Alex:
"Programming: $1200.00
Jr Webmaster labor: $1000.00

Advertising for 1 month: $5000.00"

What is Jr Webmaster labor? Is it the kid you pay to get the coffee and donuts?

It's about knowledge that is not easily obtainable. No book nor company will tell you how it's done, for that's like giving away lotto numbers.
An open unknown project for $75k, and you have the balls to say they will make it back in 90 days?
Your numbers are so way off that I wish today was April 1st, so a least I could get a giggle.

I will speak from my own experience. We started a exclusive paysite about 3 months ago. Here were the costs:

exclusive content: $18,000
3 page design: $1200
general programing and scripts: $2100
visa fees for: $1500
cascading software (one time purchase): $3000
general labor for screenshots and editing: $1100
1st month hosting: $600
1st month advertising: $1500

total cost to START the paysite (not including the reccuring cost of content, hosting, and advertsing): $29000

Rhino22:

Sounds rational!!

On some highly promoted sponsor sites there is one hell of a little content - amazingly little.

I got more content lying around here on CD's/drives and never looked at yet than some "big name" sponsors actually have. So hell knows what that says :-)

Tipsy:

Only my two cents worth - but that is the sum total of anything on the net - traffic! :-) It's what sponsors actually pay for.

Ya can stuff one page up - forget front ends, - and thrust real traffic at this and earn serious money.

thanks for all the feedback guys..

i think im just going to create 2 TGP's for now with asscamp.com and youngslutz.com ..

hopefully i'll learn a lot that way before i persue a paysite :)

or maybe it will help me raise funds to be able to start a paysite..

either way thanks a shitload guys

what cascading software did you buy for 3K?

these numbers are very realistic, I camed up with similar ones when I planned an exclusive paysite

You really dont have a clue what you are talking about

as he said, doing 350SUs a day to his own and other programs, he can make that money easily back.
for sure $75k investment mean for many of us shitload of money, in particular when it can be done for less.

so how much is needed to run one of these sites you have now?
:-)

where do these people come from? :waaaaahh

please see topic:


"how much can a 50k tgp make?"
thank you.

most big affiliate programs are still running piece of shit paysites with maybe $5000 spent per site - most of it on a fancy front end. They'll come to GFY with their reps showing it off like it's some work of art and months in development and morons and ass kissers will ooh and aaah at the glorious piece of crap. And they'll talk about the hundreds of plugins inside in lieu of exclusive content but plugins are extremely cheap today, you can add a plugin to 50 Bozo Bucks sites for cheap. this biz is still about fucking over the customer, delivering a $2 dollar product for 35 bucks a month. and yes you could make the argument that NIKE and Coca Cola do the same. Except most NIKE wearers and Coke drinkers know the product and like it, even though they know the product itself is worth a small fraction of what they paid for it. The numbers of people running quality sites and programs is on the increase though.

Alex if you're paying $300 for a DVD license you are either 1)lying or 2)getting ripped off.

Recently I bought and set up a string of TGP's to send traffic to my own paysites. I didn't have enough galleries to fill out all the niches on the TGP's so I started to do some affiliate work so I would have galleries for all the niches on the TGP's.

Low and behold there is an astonishing disparity in the value of the traffic sent to my own sites compared to the same traffic sent to PPS programs. I could list my own galleries in the wrong categories and still beat the PPS programs by almost 10:1.

Most newbies here don't have a benchmark for their traffic so they really don't know if they are being cheated or not. Unless someone is caught red handed shaving no one raises a stink about shitty ratios and the ongoing shaving theft just becomes part of "the way the business works".

On another note I was recently able to examine the stats of a +- $1 million gross PPS program that was up for sale. What was the profit after payouts on this program if it was run cleanly? About $1500 per week, jack squat. I'm sure there are others here who saw this and know what I'm talking about.

GFY is a razzle dazzle pimphat wearing fucktard kind of place full of gullible newbies with limited math skills. And as long as it is PPS and shaving will thrive.

:banana

I hope you're not talking about using sponsor's content in your paysite member's area. That's a huge mistake. You've got to have the rights to your content. Sponsor's give that free content (that was anything but free for them) to promote their sites, not help you build your own paysite.

You're so right.

How about a 100k tgp btw :1orglaugh

did this pps program have trials?

How many sites have you started DeadFidel? My guess is zero.
Not only does he get coffee and donuts every morning for me, he also cleans every digital photo that comes in. He submits numerous galleries, he manages the content for the affiliates and an assortment of other tasks. If you read my posts, you would have noticed that I said we send 350 joins/day to our program and other sponsors....so yes, we can break even after 90 days. The difference between you and my company is I'm not running a few galleries out of moomy's house. We happen to run a fine tune business. My job is to market and crunch numbers. So giggle all you want. Someday when you take this business serious and not just dabble in it for a few six packs a week, you will understand.

