EviLSuperstaR

Seems like the Faluya massacre made things only worse.

Too light armor for US troops, weeks of warnings before attacking the main insurgent town, tons of explosives stolen, Iraqi policemen as sitting ducks,...
Am I the only one that gets the impression that the Bush administration wants this war to last? War seems to keep them in power well.

http://www.turkishpress.com/world/ne...1.wnoqajok.xml

QuaWee

Just make me pissed off more that he got re-elected

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Lev

why are you reading the turkish press? Turkey oppressing its journalists and limiting the freedom of speech, I would not read anything that comes out from that country

Rich

America doesn't?

Lev

you are truly blind my friend, does America jail journalists and torture them? Does America ban certain "words" and facts in history and if they are mentioned the person goes to jail?

BackToMine

News flash:
Turkey = Muslim country
Turkey = True democracy
Turkey might soon be part of EU too.

Rich

Oh, is that what you said? I must have misread. You're right, America doesn't kill journalists. I thought you said they oppresses journalists and limit freedom of speech.

Lev

that is the most funny thing I have ever heard. Turkey= true democracy??? Oppressing its minorities you call democracy? Killing Kurds you call democracy? Jailing people for speaking the truth you call democracy? Their whole country is built on other peoples blood.

Nobody wants Turkey in the EU, Erdogan tries very hard sucking EU member's balls, but it's not going to happen. Europe doesn't need barbarians.

EviLSuperstaR

It's one of the three world headlines on http://news.google.com
In case you want to stay blind those nine soldiers also died on BBC, Reuters and AP.

r3ap3r

I say put Bush in a combat uniform and send his ass to Iraq.

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Rich

Actually that's not true, they do kill journalists, just not American journalists. They killed several Al-Jazeera reporters in Iraq after being told their coordinance.

BackToMine

Yes, fact. They get the approval of international election monitors.

No one denies that. But doesn't change the fact that its a democracy, citizens vote for the government.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/shrd/2003/31021.htm

Exactly same as Israel and USA.
Israel was created using terrorism against the British. USA stole most of its land (....New Mexico...)


So why is it part of NATO.
Western countries relied so much upoun Turkey during the Cold War.

EviLSuperstaR

An impressive track record of the US killing western and arabian journalists in Iraq: http://www.oilempire.us/mediawar.html

Many unembedded journalists were attacked, arrested and threatened by the US army during the Iraq invasion.

BackToMine

Yea, I read Al-Jazeera notified the US military numerous times the exact location of their offices in Afghanistan and Iraq, days later the buildings were bombed.

Lev

I am not going to argue with you. Just type "turkey" in human rights watch or freedom house reports and you will see what I am talking about. Maybe citizens vote for their government, because there is no strong opposition, have you ever thought about that, if you look at it this way, Cuba is democratic also, cause people always will vote for Castro, because there is no opposition

So you are comparing Israel and Britain. What about the Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians, Kurds and finally the Armenians that the Ottoman government massacred? They were citiziens of the Ottoma Empire and had all the rights to be protected. They were innocent people who got killed because they were christian and not muslim. Armenian Genocide, does it ring a bell??? The ideology that Turkey was formed on, the "Pan Turkism" is still embedded in the current government, which claims it is secular. Bullshit!

During the Cold War, there was a bigger threat, the Soviet Union, so Europe and the U.S. could care less about Turkey's poor democracy and what it does to its minorities. It's politics.

directfiesta

LOL LOL

Fucking sheep:

The day you stop thinking that "Americans" are so great and above everybody, maybe that day the world will have a chance...

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BackToMine

I don't disagree on Turkey's abismal human rights record. Read above I said "No one denies that." And the rest of your comments about Turkey's past is also 100% correct.

Oh but there is opposition:
http://www.electionworld.org/turkey.htm#parties
Remember when Turkey didn't allow US to use its soil to invade Iraq? Well that was voted in the Turkish parliment more than once even though it would have been in the best interests of Turkey to allow the US because of return favours that the US promised them. They rejected it though.

I agree its democracy can be improved to Western Europe standards as the President wants but its still a democracy (even the US recognizes it as a Democracy http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/tu.html).

The US still doesn't care about Turkey's past, the US congress tried to pass a bill to recognize Turkey's massacres but was blocked by the White House after Turkey sent some delegates to warn them that they'll use their vote different and that they will deny US the use of its bases to attack any country, etc.

EviLSuperstaR

Is Killing Journalists Part of Pentagon Press Policy?


