your an idiot who keeps jumping on the back of other peoples arguments and has not made one comment that is either correct or clever. What part of English history exactly do you know more than me about? Please explain here
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I know that an heir to the throne that wears a Nazi uniform to a party most likely does not have the intelligence to think beyond how to tie his shoes...much less even knowing the definition of irony...
The most ironic thing here is that we dont have a choice of our head of state (which harry isnt anyway) You Americans who do actually went out and voted for a retard
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