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PrivateIvy 12-12-2004 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall
..:eek7

and you only let me see like 6 of them?

how dare you:Graucho


You know I'm saving a very special "Private" collection just for you :Graucho


Ivy

Jeff aka NIGHTfall 12-12-2004 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
You know I'm saving a very special "Private" collection just for you :Graucho


Ivy

:Graucho call me :Graucho

mailman 12-12-2004 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
.... drama by yourselves :Graucho

Ivy


Nice responce... :1orglaugh

This has something to do with you and your site and now after claiming "Until today, I didn't realize how large that section had gotten" this is a total cop out...

Pretty lame...

PrivateIvy 12-12-2004 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall
:Graucho call me :Graucho

I was supposed to crash and turn this machine off 2 posts ago :winkwink:

Since you say you've only seen 6...here's a special one, just shot last week :Graucho

And I really am getting ready to go to bed !

Nightie Night .....

Ivy

http://www.privateivy.com/pix/Forums...lknerYahoo.jpg

mailman 12-12-2004 12:13 AM

Ahhh how nice your trying to make it a happy thread...

go make another thread to post your pictures in!

chodadog 12-12-2004 12:19 AM

Affiliate programs should have specific rules about this because it really is a goldmine. It gives people with small paysites the ability to add oodles of free content for members and it will benefit both parties. Obviously the program giving away the free content has got paying customers looking at their shit, and that can only be good.

But obviously it can be abused. If someone puts up 100 pics and has a tiny text link at the bottom of the page, well then, that's no good, is it?

However, if you make a rule like.. 1 prominent link for every 10 pictures, or 15 pictures, etc. Could work out really well.

Of course, permission should always be required.

mailman 12-12-2004 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by pussyluver
Thanks for the reply post. The thread hit a nerve and I went off a bit and off topic. The exits argument could go on for ever, you are right.. MP links have been back for awhile. Call it burried!

Looks like all is being resolved between the parties. Ok, a little tense. That's the way it happens sometimes.


Perfect... Im glad thats done with man!

Like I said contact me if you are looking for tip or tools to promote and get better ratios Im here about 24 hours a day!

:thumbsup

SureFire 12-12-2004 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
Hey Tia,
Not sure how I could be acting like a kid as you stated, because I made one post in this thread that basically explained everything and I didn't see a need to post anything further.

I had active links to MP in all the galleries they provided to me and I have now pulled them down , so end of story on that. ( notice the red x's on their screen caps...those were active links )

As for the page I had on my site that showed small thumbnails of numerous "girlfriends" that I featured in the members area to give them an idea of who was inside, it honestly never ocurred to me that it was considered "stealing" . I had always had that page, since back in 2002 and I'm sure I got the idea from other sites that were doing the same, many of which used my own image and name and I never thought twice about it because I knew they were promoting me in their members area.

So many single model sites use thumbnails on their update pages , etc. to show when they add a new girlfriend feature ( girlfriend gallery exchanges,etc.) and until this thread I never thought anything about it.

I have pulled that page down, because I do understand the point that was made on that.

I don't see any need to stay here and dwell on this issue and reply to every accusation or hate post ? If that makes me childish, then I guess I'm childish.

I stand behind my statement that if there was an issue, I should have been contacted via email or ICQ and it would have been handled promptly. I understand bringing drama to the boards as a last result , etc. and this was not the case.

OH, and lastly, thanks MP for the joins :-

Ivy

Ivy, can't you admit that you cheated and got call on it? :glugglug

mailman 12-12-2004 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
Affiliate programs should have specific rules about this because it really is a goldmine. It gives people with small paysites the ability to add oodles of free content for members and it will benefit both parties. Obviously the program giving away the free content has got paying customers looking at their shit, and that can only be good.

But obviously it can be abused. If someone puts up 100 pics and has a tiny text link at the bottom of the page, well then, that's no good, is it?

However, if you make a rule like.. 1 prominent link for every 10 pictures, or 15 pictures, etc. Could work out really well.

Of course, permission should always be required.


Well thats about it... we tried to be diffrent and people loved us for it and others just abused teh shit out of it and now when we find someone who we would have assumed knowed better doing wrong we are basicly forced to change it.. shame really but we will still make sure our good webmasters who send more then 50 clicks in a span of 8 months :glugglug can get hooked up with the good stuff.

