yawn here we go again.

Intrigue, I like the way you've posted things (very professional even tho they're "on the other side"). I'd really like to speak with you more. Please shoot me an icq, 5596373 or AIM, JohnA1078. Or call me on monday, 732-385-1536 x111.

Thanks!

Unfortuantely :(

I must say I am very impressed to see John remain calm and professional (in public :karaoke) while so many others are not so "proffessional" (as Abys stated). I can say all my (business) dealings with John have gone very smoothly and I hope to work with him again.


PS: John, I'll hit you up on ICQ later.

Cry baby bitch, have it your way.

You been more than glad to stab MPA in the back with every step.
You know who I am and thats fine just take my advice and find a different policy for your marketing. I aint personoly warning you. I am just telling you like it is and the backlash is going to be horrible as both MPA and NATS loose credibility!

C-mon man think!

I can't wait to switch, i already have NATS installed on my server...just waiting for the new ver.2.0 redesign for www.nichepay.com

Thx John.. :xmas-smil

word, i just try to avoid misunderstandings :)

(i'm friendly, really!)

You're the one creating the drama by turning it into a fight, name calling, telling me what to do, how my "what I got ain't shit", etc. I'm here to have a discussion as I've done with others. Carry on.

Fine I shall...

In my own way...
But then I will have nothing to do with it, I am just giving you a reality check.

And dont say I didnt warn you...

Merry Xmas :laughing-

Great way to end it, with a threat.

Wanna gimme a free logo for xmas? :glugglug

Hey, just want to make sure you caught my post further up about contacting me. You replied to another of mine before that one but didn't on that one. Just making sure you caught it.

I cant stop fate...
I read Tea leaves on telephone wires but once again its nothing but the "Correct" posturing of a company trying to save face. I seen it a hundred times...

Ya got blood on your hands driving it so hard into MPA.


Yawn.
Deny it all you want its there bro...

Peace.

MPA wound up where they did by their actions, not ours.

relax yourself... a bit drunk here on xmas... and it was too late to go back and edit... and its Abyss, not abys

happy holidays :xmas-smil

Listem I aint your enemy, infact I have reccomended NATS to several clients as the system to go with. I am PAID very well with my thoughts and creations this war of attrition is marked and remains a cntroversy.

I hate being wrong.
Infact when I am wrong I loose money and faith in my technolgy reccomendations for business in Adult when I am wrong.

If you look bad, I look bad, and I have never even met you in person.
Hopefully that can change. Take Raphi's words and read into em man.

You have met me in person, you just don't remember :)

Thank you for the recommendations. "Drama" or not, NATS is a superior system. Drama is the last thing we want and IMO it's been turned into drama by others. We're not here to make war, we're here to discuss things. Of course we're going to be somewhat agressive, we're the newcomer in the market. Agressive isn't necessarily angry and if I've ever come across that way I didn't mean to. I truely believe in our product and I am very passionate about it. That can sometimes translate to cockiness, nothing I can do about that. I really do believe in our product.

I'm not looking to fight with you or anyone for that matter. You just really turned me off when you started with the name calling and "shut the fuck up and do what I say". I'd like to put it behind me and get your input on things as I try to do with everyone. I understand Raffi's point. However IMO he's mad becuase he's using MPA3 on his AdultLounge program and he occasionally has an affiliate deny using it becuase it runs MPA. That happens becuase of what MPA has done in the past, which yes, I have brought up to people when I am asked about the differences between our companies because that is a fundamental one. I'm also sure I'll do it again in the future, it's not something I regret doing.

As far as NATS goes, it is a fantastic product which again I truely believe in or else I wouldn't be a part of it.

For anyone interested in NATS and finding out what makes it so great we are holding two seminars @ Internext. You can find out full info here: http://www.toomuchmedia.com/nats/seminar.html Mansion has even registered for one of the seminars and they are more than welcome to attend, we have nothing to hide and I have no hatred, bad feelings, or anger towards Oystein. I'd be more than happy to take him to dinner and discuss things with him, thats what I prefer to do. It's others who come along and whether it be for attention, post counts, or sig views turn things into drama. That's not what we're about. We're here to do business, be profesional and provide the best product we can for our clients.

P.S. I've spoken with Raffi on a # of occasions and absolutely believe he's a stand up guy and would never do anything to defraud anyone.

I dont post for sig views PB I got more to live for:)
I will be working with your team shortly I feel on some things. I go over the top thats how I am its more than just attention whoring.
I mean business when I do it just to be sure I understand things about character.

Rest assured I will be in touch and hopefully in Vegas we can meet once again. If I recognise your face I am gonna laugh cuz its always a mystery to me how shit happens when the real thing comes down.

Peace out bud.
Merry Xmas:)

I didn't mean you specifically when I mentioned the sig whoring/post counts. I look forward to meeting you again in Vegas and hearing your input, we'll be at booth 851.

Merry Xmas to you too, which reminds me, I have family to get back to :)

Raffi was cool enough to answer my questions about adultlounge one time when art wasn't around, even though it was late at night and i was probably just being annoying :thumbsup

:love-smil

Raphi asked me to do a venture with em and stupid me turned em down. He is a great guy. I will never know if I missed a shot or not, but the guy is cool no matter how ya look at it:)

The venture many people would have jumped on, its golden shot really but I only got a couple years left before I retire maybe less.

