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Old 12-09-2004, 06:23 AM   #51
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My fav Pantera song was cemitery gates. RIP 4 lyfe Dimebag, I will never forget my first Pantera concert too with him blowing snot rockets on the crowd.
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Old 12-09-2004, 06:29 AM   #52
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Neither, because I like the fact that I have the freedom to own a gun if I so desire. That really is the only reason.
Crazy.

That has nothing to do freedom man. Heroin isnt legal so theyre restricting your freedom in your opinion?
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That has nothing to do freedom man. Heroin isnt legal so theyre restricting your freedom in your opinion?
No, owning heroin and using it has adverse affects on your body. Owning a gun and using it doesn't.
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No, owning heroin and using it has adverse affects on your body. Owning a gun and using it doesn't.
Tell that to Dimebag
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Tell that to Dimebag
Well, when you use a gun legally, it has no negative effects. The Second Amendment is for people who use guns legally.
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Dave Mustain from MegaDeth cant even play guitar anymore because of herioin.
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Dave Mustain from MegaDeth cant even play guitar anymore because of herioin.
Dave Mustaine can play as good as ever. In fact, he injured his hand in an accident a couple years ago, and doctors told him he would never be able to play again. But Megadeth is touring as I write this.

Not only that, watch or listen to "Rude Awakening", their latest live album, and if you don't think that they kick more ass than they ever have, something ain't right.
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RIP Dimebag..... I have been into Pantera since the early days when NO ONE knew them..........

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Well, when you use a gun legally, it has no negative effects. The Second Amendment is for people who use guns legally.
We all know better what happens when everybody is allowed to buy a gun right?

You the one who started this thread. And its just one of MANY incidents with guns.

How come we never have these kind of stories in Holland.

Wait, i know why.
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Will be nice to hear who the dumb fuck was that shot them. What a rotten way to go.
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We all know better what happens when everybody is allowed to buy a gun right?

You the one who started this thread. And its just one of MANY incidents with guns.

How come we never have these kind of stories in Holland.

Wait, i know why.
Yeah, in Holland you have other types of crimes, more "hands on." You just made a post in relation to one last night, with all the Morocco type shit going on. Are you saying that becuase individual gun ownership is not legal in Holland that you're invincible from this type of thing?
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Land of the free, where anybody can buy a gun.
With or without it being legal to own a gun, the guy who wanted to kill Darrel would have done it one way or another. And instead of using a legal gun, he'd probably use an illegal one (which he probably did anyhow).

I don't own a gun. I think it's dangerous. Perhaps in a moment of immense emotion I would use it unwisely. So I choose not to buy one. But there is nothing particularily wrong with having one and being able to own one IMO.

Remember that kid in Germany who shot and killed somebody about a year or two ago? Guns are illegal in Germany yet somehow he got ahold of one.

I agree that the prevalence of gun violence will likely be higher in a society which allows you to own one. I guess that the price one has to be willing to pay to live in the closest thing to a free society as there can be.

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With or without it being legal to own a gun, the guy who wanted to kill Darrel would have done it one way or another. And instead of using a legal gun, he'd probably use an illegal one (which he probably did anyhow).

I don't own a gun. I think it's dangerous. Perhaps in a moment of immense emotion I would use it unwisely. So I choose not to buy one. But there is nothing particularily wrong with having one and being able to own one IMO.

Remember that kid in Germany who shot and killed somebody about a year or two ago? Guns are illegal in Germany yet somehow he got ahold of one.

I agree that the prevalence of gun violence will likely be higher in a society which allows you to own one. I guess that the price one has to be willing to pay to live in the closest thing to a free society as there can be.
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With or without it being legal to own a gun, the guy who wanted to kill Darrel would have done it one way or another. And instead of using a legal gun, he'd probably use an illegal one (which he probably did anyhow).

I don't own a gun. I think it's dangerous. Perhaps in a moment of immense emotion I would use it unwisely. So I choose not to buy one. But there is nothing particularily wrong with having one and being able to own one IMO.

Remember that kid in Germany who shot and killed somebody about a year or two ago? Guns are illegal in Germany yet somehow he got ahold of one.

I agree that the prevalence of gun violence will likely be higher in a society which allows you to own one. I guess that the price one has to be willing to pay to live in the closest thing to a free society as there can be.
Everybody can get a gun if he really wants on, no matter what country.

Fact is in the US you can buy one on every corner any time of the day.

