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J$tyle$ 12-09-2004 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlexShark
I am selling this script that makes banners like this:


for 100$.
Text, Background color, fonts and fonts colors, banner size are configurable.

Requirements: php, mysql, gdlibraries

I have the country database but you can purchase an additional city database here


If you need custom programming / configuration on it let's talk
194649005

With respect to your efforts to drum up business in my thread, NOT COOL!

Oour geo ad and graphic generating system has been in development for 2 years, and actively used in the real world for the past 8 months.

Our system is a patent pending windows client / unix server combination that allows a graphic designer with zero programming skills to work creatively and intuitively.

Editing configuration files and setting font locations pixel by pixel is just NOT the same thing .

Plus you renamed your PNG file from last night to a gif.

LOL

Ours can use ANY source image. Not blank and cheesy looking

... and for the record - changing a bg color is NOT the same as a pic of a hot chick
:winkwink:

Crypt 12-09-2004 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J$tyle$
IMHO selling sex sites is selling FANTASY ...

All these reality sites popping up all over the place in the past couple years are just that ... FANTASY ...

Most of the he girls names are FAKE ...

Their AGES are MOSTLY MADE UP ...

Tons of webmasters fly ads for sites saying 18 - 19 year old girls when the models are 25 years old ...

WE'RE SELLING FANTASY PURE AND SIMPLE!

I'm leaning toards the fact that GEO-IP Marketing catches the eye and increases click thrus therefore making you efforts and more effective and profitable.

:2 cents:

http://1akdtg041034lfr1sweja015069s....es/jstyles.jpg

you get some errors with the city , your script cant convert other language accent

I see a big sqare instead of a city.

49thParallel 12-09-2004 03:43 PM

I'm not a big fan of geoads for dating sites.

Using these for a reality type site is one thing...the reality site is not selling the potential of meeting the girl.

On dating sites the girl is the "product" that is being sold. Therefore, to show a picture of a girl that doesn't live in the area is false advertising.

This would be the same as a store that only sells Sony & JVC t.v's placing ads that say "Get your Harmon Kardon T.V. here", when they don't sell the brand.

J$tyle$ 12-09-2004 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
you get some errors with the city , your script cant convert other language accent

I see a big sqare instead of a city.

the db is english and not full unicode. there is not a full unicode db out there at this point. we are working on the very FIRST full unicode db of this type right now.

Soon!

But agian - 70 -80% accurate is better than MOST!

:thumbsup

Btw - thanks for bringing that up. I meant to address it in a previous post
:)

FightThisPatent 12-09-2004 03:55 PM

Besides the Simpsons already inventing Geo-IP, Digital Envoy as their patent on it:

AVn article: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=107182

PR about their patent: http://www.crossbowventures.com/news...icle_116.shtml

and lastly, the actual patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,757,740


It was approved On June 29,2004, but filed IN march 31, 2000.

In order to invalidate the patent, you would have to be able to document use of geo-ip BEFORE March 31, 1999.

If you were using geo-ip between Match 31, 1999 and March 31, 2000, then you could be safe from this patent as a "prior inventor", but not "prior art".



Fight the Crap, Someone already patented it!

Crypt 12-09-2004 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J$tyle$
the db is english and not full unicode. there is not a full unicode db out there at this point. we are working on the very FIRST full unicode db of this type right now.

Soon!

But agian - 70 -80% accurate is better than MOST!

:thumbsup

Btw - thanks for bringing that up. I meant to address it in a previous post
:)

np, it was just a comment ;) i see the same error everywhere hehe

Nice if you can solve this ;)

gdog 12-09-2004 04:19 PM

Anybody tried the software these guys are offering for this

http://www.maxmind.com/app/geolocati...ing?rId=google

It looks like they are taking it to the next level and actually changing the ad depending on the country/region etc to match the user.

So a user in china would see an ad in chinese not "these hot girls are in Beijing" the whole ad would be different.

That to me is way more effective actually physically changing the contents of the page to match the surfers country.

This was the summary:
By being aware of users from different nationalities who speak different languages, and using the techniques outlined in this article, you can create truly global applications with minimum effort.

G

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 12-09-2004 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Besides the Simpsons already inventing Geo-IP, Digital Envoy as their patent on it:

AVn article: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=107182

PR about their patent: http://www.crossbowventures.com/news...icle_116.shtml

and lastly, the actual patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,757,740


It was approved On June 29,2004, but filed IN march 31, 2000.

In order to invalidate the patent, you would have to be able to document use of geo-ip BEFORE March 31, 1999.

If you were using geo-ip between Match 31, 1999 and March 31, 2000, then you could be safe from this patent as a "prior inventor", but not "prior art".



Fight the Crap, Someone already patented it!