Wow...just got back from family christmas dinner and opening gifts...nice to see everyone here discussing about these issues and such great comments from everyone.... i have so much to reply dont even know where to start...but i do want to say that this thread may hopefully change the way webmasters look at affiliate programs...like some of you have nailed it....we affiliate programs shouldnt market ourselves for the software we use but for who we really are.....did we all forget about the more important things in this industry...the hard work we put in for the content we produce, websites we launch and the 1000's of checks we write every week for our affiliate partners to be successfull with us. I mean the hell with it....even if i use Nats, MPA3 or write my own software, i can shave any time i want to....trust me there are ways....but I WILL NEVER DO BUSINESS IS SUCH A WAY...Because of who i am and how far i have come....I will say it again, i have been in AudioText in 1989 until 1995 invented the personals which i had many affiliates in major print media such as LAReader, VillageVoice, LAWeekly, etc etc...and we generated millions of minutes per month in 900 Number telephone calls...i paid them monthly for those revenues as my affiliate partners...so i have been conducting this type of relationships for a long time and will continue to do so for many more years to come.....we are all in it together! Merry Xmas...see you all in Vegas...

One of my very good friends is Indian...known him since 1996...he has programmed one of the largest gaming sites online....he now lives in India....he is the owner of Iglobal Media....the owner of PartyPoker.com and lots of other casino sites....genius programmer...

..Or maybe they will just loose trust in programs using any type of affiliate software.. After all a direct ccbill link is way easier to check for shaving/fraud than anything going through nats or mpa :2 cents:
Kinda ironic if that's was to be the end result of the nats/mpa war *lol*

I am very happy with nats. I know all the people running the company and they are good friends of mine. I know how serious they are about nats and its reputation. They would do nothing to compromise that. About 3 weeks ago we all went out to lunch. I had time to listen to what they had to say and pick their brains. It was a truly inspiring experience. I cant say that about too many adult companies. You have only seen the tip of the ice berg with nats. Wait till you see what's on the horizon.
However, I do see rafi's point, but I assure you thats not because John is trying to bash a competitors software. It's simply because he truly believes in his own product categorically. When someone has an emotional investment in their product, you know you will be treated right. This aint just some tax write off for them. They, as I, believe fully in this product.
I was their first customer.. I knew it would be big. Now it is. And it's getting bigger. We need to except that.
Regards,
Duke

Merry Christmas to you! :thumbsup

maybe ....

Also, just using Ccbill wont give us the option of cascading....

Hey speaking of rumors, you started one on another board about epoch not allowing free trials? and that you are the only one that can, care to explain?

I am quoting you here:

"Epoch Puts an End to FREE Trials...Sooo... ....if you need some to promote we have em....I was told Epoch/Paycom is no longer accepting new FREE Trial sites....although they have still honored us to keep ours.....so if anyone is still looking for FREE trial sites to promote visit www.AdultLounge.com for a list of 10 Free Trial Sites available....

Explain this????????????????????????????????

Yes, Epoch themselves told me that they are not approving any more sites and assigning product codes for Free Trials....Its true...Feel free to call them directly at 888-627-3888

Raffi, merry xmas...to you guys.....heard some of the Adult Lounge/World Wide Content crew is coming up the hill this week. We are ready for Moe....! :D

Bump :thumbsup

The drama on this board is just too damn funny, competition is what makes this world go round. Without competition we would have inferior products and even worse support, try to respect everyone with the same respect you want (and deserve) and you will see how much farther you can go in business and life. Business is Business and decision shouldnt be made from a few bashing threads, it should be made by taking all the facts, anylizing all the data, and making what is the best decision for your business. I love to grab a beer with potential clients/partners but i will neve make a decision based on knocking back a few with a buddy. Competion is good, but this constant bashing is getting out of hand

For what it's worth there's already a lot of people who make good money, visit but don't post on boards like GFY and would think hard now before using NATS. The program may be great but the bashing, vomit inducing ass kissing and annoying drama put them off using it.

There's better ways to prmote and defend your business than the crap that's been appearing on GFY recently

Neither one of the programs shave. If shaving is going on, it is with the sponsor. I don't worry about what program a sponsor uses, instead I deal with sponsors I know and trust.

You people just never quit.

We have never based or attacked Mansion. If I posted a thread every day about "Mansion did this" "Mansion did that". Then I would be an asshole and what a few of you seem to harp on would be true. I have NEVER posted a thread like that, EVER. And I never will becuase I do not attack them. Garry came on and said I did and a few of you seem to just believe what you read. We have NEVER attacked Mansion. Saying our product is better is not attacking someone. Apparently a few of you can't comprehend that.

Can one of you recent posters who said there is too much "bashing" show me where we "bashed" them please?

The "crap" on GFY isn't started by us, as this thread wasn't. None of these "drama" threads are. Some of you seem to not realize this. People like our product and somehow this means when that angers others we are "bashing" them.

I highly doubt we're loosing much business if any over these stupid threads (again, started by others) considering we're growing extremely fast and doing better than ever. The threads do annoy me however. But again, we NEVER start them.