Jeff aka NIGHTfall 12-12-2004 12:23 AM

http://www.privateivy.com/pix/Forums...lknerYahoo.jpg

http://xs6.xs.to/pics/04500/spooge.gif

Jace 12-12-2004 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
Affiliate programs should have specific rules about this because it really is a goldmine. It gives people with small paysites the ability to add oodles of free content for members and it will benefit both parties. Obviously the program giving away the free content has got paying customers looking at their shit, and that can only be good.

But obviously it can be abused. If someone puts up 100 pics and has a tiny text link at the bottom of the page, well then, that's no good, is it?

However, if you make a rule like.. 1 prominent link for every 10 pictures, or 15 pictures, etc. Could work out really well.

Of course, permission should always be required.

well said, and that is exactly how it shoudl be

If I was planning on working with sponsor content in my members area it would work out perfectly...I use sitedepth.com with the upsell banners activated....and each gallery only shows 20 images per page with the upsell banner on top and bottom....so, that would be a perfect scenario for this type of situation

r3ap3r 12-12-2004 12:26 AM

That's my same reaction. Ivy is soooo hot.:thumbsup

Jeff aka NIGHTfall 12-12-2004 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by r3ap3r
That's my same reaction. Ivy is soooo hot.:thumbsup
back up... she is mine:Graucho

SykkBoy 12-12-2004 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
Affiliate programs should have specific rules about this because it really is a goldmine. It gives people with small paysites the ability to add oodles of free content for members and it will benefit both parties. Obviously the program giving away the free content has got paying customers looking at their shit, and that can only be good.

But obviously it can be abused. If someone puts up 100 pics and has a tiny text link at the bottom of the page, well then, that's no good, is it?

However, if you make a rule like.. 1 prominent link for every 10 pictures, or 15 pictures, etc. Could work out really well.

Of course, permission should always be required.

exactly

I would also add:
there really isn't anything wrong with upselling a member to another site because believe it or not, some surfers will be members at more than one site at a time...

I had a friend who used to be an avid porn site fan (quite a time before TGP's and all the free content available now) and he would often have memberships to 3-4 sites at a time. The reason? some had content the others didn't have.

Think of it this way: you have a specialized site dedicated to ebony women and that's pretty much all you have in your site and it's exclusive content, why not offer another site ina different niche to your members? They might not only keep recurring for you for your exclusive ebony content, but might also stick around to that latina site or anal site you upsold them to.

If you have a great site with loyal members, why not use that trust and recomend other non-competing sites to them?

I do agree 100 pics for one tiny text link would be a slap in the face, but a gallery of 20-25 pics with a prominent link shouldn't be much of a problem, but that should be a sponsor's call.

Bottom line: keep in constant contact with your sponsors.

SureFire 12-12-2004 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
I was supposed to crash and turn this machine off 2 posts ago :winkwink:

Since you say you've only seen 6...here's a special one, just shot last week :Graucho

And I really am getting ready to go to bed !

Nightie Night .....

Ivy

http://www.privateivy.com/pix/Forums...lknerYahoo.jpg

Wow...another naked pic of Ivy...

I guess seeing a nude picture will make me forget that your member area lacks. :glugglug

graphicsbytia 12-12-2004 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
Hey Tia,
Not sure how I could be acting like a kid as you stated, because I made one post in this thread that basically explained everything and I didn't see a need to post anything further.

I had active links to MP in all the galleries they provided to me and I have now pulled them down , so end of story on that. ( notice the red x's on their screen caps...those were active links )

As for the page I had on my site that showed small thumbnails of numerous "girlfriends" that I featured in the members area to give them an idea of who was inside, it honestly never ocurred to me that it was considered "stealing" . I had always had that page, since back in 2002 and I'm sure I got the idea from other sites that were doing the same, many of which used my own image and name and I never thought twice about it because I knew they were promoting me in their members area.

So many single model sites use thumbnails on their update pages , etc. to show when they add a new girlfriend feature ( girlfriend gallery exchanges,etc.) and until this thread I never thought anything about it.

I have pulled that page down, because I do understand the point that was made on that.

I don't see any need to stay here and dwell on this issue and reply to every accusation or hate post ? If that makes me childish, then I guess I'm childish.

I stand behind my statement that if there was an issue, I should have been contacted via email or ICQ and it would have been handled promptly. I understand bringing drama to the boards as a last result , etc. and this was not the case.

OH, and lastly, thanks MP for the joins :-

Ivy

No hon.. what I mean by childish is that you are so reluctant to just admit you were wrong and apologize.