:glugglug
I thought the same shit. This technolgy was patented a long ass time ago. Only Savey webmasters utilised it (like myself) and never told a fuck all to anyone about its effectiveness.

Oh well another cat another bag...

J$tyle$ 12-09-2004 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Besides the Simpsons already inventing Geo-IP, Digital Envoy as their patent on it:

AVn article: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=107182

PR about their patent: http://www.crossbowventures.com/news...icle_116.shtml

and lastly, the actual patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,757,740


It was approved On June 29,2004, but filed IN march 31, 2000.

In order to invalidate the patent, you would have to be able to document use of geo-ip BEFORE March 31, 1999.

If you were using geo-ip between Match 31, 1999 and March 31, 2000, then you could be safe from this patent as a "prior inventor", but not "prior art".



Fight the Crap, Someone already patented it!

Intelligent post as usual. What you are showing as patented is the process for building the DATABASE that a program like ours would use.

This is a process patent just as ours is. We are in the process of patenting other unique aspects of our system.

Our patent does not in any way conflict with this patent.

Rest assured we conducted a very thorough patent search prior to filing and are in great shape in regards to both prior art and patentability.

:thumbsup

J$tyle$ 12-09-2004 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
Says Torrance for me . . . .guess it explains the earlier thread rrred had
the web's a wonderful place, right?

Talk about gum and thow in some Geo marketing

:Graucho

Bugbee 12-09-2004 05:50 PM

50

geo targeting is a very fucking powerful tool. Lets try and use it for conversions etc. and not deception people!!!

It has been around for a long time I was doing geo targeted streaming ad insertion campaigns in 1999, only to the county level at 70% accuracy and the city level at 80%.

Geo targeting is the shit...

EscortDate_Enoj 12-09-2004 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J$tyle$
Yeah, man - geo ad!

and it's a JPEG no less!

Not a slow iframe w/ textual html or a cheesy png file!

Once the programming is done, it can be shown in any format, in any type of image.

But what's wrong with the PNG format? Why are you referring to it as "cheesy"? First of all, it can do everything JPEG does today, it supports transparency to the fullest (although some web browser (IE) doesn't support it quite yet), and last, but far from least, it's an open format!

What's so cheesy about that??

hagbard 12-09-2004 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortDate_Enoj
Once the programming is done, it can be shown in any format, in any type of image.

But what's wrong with the PNG format? Why are you referring to it as "cheesy"? First of all, it can do everything JPEG does today, it supports transparency to the fullest (although some web browser (IE) doesn't support it quite yet), and last, but far from least, it's an open format!

What's so cheesy about that??

I know I hate PNG's. They do not display properly in IE (no alpha) the decoder can be buggy in its implementation. Most email clients have issues with them too. I use uncompressed png's when I need good alpha and thats about it. its been years now and they just arent catching on

J$tyle$ 12-09-2004 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortDate_Enoj
Once the programming is done, it can be shown in any format, in any type of image.

But what's wrong with the PNG format? Why are you referring to it as "cheesy"? First of all, it can do everything JPEG does today, it supports transparency to the fullest (although some web browser (IE) doesn't support it quite yet), and last, but far from least, it's an open format!

What's so cheesy about that??

It's certainly a matter of opinion. Sorry if I offended you :)

Can you make an ad that looks like this or better?

If so I'd like to see it and know how long it takes to design and program.

BTW - No programming is necessary with ours. :winkwink:

What our application does:

- It allows you to deliver dynamic images based on your surfer's geographical location. Imagine being able to target banners and ads to a surfer's city. You can grab your surfer's attention and increase click-thrus very easily with this technology.

- It's a desktop application that allows you to generate graphics and upload them in minutes, and it works in conjunction with server software that allows the process to work seamlessly together.

- It's a one-person process. No need for a graphic designer AND a programmer plus TIME for back and forth between the 2 just to get one ad up. What we have can be used quickly with MANY graphics or ads.

- It's made for designers - No programming needed! Just open the creative, customize your graphics, targeted ads or banners - and upload!

- It's lightning fast - from screen to server in seconds! Once you have created your customized ads or banners you can use them immediately in your campaigns!

- It's a turn-key solution - we install everything on your server. No need to setup complicated configurations, once installed its ready to use!

- It's got WYSIWYG creative management. What you see in the preview window is what your surfers will see.

- It's got a friendly, familiar interface - Familiar window-based environment that makes your work experience more enjoyable and efficient. Practically no training is required!

:thumbsup

AlexShark 12-09-2004 06:24 PM

Sorry how much is yoru application?

Jman 12-09-2004 07:52 PM

I have worked with international payment solution and geo ip software for a while now. Although never done it by city. My experience with geo ip targeting with browser language as always proved to increase the revenues of the company i was working with.