Do i have to explain the difference this will make?
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Fact is in the US you can buy one on every corner any time of the day.
I don't know what cities you visit when you come here, but I've never seen that. I think you need to check your facts before you start making false claims like that. To legally obtain a gun you have to wait at least 3 days for a background check, get fingerprinted, file a bunch of paperwork, make several trips back and forth from the police station to the gun store, and even the slightest blemish on your record will keep you from owning a gun.
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Yeah, in Holland you have other types of crimes, more "hands on." You just made a post in relation to one last night, with all the Morocco type shit going on. Are you saying that becuase individual gun ownership is not legal in Holland that you're invincible from this type of thing?
Was waiting for that, the typical response pro gun people always have. Next will be the idiot who will say cars kill as well.

Please man, i know you know better.

Its so much easier for a guy to walk into a room and kill 5 people with a gun than the same guy with a knife in his hand. He most likely wouldve stabbed 1 person before being knocked to the ground.

Guns kill way more easier and quicker than any other weapon. I dont think i have to explain that to you.

Very good chance that if it wasnt as easy to get a gun in the US as it now you didnt had to make this topic. This kid wouldve stayed at home and didnt kill 5 people.

This guy died because guns are legal in the US, period.
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Damn I wish they were killed with a cellphone... then everyone would be talking about banning them. I am an avid sportsman, own over 30 guns, shoot and hunt often, and I just hate the fact that when some idiot uses a gun to kill someone, instantly the "lets ban guns" banter begins...


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I don't know what cities you visit when you come here, but I've never seen that. I think you need to check your facts before you start making false claims like that. To legally obtain a gun you have to wait at least 3 days for a background check, get fingerprinted, file a bunch of paperwork, make several trips back and forth from the police station to the gun store, and even the slightest blemish on your record will keep you from owning a gun.
Wow, you have to wait a full 3 days and fill in some paperwork.

Damn.

Yes that will scare people away.

Nigga please.
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Damn I wish they were killed with a cellphone... then everyone would be talking about banning them. I am an avid sportsman, own over 30 guns, shoot and hunt often, and I just hate the fact that when some idiot uses a gun to kill someone, instantly the "lets ban guns" banter begins...


Lets ban idiots!!! should be the talk of the day !!


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He was shot with a gun.
Not with a cellphone because it isnt very easy to kill someone with a cellphone. What part dont you understand.
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Every time some lunatic starts shooting random people in the US the pro gun idiots blame everybody and everything but the gun.

Once again, how come we dont have these kind of incidents in Holland?
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Was waiting for that, the typical response pro gun people always have. Next will be the idiot who will say cars kill as well.

Please man, i know you know better.

Its so much easier for a guy to walk into a room and kill 5 people with a gun than the same guy with a knife in his hand. He most likely wouldve stabbed 1 person before being knocked to the ground.

Guns kill way more easier and quicker than any other weapon. I dont think i have to explain that to you.

Very good chance that if it wasnt as easy to get a gun in the US as it now you didnt had to make this topic. This kid wouldve stayed at home and didnt kill 5 people.

This guy died because guns are legal in the US, period.
Well, now you're veering off topic. Originally you talked about gun ownership, and how being able to own a gun is the reason people are murdered. Now you twist it around and say that it's easier to kill a room full of people with a gun. Yes, of course it is, but that isn't what this debate was about. You're losing more and more credibility on this topic with every post man.
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Thats a fucked up way to die.

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fucked up shit

they need better screening of people at the door to venues.

i went to a lars and the bastards show and this kid next to me got stabbed in the face.

crazy shit happens
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Well, now you're veering off topic. Originally you talked about gun ownership, and how being able to own a gun is the reason people are murdered. Now you twist it around and say that it's easier to kill a room full of people with a gun. Yes, of course it is, but that isn't what this debate was about. You're losing more and more credibility on this topic with every post man.
No i dont, and you know it, even when i change subject, which i didnt really, im still right.

Point me one thing out i said which isnt true.
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No i dont, and you know it, even when i change subject, which i didnt really, im still right.

Point me one thing out i said which isnt true.
How about this one?

Quote:
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Fact is in the US you can buy one on every corner any time of the day.
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He was shot with a gun.
Not with a cellphone because it isnt very easy to kill someone with a cellphone. What part dont you understand.

I dont understand how small minded people can try to condem or diminish the rights of a society because of the acts of very few...
Here in "The Land of The Free" we know that one of our rights as a citizen of this proud country is

"The Right to Keep And Bare Arms"


with your logic...

we would have to ban

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Diesel Fuel (Timothy Mcvay)

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Those hell bent on killing will kill... whether it be by gun, knife, bomb, swizzlestick, car, truck, airplane or whatever...


Once again, I wish to express the sentiment or topic this thread should be focused on....