You say you weren't aware it was stealing to use the thumbnails on your tour. Ok, maybe you didn't know.. but it was up to you to find out what the TOS were.. you were wrong not to do that.. and when you're called on it, you make up all these excuses.. that's the part I found childish.

Nobody's going to hate you for doing something wrong.. but if you don't at least own up to it.. it'll tarnish your reputation for sure.

And you know what else Ivy? I like you.. otherwise I wouldn't spend the time explaining what I meant.

EntreNous 12-12-2004 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chodadog
Obviously the program giving away the free content has got paying customers looking at their shit, and that can only be good.

But obviously it can be abused. If someone puts up 100 pics and has a tiny text link at the bottom of the page, well then, that's no good, is it?



The obvious solution is to watermark (stamp your url on 'em) any content you give away free :)

It isn't rocketscience

emthree 12-12-2004 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mailman
Hello welcome back to the thread :)
I just read this entire thread, it's 4AM on a SUNDAY morning. I think you owe me and the other thread readers some eyecandy now. :Graucho

offtopic: Didn't PI pull some sneaky backstabbing styled shit on another Miss GFY girl? Correct me if i'm wrong, but I remember this.

IVY: I understand where you stand in your last post, but who the hell snags the ENTIRE set and pushes it as his/her own? Then you drop a tiny ass banner at the bottom, which is somehow suppose to "convert" lol
You run your own set of sites, dont act dumb. The stupid/clueless act wont cut it.

TheEbonyFelony 12-12-2004 02:13 AM

http://www.netalbum.gr/data/media/52/horse_woman.JPG

Clicky_Bucks 12-12-2004 03:21 AM

It must be nice to be a female webmaster. Even when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, all you have to do is post a few pics of yourself naked and half the sheep forget what we were even discussing in the first place. :thumbsup

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mailman
There it is.. thank you! :)

People always seem to over look that fact with drama threads of WHO started it...

and PlatinumPimp when I said "WE" I was not talking about you and me I was talking about MP and WE as a company.


huh ? what are you talking about ? ? didnt you start bashing here about this without contacting her on your own board ? ? how could the topic starter know of this if you hadn't posted it on the boards ?? ?


:2 cents:

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
It must be nice to be a female webmaster. Even when you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, all you have to do is post a few pics of yourself naked and half the sheep forget what we were even discussing in the first place. :thumbsup


idiot, what are you talking about ? you are a waste of space

TheFrog 12-12-2004 04:53 AM

:(

Jace 12-12-2004 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFrog
:(
wow, glad you quoted all the images, instead of just one

coolfuck 12-12-2004 05:20 AM

lol..
nice topic

Fatalspeed 12-12-2004 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
wow, glad you quoted all the images, instead of just one
I bet he did not even read the thread :helpme

LadyMischief 12-12-2004 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HKS
Looks like public domain content to me! Content is free whoever pays for content is a moron unless it's exclusive! :2 cents:
MP's content IS exclusive, you twit. They shoot pretty much all their own, and what they don't shoot is exclusive. Remove head from ass. Smash head into wall. Reinsert head in ass.

LadyMischief 12-12-2004 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
Hey Tia,
Not sure how I could be acting like a kid as you stated, because I made one post in this thread that basically explained everything and I didn't see a need to post anything further.

I had active links to MP in all the galleries they provided to me and I have now pulled them down , so end of story on that. ( notice the red x's on their screen caps...those were active links )

As for the page I had on my site that showed small thumbnails of numerous "girlfriends" that I featured in the members area to give them an idea of who was inside, it honestly never ocurred to me that it was considered "stealing" . I had always had that page, since back in 2002 and I'm sure I got the idea from other sites that were doing the same, many of which used my own image and name and I never thought twice about it because I knew they were promoting me in their members area.

So many single model sites use thumbnails on their update pages , etc. to show when they add a new girlfriend feature ( girlfriend gallery exchanges,etc.) and until this thread I never thought anything about it.

I have pulled that page down, because I do understand the point that was made on that.

I don't see any need to stay here and dwell on this issue and reply to every accusation or hate post ? If that makes me childish, then I guess I'm childish.

I stand behind my statement that if there was an issue, I should have been contacted via email or ICQ and it would have been handled promptly. I understand bringing drama to the boards as a last result , etc. and this was not the case.

OH, and lastly, thanks MP for the joins :-

Ivy

Can I use YOUR content in a tour for my site?