Hit me up when you have a minute bro d'like to chat to you bout something

J$tyle$ 12-09-2004 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlexShark
Sorry how much is yoru application?
Presently we're working exclusively with Afilliate Program owners and fortune 1000 companies in mainstream, Alex.

If you would like to talk privately, please ICQ me and we can discuss this at length.

:)

MikeHawk 12-09-2004 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J$tyle$
IMHO selling sex sites is selling FANTASY ...

All these reality sites popping up all over the place in the past couple years are just that ... FANTASY ...

Most of the he girls names are FAKE ...

Their AGES are MOSTLY MADE UP ...

Tons of webmasters fly ads for sites saying 18 - 19 year old girls when the models are 25 years old ...

WE'RE SELLING FANTASY PURE AND SIMPLE!

I'm leaning toards the fact that GEO-IP Marketing catches the eye and increases click thrus therefore making you efforts and more effective and profitable.

:2 cents:

http://1akdtg041034lfr1sweja015069s....es/jstyles.jpg

:thumbsup

media 12-09-2004 09:27 PM

I think geo marketing is a necessity now adays for alot of things, dialers, allowed and dissalowed states in the US, all sorts of shit..

Its a good technology that people should be using to their advantage..

Blue_Spade 12-09-2004 09:29 PM

J Steezzy . . . gonna have to agree with you on this one bro - the new wave of geo targetting is killer and is proving to be a money maker.

VIPimp 12-09-2004 09:30 PM

Pretty cool... definetly a great way to increase revenue.

King Adam 12-09-2004 09:49 PM

I think we can all agree that our business is a fast paced cut throat business. The government wants us gone, Acacia keeps busting our balls, who knows how long it will last or how easy will it be to maintain adult sites. When something is available, one must jump on it and take full advantage. Yes, its not totally honest, but neither or stage names, models real age, nationality, weight, and countless other details. This is just a way to get surfers to click their shit. You can either not support it, which is totally fine, or you can say fuck it, and do it and make some extra lute too. I would keep my eye on my cancels and chargebacks. Despending on your site, you might get slightly screwed.

Love ya Styles. May the force be with you ... always.

JulianSosa 12-09-2004 10:19 PM

Looks like a winner to me.

Cant wait to get this up to promote sexseearch its gonna kick ass

$pikes 12-09-2004 11:02 PM

Love it Styles!

How would you suggest your product applies to a company like ours?

Sneezy 12-09-2004 11:03 PM

Everybody seems to be jumping on Geo ads lately.

I figure that Geo tageting and browser language detection is simply a necessity if you have a mix of international traffic.
Not many US/CA based affilaite programs use the capabillity of it to it's full length in my opnion. The standard rule is still sending non-us traffic to a dialer version of the site (in English).
Not smart because If you target a european surfer or an asian one, you can also serve him the same site in his language and with the billing solution he is used to.

Geo targeting is a great tool to tie the continents together and tripple the transactional market we are operating in. Fully take advantage of this means that you have to know what the surfer is expecting on your site. To make him feel he is welcome so to speak.

The AFF geo ads for instance are great, but they would be really effective If we could show the Ad in his own language.

I'm Dutch myself and i know that the majority of Dutch surfers have no problem with a geo ad saying "Meet real people to f*k in Tietjerkstradeel. But a German or a Frenchman would rather see the ad in his own language.

So better start translating guys!

:2 cents:

Btw I like the creative ad very much J$tyle$ :thumbsup
Like to hear more about is.

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMan
I have worked with international payment solution and geo ip software for a while now. Although never done it by city. My experience with geo ip targeting with browser language as always proved to increase the revenues of the company i was working with.

Hit me up when you have a minute bro d'like to chat to you bout something

Agreed!

I will hit you up tomorrow for sure, Jman - it's been too long!

Steen2 12-10-2004 12:08 AM

I am not from Burnaby :(

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by King Adam
When something is available, one must jump on it and take full advantage. Yes, its not totally honest, but neither or stage names, models real age, nationality, weight, and countless other details. This is just a way to get surfers to click their shit. You can either not support it, which is totally fine, or you can say fuck it, and do it and make some extra lute too. I would keep my eye on my cancels and chargebacks. Despending on your site, you might get slightly screwed.

Love ya Styles. May the force be with you ... always.

Sounds a little conflicted, but I understand why you might feel so!

:)

King Adam 12-10-2004 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adamorgasm
one of the tests we ran did 98 profiles and 9 sales from a nongeotargeted ad that just said "find a fuck buddy in your area", the geotargeted version did 680 profiles and 39 sales

http://timepilot.sexsearch.com/200x400_sxsrch65.jpg

if you want to use ads like these just ask Marina & she'll hook you up

Those numbers are tight. I just signed up for SexSearch.com thanks to JStyles. Can't wait to see how it converts with my traffic.