It all depends on the quality of content, if it is exclusive or not, & how much content.

Adult legal charges 280.00 for licensed DVD.....ok so I'm off 20 bucks...sorry.

Alex if you were to open up a pps program how much could you afford to pay out per join?

I am always amased how people can form conclusions when they have never actually run a program or understand the TRUE day to day cost of its operation.

Your Coke example was kinda funny considering a 24 oz glass of fountain coke is not cost quite .01 for them to deliver to the customer. Yet we as an industry are kicked in the nuts if we try to turn a profit. I wont even get into paying out 60% of the profits to affiliates.

Youre a bright guy Mutt. Open a program and see if you can make that same statement after one year in the biz.

It better be expensive fucking beer.

http://www.3wcash.com/6m.jpg

nice stats

those were very interesting to look at... :)

owned....

Interesting... has this program been sold yet? If so, how much did it go for and/or what is the asking price considering it does over $1mil in sales but only actually generates $1500 in profit? Slightly off topic but what would be a reasonable asking price for such a site?

Back to the topic, although I can't give any numbers because I've never owned a program, from what I'm reading, one needs to consider not only the cost involved in opening a paysite but also the period that it takes to recoup that investment. Alex stated around 90 days for him to break even on a $75k investment into a paysite. Before opening a site you have to ask yourself, do I have enough funds/traffic to keep me above water during those 90 days before I can begin reaping profits. At least that would be very important for me if I was considering opening a site. It would be a shame to have a great site open only to close it before turning a profit.

i am also wondering what program it is, the only program i have seen for sale recenlty is cswcash

ok...so I see 80k for 6 months.....really doesn't mean to much to me not knowing your margins. Lets assume you are kicking ass and have 30% margins....that is really 24k for that period or approx 48k per year.

So you are arond the Coors Light level.....LOL

Truth is you can start a paysite for a little as $5-$10k but don't expect a whole lot in return, unless you can fully support it with traffic and joins yourself.

But most decent mid-range sites run $50k-$100k startup and it helps to have another $10k-$25k per month for the 1st 3-6months... At that point you should be able to sustain a site and maybe even see some profit... :)

Starting up a quality site costs way more than $5k. The software and hardware alone will set you back more than that. While it is probably true that going on the cheap is possible here, you can only go live with a budget like this if your sweat equity is high and you are very skilled in programming, design and marketing. Very few can wear all those hats and yet to be lacking in any one area can mean failure if you are not smart enough to recognize your deficiencies and outsource or hire.

Scales of economy play a major role in site development. After you have a decent sized operation in play, launching a new site takes alot less time and money. Even with all the hardware, software and labor in place, just aquiring quality content doesnt that is adequate for a launch doesnt seem possible for $5k.

I would challenge you to try StiffyCash or Porn DVD Dollars which both have PPS options and I assure you that every signup your traffic generates will be credited to you... :)

the key is to develop your own in house traffic sources and not rely on others

30%? Now that's really funny; that may be your margin, fairly comprehensible by the cost factors you find acceptable, but not mine. I shoot, write, promote, and maintain everything.
I only pay for design and bandwidth. I am far from being a player, (in this biz anyway) and that is a very small part of my income.

...and on a side note:
"The difference between you and my company is I'm not running a few galleries out of moomy's house"

"moomy's house" never looked this good.
MY PLACE

Well said. If this is who I think it is, hit me up on icq

It's really interesting to get insight from somebody 'in the know' as you are since you operate sites. In your opinion what should/would a true Per Signup Payout based on a) trials (ex. 4.95 trial) b) full membership (ex. $29.99 membership) based on what you know about the ability to pay without any BS involved?

Judging by the post I would assume that $20-$25 would be reasonable? I had worked out some numbers on this about a year ago to see if I could understand some of the payout structures. I came in the range of $20-$25. How does that sound to you?

double post

Now that is about the best breakdown I have seen here yet.
People can save if they have the programming and web design skills.

Interesting... well, you have a decent sized operation today. How did you get started? Did you always have money to draw from or did you wear all the 'hats' in the beginning so to speak?

Forgive my curiosity, it's my nature :)

Say you need:
10 paysite designs = 15k
200 dvd movies x $200 full license = $40k
hosting x $5k x 6 months prepaid = $30k
affiliate program script x 6 months = $8k (nats)
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$100k or so if you want to start a more serious business.

5-10k needed