yes, it is shaving, but nobody blames the companies for it...some ppl prefer PPS so much, that they dont mind to make less with it, its a mystery for me...

why wouldn't you as an affiliate want to get paid for all your traffic regardless of where it originates from? If you send traffic that goes to a dialer or check processor you should get paid for it.. I agree with banker that we would consider that shaving...

I agree with you, I dont like when programs redirect foreign traffic(or dont pay for the joins) or dont pay per check or other sales.

I will never understand that train of thought. Why would an affiliate push something when they knew they were being lied to, just didn't want to admit it.

It's funny when I get together with my friends and the such and we talk shop, laugh at the possibility of companies paying $55 a sign up. There always seem to be something wrong with that picture.

I know the cost is enough to keep me away from starting one.

there are pernamently threads about who pays the most per sale and affiliates love such sponsors, I think many of them prefer to get paid $50 sale and 50% shaving than $25 per sale and 0% shaving, $50 just looks better...

What always looked better to me, was a bigger check in my mailbox, but what do I know. :drinkup

nice view, shitty front page. http://www.joemaria.com/

What a great fucking thread.

Am taking many notes.

lets see proof, unless you're just a jealous revshare program owner.

Nah....I can walk and chew gum at the same time :winkwink:

well to throw one together you could do it 5k to 10k but to have a decent one i would double or triple that and to have a fantastic one i would go 50k to 75k

proof? Read GFY, some program owners dont hide it that they dont pay on foreign traffic...

a lot of other factors dont seem to be counted in there

good thread needs a bump

6 years ago I started my first paysite for less than $5000.
Things were different in 1999 though...

My newest site cost $100k to develop and launch, and i'll probably drop another $50k into it before it starts to be profitable.

sorry, but you are doing something wrong if you need to spend $150k into a site to be profitable.

Companies with the capital to pay PPS usually have enough firepower to finance in-house programmers and do not need to rely on 3rd party software & support.

damn this thread got big.. and with great info :)

intresting point

Not doing anything wrong at all.. Just willing to do something different and innovative. Not every website has to be done exactly the same way. And there are plenty of websites that spend even more than that to launch..

You can lower some of your costs through outsourcing. Email me to find out how.

We do traffic and text/data work.

At the beggining you need fuckin very nice skills and experience in adult biz to even think about it :)

annie cruz
 

must be a helluva fuck

S0 if I get the exclusive content for free...
 

i'm down to needing only about 10 grand...

btw... since i started this thread... way back when..

i've gotten 6 girls to sign exclusive contracts

bought a canon rebel
bought a lighting setup from lowel
getting a minidv camcorder tomorrow
looked into getting incorporated in the states...
designer already paid...
and then shooting costs for the model...

once i finish.. i will post my exact amount for starting my first solo site :)

awesome fucking thread! BuMP!

Let's see some numbers sonofsam

We are almost in July, what have you done since then? :2 cents:

After 4 meaty pages, the answer has been settled. In order to start a paysite, one would need approximately $1,482,000.32 to cover all expenses. Kool.

Only 94$ ?? Mouhahaha, this is a good ROI ! :thumbsup

So far just on a design, minor hosting (for starting up) and a couple sets of non-exclusive content I've spent about $1500-$2000 for my first. Trying to determine what would be a good amount of content to get started with. So for now I'm probably gonna just keep taking money where I can get it and buying content untill it seems like I have a good amount.

okay well since then i had started working on a solo site... got a couple days of content done, then the model flaked....

recruited a couple more girls... decided to make a solo site with 1 of them... bought the equipment like i posted above, but ended up just paying a photographer to shoot the content. Didn't want to risk having the model flake so i quickly shot 1 years worth of updates and enough to launch with, so that i wouldn't leave a possibility of being fucked over.

Now one of the biggest setbacks was because i'm in canada. If you wan't to use ccbill or paycom and accept visa on your site, you have to be located in the states or EU.... or at least be incorporated there... i went through an incorporation company to get incorporated and it cost roughly 830US.. now the part i underestimated was how long it takes the IRS to send a tax id, and you need a tax id to be able to fill out the visa registration contract, and paycom/ccbill contract... the IRS took over 6 weeks to send my tax ID because of their policy that they can't give it over the phone... if you are a US citizen with a SSN you can get the number over the phone, but if you are a foreign entity you just have to wait... which is frusterating because i would always call back and ask for an update since its taking so long.. and the guys like.. its been sent, i'm looking at your number right now infront of me, it's been assigned.... and hes like its 7-9 digits, and right infront of me.. but i can't give it to you :mad:

anyways the site is up right now but i didn't really drive any traffic to it until i switch it over to paycom.. for a couple reasons... 1.) when i switch to paycom i would lose my rebills on ccbill and 2.) if i were to start taking on affiliates right now, they would get pissed if i switched to paycom and them having to change all their linking codes

btw.. currently i'm on a ccbill subaccount of someone elses... but i'm switching over to paycom, as soon as i recieved my tax ID... (roughly 1 week ago) i completed my paycom contract and sent in the visa fee to switch over.. site should be visa approved this coming monday-tuesday so look for an announcement thread :)

BTW.. a big hurdle for me was finding out information on how to get a paycom/ccbill account since i'm in canada and can't do it from here...

basically you need to go with paycom.. because even if you incorporate in the states CCBILL requires the principle owner of the LLC to LIVE in the states and also supply their SSN number... where as with paycom you can just give your canadian passport number etc...

but its not too big of a deal since paycom/ccbill are both good...

btw... costs so far for me in adult has been 10-11k and i've gotten a full teen solo site developed.... mind you that includes equipment and a content package and visa fee + incorporation... so now that i have the equipment costs and visa and bullshit paid for... the next solo site won't cost me nearly as much..

my first solo girl that i had started to work on a site with was a fucking nightmare.... so i'm really thankful to my new girl because she has manors and is well spoken etc.... and VERY easy to work with...

heres a pic of the girl btw.. and her site is being officially launched in a couple days....

http://www.adultforum.ca/jb/1.jpg http://www.adultforum.ca/jb/2.jpg

she's a hottie man! good luck! What kind of fees are you paying through paycom?

exactly what is an average site?

i guess what i meant was non-exclusive content... i dunno... was a long time ago... check the date this thread was posted; i've come a long way since then :)

thanks buddy, and i'm paying the normal rate.. i believe its 14.5% transaction fees... but obviously with more volume you get a bigger discount.... hopefully the site does good :)

No one has any of their own traffic to begin with, its not hard to get a decent amount of traffic to your site without using a program.
he can do it without other webmasters

You're the man sonofsam :)

thanks buddy :) i'm doing fansigns of my solo girl if you are interested... check the other thread

I've seen someone doing it for $250k/first site and I've seen others do it from $5k/first site... both can have the same results ... be smart, don't lie and don't fuck up anyone... and find good niches - babes and teens are the hardest to make profitable.
Also go for exclusive, quality content, with frequent updates.
The more you can do yourself, (or someone as a partner) the better.