LadyMischief 12-12-2004 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
It's not special treatment... it's common courtesy and more than that, because I actually was an affiliate it is professional courtesy. Instead of a quick email or ICQ to say hey, you can't use those thumbnails on your site or whatever, you come to the board with "Is PrivateIvy Stealing Your Content? "

Ivy

He had nothign to do with the thread... Someone else not even associated with mp (other than posting on their board) did. How does that make it them?

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Can I use YOUR content in a tour for my site?

did you actually read the post you quoted ? ? she clearly states that other people have been doing this to her content for years for promoting her and she is ok with that


hating bandwagon bitch

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
He had nothign to do with the thread... Someone else not even associated with mp (other than posting on their board) did. How does that make it them?

what are you talking about ? ? he was in this thread like right away , and posted a link to the thread HE started about this on his own board that PI doens't read


he started the drama by posting it on his own board without asking PI for some explanation first


if he didn't start that topic how would the topic starter here have known ? ?


face it ladybitch you are just hating here!

Jace 12-12-2004 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
MP's content IS exclusive, you twit. They shoot pretty much all their own, and what they don't shoot is exclusive. Remove head from ass. Smash head into wall. Reinsert head in ass.
HKS is a troll, just ignore him

LadyMischief 12-12-2004 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fake Nick
did you actually read the post you quoted ? ? she clearly states that other people have been doing this to her content for years for promoting her and she is ok with that


hating bandwagon bitch

Well she is NOT usual in that, then. But I shoot content, and I tell you if this were my situation, a c and d would be issued, or prosecution would start, and the penalties for copyright infringement of this type start at $100,000 per image per use. I'm pretty sure if she simply would have asked someone at MP if she could use the content, it never would have been an issue. I'm not hating on Ivy personally, but she DID make a mistake, one that could have potentially seen her facing a court date. Better to have it done with and over here than in a courtroom, no?

Call me a hating bitch if you want, I call it like I see it. :) If I was HATING on Ivy though, one would think I could at least insult her once or twice.

LadyMischief 12-12-2004 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fake Nick
what are you talking about ? ? he was in this thread like right away , and posted a link to the thread HE started about this on his own board that PI doens't read


he started the drama by posting it on his own board without asking PI for some explanation first


if he didn't start that topic how would the topic starter here have known ? ?


face it ladybitch you are just hating here!

What are you talking about? RICTOR started this thread, RICTOR posted the link. He has no association with MP whatsoever except he posts on their board now and then. Get a clue?

FrankHolland 12-12-2004 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JaceXXX
HKS is a troll, just ignore him
he's the kid with the mom who got called by several gfy members right :1orglaugh

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
What are you talking about? RICTOR started this thread, RICTOR posted the link. He has no association with MP whatsoever except he posts on their board now and then. Get a clue?

and where did RICTOR get his info from ? ? ? and who was here like right away with a handy link to a thread HE started on HIS OWN BOARD ?? ?



huh ??

MickeyG 12-12-2004 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by TheEbonyFelony
http://www.netalbum.gr/data/media/52/horse_woman.JPG
Right on :thumbsup :1orglaugh

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 06:47 AM

7 th reply in this thread someone from MP comes with a link to their board bur quickly realises someone outsmarted them and edits the post

now tell me how they are neutral ?


yeah they did NOT ask Rictor to post that here

LadyMischief 12-12-2004 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fake Nick
and where did RICTOR get his info from ? ? ? and who was here like right away with a handy link to a thread HE started on HIS OWN BOARD ?? ?



huh ??

Pretty obvious that Ivy reads the board because she posted in the thread. However, I do believe if you notice at first, no site names were mentioned etc. I don't see anywhere in the initial posts at all.. Seems to me there was a fair bit of miscommunication, a lot of which could have been simply avoided by her asking permission to use the content. Chances are that she didn't realize people would have the issue they are because SHE doesn't, but her business model doesn't work for everyone. Chances are it was a complete oversight on her behalf, but I also believe that a program that spends tens of thousands of dollars on exclusive content should have the right to defend that, especially in the best interests of their other webmasters. Hopefully all parties can meet somewhere in the middle.

As I said before though, it could just as easily have ended up as litigation. It didn't, so chances are people can still make good by proferring apologies? If that's hating, cuff me :P

Fake Nick 12-12-2004 06:54 AM

you changed your tone now ,

your first posts were 100% hating


MP should have contacted PI instead of taking it to the boards


they took it to the boards no one else

they took it to this board and no one else

asking a middle man to post it here makes you just as 'guilty'


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