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steen2
I am not from Burnaby :(
How far away are you from there?

Steen2 12-10-2004 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J$tyle$
How far away are you from there?
40 minutes?

SexSearch's got me right, or close enough.

"Surrey"

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by King Adam
Those numbers are tight. I just signed up for SexSearch.com thanks to JStyles. Can't wait to see how it converts with my traffic.
Good for you.

Awesome crew of people and a GREAT program!

:thumbsup

NaughtyINC 12-10-2004 12:15 AM

J$tyle$.. you know as some others know im anal about stats and demographics and targetting direct markets to the fullest extent.. anytime you can narrow your scope in what your product is that you wish to deliver you raise the % of sale possibility.

With geoip advertisements and code placed in sites you can develope a very unique personal experince for your customer and not treating them as sufer #123.. when done right the tool will increase your productivity and revenue while not pissing off the surfer.. i have seen many examples of it being used incorrectly but on the same hand some great people who use it perfectly..

at the end of the day you want to try and develope a unique experince that sets you aside from the merchant of a close product that your trying to sell.. if its porn, pills, dvd's or cars the second you treat your end consumer as a unique person then you establish a relationship indirectly...

Im all for geoip tools when used properly and not over done. jstyles hit me up 2morrow btw or call me :)

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steen2
40 minutes?

SexSearch's got me right, or close enough.

"Surrey"

Interesting!

We just updated our beta servers to see if we could attain a more accurate reading on IP's with a new database.

We'll be running tests for a few days before changing anything. We would never update globaly unless we are able to increase accuracy which still remains to be seen.

SexSearch is running with our LIVE database presently and doing a kickass job for thier webmasters!

:thumbsup

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JulianSosa
Looks like a winner to me.

Cant wait to get this up to promote sexseearch its gonna kick ass

:thumbsup



Quote:

Originally posted by $pikes
Love it Styles!

How would you suggest your product applies to a company like ours?

Well, I'm glad you asked $pikes. I'll have something "special" for you tomorrow to show you exactly how!

:Graucho

Steen2 12-10-2004 12:33 AM

Geo-IP is great technology though :)

A bit old (but great), surprised so many are announcing it just now.

J$tyle$ 12-10-2004 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sneezy
Everybody seems to be jumping on Geo ads lately.

I figure that Geo tageting and browser language detection is simply a necessity if you have a mix of international traffic.
Not many US/CA based affilaite programs use the capabillity of it to it's full length in my opnion. The standard rule is still sending non-us traffic to a dialer version of the site (in English).
Not smart because If you target a european surfer or an asian one, you can also serve him the same site in his language and with the billing solution he is used to.

Geo targeting is a great tool to tie the continents together and tripple the transactional market we are operating in. Fully take advantage of this means that you have to know what the surfer is expecting on your site. To make him feel he is welcome so to speak.

The AFF geo ads for instance are great, but they would be really effective If we could show the Ad in his own language.

I'm Dutch myself and i know that the majority of Dutch surfers have no problem with a geo ad saying "Meet real people to f*k in Tietjerkstradeel. But a German or a Frenchman would rather see the ad in his own language.

So better start translating guys!

:2 cents:

Btw I like the creative ad very much J$tyle$ :thumbsup
Like to hear more about is.

Very wise and good post. I like the way you think! You seem very well informed!

Hit me up on ICQ and we can talk more privately!

:)

baddog 12-10-2004 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
I'm not a big fan of geoads for dating sites.

wow, I can't think of a better use, unless I owned a chain of pizza places

baddog 12-10-2004 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Besides the Simpsons already inventing Geo-IP, Digital Envoy as their patent on it:

AVn article: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=107182

PR about their patent: http://www.crossbowventures.com/news...icle_116.shtml

and lastly, the actual patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/6,757,740


It was approved On June 29,2004, but filed IN march 31, 2000.

In order to invalidate the patent, you would have to be able to document use of geo-ip BEFORE March 31, 1999.

If you were using geo-ip between Match 31, 1999 and March 31, 2000, then you could be safe from this patent as a "prior inventor", but not "prior art".



Fight the Crap, Someone already patented it!

You always have this way of bringing . . . what is it . . . . oh, facts that always makes it interesting to read.

Fight the Entrance! which no one will get, but I think it is funny

baddog 12-10-2004 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
:glugglug
I thought the same shit. This technolgy was patented a long ass time ago. Only Savey webmasters utilised it (like myself) and never told a fuck all to anyone about its effectiveness.

Oh well another cat another bag...

No shit, I am talking to a guy on ICQ right now and just told him the same thing.


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