Then again, looking at this from the affiliates point of view.. The programs i've promoted that went from ccbill to cascading i really haven't noticed any remarkable difference, In some cases sales have actually droped.. So in many ways i'd still prefere to easily check for fraud rather than be told i can make x% extra sales with cascading and then not be able to check if i'm shaved.

Guess in the end it does, as you said, come down to your trust to and the honesty of the program you promote..
I just prefere to have as much control along with my trust as posible *lol*

People claim you can "easily" shave with NATS (which you can't as easily as some of them would like to think). If that were to be true then you could do so just as easily with a ccbill program. So CCBill really doesn't provide you any extra security than NATS, MPA, or any other software out there.

Hey John

One big advantage ccbill has that i don't find in these softwares though is that the 2 most important things, the join page and the stats page, are both hosted on ccbills servers..
I know this doesn't make them 100% shave proof but at least i have a chance to check.. I can check the source code on the join page if my affiliate code carries through, and i can check the stats if rebills etc. are set corect.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not on a crusade against affiliate softwares or anything of the kind, they are excelent tools for making us all more money, but i would love to see more of the features that are put in these softwares where features made for the affiliate aswell, like showing what the rebill % are set for and some strong features to directly take precautions against shaving/cheating.. Looks like Nats is allready headed in that direction, but at lot can still be done so that i don't need to trust some guy half way around the world to be honest to some guy he has no reason other than he's own moral standarts not to shave :eek2

john john john
 

now i know why i haven't been here in 2 years......

is this industry ever going to come together and stop all the bickering and mistrust of each other.

john you have a good product from what i know of it and i have a lot of respect for C and his integrity. i had a long chat with him last week and we actually talked alot about the industry and the fact that the truth always comes out in the end. i know that there will never be any type of shaving with NATS as long as C is there. So, John, let your product do the talking. If you have a good product, people will use it even if they bashed it in the past. But, if you start alienating people or bashing competitors, you will lose people for ever. People forgive, but they never forget...

Just my two cents...... Know will someone please tell me what they are doing to keep traffic consistent?

Good points :)

We are implimenting a system into NATS that will be a URL each NATS program will have that will show the details of each and every program they have. Meaning the click rates for per click programs, revshare rates for revshare programs, etc. It will also show all other details about the program. This will be a standard URL for NATS installs and not editable by the affiliate programs themselves.

I'll pose the same question to you. Show me where I bashed a competitor?

Just becuase someone on GFY says something doesn't mean it's true. If everything posted on this board were fact we'd live in a very strange world.

you missed the point
 

i was suggesting, why even go back and forth prolonging an exchange of words when you are not going to hange your stance today and others are not going to change theirs. i know you have a lot of passion for your product and that is good, but don't let passion turn into emotion because it's a waste of time. Again, let your product do the talking for you.

i'm down to a penny so i am going to have to owe you the other one

We simply do not let others badmouth us. And we do not need others coming to us and claiming we would bash someone. We do not. We never have and never will. If anyone wants to show me or John otherwise, simply post a link here where we do bash someone.

You claimed we bash, so show us, or admit that you were wrong and we never actually did bash anyone.

The reason why we go back and forth here is because others keep saying stuff about us which is simply not true. You want us to just sit here and listen and not care?

We love our product, we are proud of our product, and we will defend it any time we have to.

you are still missing the point
 

bashing, being aggresive, who gives a shit. the point is that it doesn't accomplish anything. i would defend your product more agressively than either one of you if needed. honesty amd integrity is held very close to my heart and i know that C would never compromise his ethics over the almighty dollar, so just drop it and READ what i wrote without getting so defensive. i am sharing some insight based on my experience, thats it. i am not asking you to agree with me. if you go back to the first post i made and truly read it, you would realize that i am on your side, but if you are going to continue to drag this out, how eager do you think i will be to support you guys in the future? (that of course does not include C because of the respect i have for him)

First, you can say Charlie, we don't have any "secrets" or "code" around here. We don't hide anything.

Second, you're missing the point. When someone accuses us of doing things we have not done we are going to defend ourselves. We're not going to sit back and let people spread false things and make wrongful accusations. Unforunately around this place people love to do that.

Third, you're an anonymous poster. If you have something to say, let us know who you are. Don't come in here acting "holier-than-thou" and not have the honesty to say who you are.

Fourth, I got your point, and you're right, arguing with idiots over and over again IS a waste of time. However, I'm not going to not stand up for myself and my coimpany when people who have nothing better to do than post on GFY feel that we are they way they need to get attention this week.

Fifth, and again, this thread was NOT started by us. When someone brings us into something we're going to take part in it. Thats a good thing, not a bad thing (for us and everyone else involved).

This is my last post to you until you decide you want to let us know who you are and stop trying to talk in code.

This will indeed be very interesting to see, as i said it looks like Nats is headed in the right direction, this seems to underline that statement :)

Heck, one day i might even start trusting my sponsors again if you keep this up,*lol*

Thank you, I truely appreciate that.

We're trying to be the good guys here and do the right thing. We seem to be getting some flack for it from some people. I can't understand why that's the case. This industry is going to change one way or another. If we can help it change even a bit for the good then we've done our job. We'll never be perfect but we can try as hard as we can to get as close to perfect as we can.

not quite
 

there is no holier than thou attitude. i posted because i know that when things start getting emotional, it only escalates. no good ever comes from that. is it your nature to look at everything as negative? i stated, i am not askiung you to agree with what i said, but at least digest it before getting aggressive. i never said you were wrong in defending your company, but there is a difference between defending your company and getting agressive and taking it personally. as far as charlie goes, i dont ever post someones name unless its listed. as far as who i am, i would be more than happy to share that off line. i have been around adult for 5 or 6 years and i am smart enough to not get caught up in all this bullshit which is why i left in the first place. if i where in your shoes i would be a little more cautious about getting agressive with someone i dont know. if someone takes time to give you some advice whether you agree with it or not, do you think they are trying to help you or hurt you. i never put you down in any of my posts and i never got agressive. so what do you think you gained by being agressive with my? if anything, i am dissapointed by the way you handled the whole situation. now maybe you will realize that i was only trying to help.

I'm not getting agressive with you. You came on with no posts under an anonymous name and accused me of bashing people. I asked you to state where I have done this. I'm not getting agreesive with you. You're the one who came on here accusing me. I understand you are trying to help, I can see that much, and thank you for it. However by doing what the others are doing you are just perpetuating the problem also.

As far as who you are, please call me, 732-792-0274 (thats a home office #) or post your # if you'd like me to reach you. Charlie would like to speak with you also.

We're still waiting.

wow i'm kinda suprised this thread is still goin, lol

And still waiting :(

everything we have is built inhouse and is solid.


does anyone know about riverstix? they are used by tons of programs and only promoted thru word of mouth by programs

So whats the dirt on both softwares

We also have free trials :costumed-

gave up eh? :tongue:

Yes, i wont but Moe will be there ! damn...have fun sking :-) your going to like what we got you....you guys are great people!

exactly.....thank you

I think both companies are great! " just need to get the way their marketing strategies are....