NEW YORK - April 10 - The Pentagon has held up its practice of "embedding" journalists with military units as proof of a new media-friendly policy. On April 8, however, U.S. military forces launched what appeared to be deliberate attacks on independent journalists covering the war, killing three and injuring four others.
In one incident, a U.S. tank fired an explosive shell at the Palestine Hotel, where most non-embedded international reporters in Baghdad are based. Two journalists, Taras Protsyuk of the British news agency Reuters and Jose Cousa of the Spanish network Telecino, were killed; three other journalists were injured. The tank, which was parked nearby, appeared to carefully select its target, according to journalists in the hotel, raising and aiming its gun turret some two minutes before firing a single shell.

Journalists who witnessed the attack unequivocally rejected Pentagon claims that the tank had been fired on from the hotel. "I never heard a single shot coming from any of the area around here, certainly not from the hotel," David Chater of British Sky TV told Reuters (4/8/03). Footage shot by French TV recorded quiet in the area immediately before the attack (London Independent, 4/9/03).

Earlier in the day, the U.S. launched separate but near-simultaneous attacks on the Baghdad offices of Al Jazeera and Abu Dhabi TV, two Arabic-language news networks that have been broadcasting graphic footage of the human cost of the war. Both outlets had informed the Pentagon of their exact locations, according to a statement from the Committee to Protect Journalists. As with the hotel attack, Pentagon officials claimed that U.S. forces had come under fire from the press offices, charges that were rejected by the targeted reporters.

The airstrike against Al Jazeera killed one of the channel's main correspondents in Iraq, Tareq Ayoub, and injured another journalist, prompting Al Jazeera to try to pull its remaining reporters out of Baghdad for fear of their safety (BBC, 4/9/03). Personnel at Abu Dhabi TV escaped injury from an attack with small-arms fire.

Al Jazeera, which the Bush administration has criticized for airing footage of American POWs, has been attacked several times by U.S. and British forces during the war in Iraq. Its offices in Basra were shelled on April 2, and its camera crew in that city fired on by British tanks on March 29. A car clearly marked as belonging to Al Jazeera was shot at by U.S. soldiers on April 7 (Reporters Without Borders, 4/8/03).

http://www.commondreams.org/news2003/0410-14.htm

Corleone

That aren't news thats the sad reality..

I read this in the News everyday..

5 deads ...10 deads ..1000 deads.. when will this shit end? in 4 years?

BackToMine

They'll depend on the Democrats to get elected in 2008 and fix all the mess the rednecks created in the 8 years.

Lev

You have a point there. But don't you agree Turkey has to recognize its past atrocities and put them behind, so it can start a fresh begining in the EU?
France think so

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4092933.stm


As for the U.S., it is a matter of time before it recognizes the Armenian Genocide. Armenian lobby is one of the powerful ethnic lobbies here. Plus the U.S. does not need Turkey as much as before, the Cold War is over and Iraq has been conqured, so I don't see any use for Turkey. I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

But I want to thank you that you aknowlege the massacres that took place.

BackToMine

Definitely.
When they do, Turkey should be an example to all other Arab countries in the Middle East.

BackToMine

That's it, the Armenian Lobby. There was a good documentary on Channel4 a few years ago about it.

Mojiteaux

Turkey is not an Arab country

Pornopat

Who is still counting and why?

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bu((aneer

you are a fucking moron, Bush has made this country safer! Have you ever served dipshit? You dont know all of the variables at play!

CamChicks

Democracy = tyranny by majority. When we in the west praise "democracy", we are actually referring to a very limitied form of democracy restrained by a comprehensive libertarian bill of rights.

Most minority civil rights would never have been granted if all we had was simple democracy. Majorities opposed desegregation; majorities opposed gay rights, etc etc... If we lived in a pure democracy homosexuality would still be illegal because the majority of america are straight christians who consider it a sin worthy of eternal damnation. I'm not sure you'd be allowed to practice any other religion, if not for the counter-democratic consitution. The white majority surely would never have allowed interracial relationships if not for judges forcing this country to accept it.

Pure democracy can be as bad as any dictatorship. That's exactly why the Sunni's in Iraq are resisting this new "democracy" because they do not wish to live under the rule of the majority Shia population. "Democracy" in Iraq also means it would become a strict islamic state like Iran, because that is what the majority of the population wants.

Turkey can be a true democracy, regardless of any human rights violations, as long as the votes are counted and the representatives fairly elected. An elected government with popular support can do whatever it wants to whomever they wish while still technically being democratic.

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