RIP Dimebag and Vinnie Paul


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I dont understand how small minded people can try to condem or diminish the rights of a society because of the acts of very few...
Here in "The Land of The Free" we know that one of our rights as a citizen of this proud country is

"The Right to Keep And Bare Arms"


with your logic...

we would have to ban

Vans
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Diesel Fuel (Timothy Mcvay)

Jets
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Those hell bent on killing will kill... whether it be by gun, knife, bomb, swizzlestick, car, truck, airplane or whatever...


Once again, I wish to express the sentiment or topic this thread should be focused on....


RIP Dimebag and Vinnie Paul


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Fuck man, very VERY well said.
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Fuck man, very VERY well said.
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It's 5am here, I am going to sleep. Blast some fucking Pantera all day.
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How about this one?



Hahah that the only thing you can come up with hehehe.

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I dont understand how small minded people can try to condem or diminish the rights of a society because of the acts of very few...
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with your logic...

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Yup, was waiting for this, didnt you see my post where i said "waiting for the idiot who will post that cars kill as well"

Well you didnt use the word cars but its the same thing.

Let me explain it to you.

What are guns good for? Do they server on purpose?

I dont think i have explain the purpose of cars, vans fertilizer diesel Fuel, razors, etc.

That are products we cant live without. Guns we can live without, at least when it comes to personal use.

Damn, i cant believe im telling you this because i really think you already knew this.
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Old 12-09-2004, 08:03 AM   #92
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Old 12-09-2004, 08:16 AM   #93
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The police will be having a press conference in about 45 minutes where it's said more info will be released. Fox News said they'll carry it when it happens.
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Old 12-09-2004, 08:17 AM   #94
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Will be nice to hear who the dumb fuck was that shot them. What a rotten way to go.


Here you go:
Nathan Gale, (937) 642-9120, 111 1/2 E 5th St, Marysville, OH 43040

Obviously he won't be home.

Also Bobzilla died not Vinnie
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Old 12-09-2004, 08:24 AM   #95
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Yup, was waiting for this, didnt you see my post where i said "waiting for the idiot who will post that cars kill as well"

Well you didnt use the word cars but its the same thing.

Let me explain it to you.

What are guns good for? Do they server on purpose?

I dont think i have explain the purpose of cars, vans fertilizer diesel Fuel, razors, etc.

That are products we cant live without. Guns we can live without, at least when it comes to personal use.

Damn, i cant believe im telling you this because i really think you already knew this.

Battuss,
you obviously dont dig guns .. and that is your right
and you live in a place where guns are illegal.. and that is your right...


My interests and rights are different.

I enjoy my weapons for recreation shooting.
I shoot pistols, and shotguns competitively.

I also hunt with my guns.
I avidly hunt quail, deer, dove, duck, pheasant, elk and javelina (wild piglike animals).
We eat everything we hunt and my family has a long tradition of hunting and cooking wild game. Its a traditional part of my heritage that I am very proud of... its part of who I am who we are...and I have shared this tradition, activity and right with my boys who are now young men and they too hold the high value as I do of the game and the land which/where we hunt.

We dont kill anything we dont eat. We were taught "rules" of this sport and we respect them partly because we dont want to lose our right and because our set of morals we live by will not allow us to...

Battuss, I say again, you have your right to your opinion...

I too have my rights... and those rights include the right to keep and bare arms... and that my friend is a right I will fight for.

I plan on owning my guns until I pass, and my guns are one of the first things distributed in my living trust.


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Old 12-09-2004, 08:30 AM   #96
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Sad SAD news.
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Battuss,
you obviously dont dig guns .. and that is your right
and you live in a place where guns are illegal.. and that is your right...


My interests and rights are different.

I enjoy my weapons for recreation shooting.
I shoot pistols, and shotguns competitively.

I also hunt with my guns.
I avidly hunt quail, deer, dove, duck, pheasant, elk and javelina (wild piglike animals).
We eat everything we hunt and my family has a long tradition of hunting and cooking wild game. Its a traditional part of my heritage that I am very proud of... its part of who I am who we are...and I have shared this tradition, activity and right with my boys who are now young men and they too hold the high value as I do of the game and the land which/where we hunt.

We dont kill anything we dont eat. We were taught "rules" of this sport and we respect them partly because we dont want to lose our right and because our set of morals we live by will not allow us to...

Battuss, I say again, you have your right to your opinion...

I too have my rights... and those rights include the right to keep and bare arms... and that my friend is a right I will fight for.

I plan on owning my guns until I pass, and my guns are one of the first things distributed in my living trust.


Big B
Shooting your own food is all good in my book, killing animals for fun isnt, but thats another topic. Anyway, using guns to hunt is totally acceptable, i have no problems with that but we both know it goes further than that. The majority of people dont buy guns for hunting and thats my problem, thats what im talking about.
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Old 12-09-2004, 08:50 AM   #98
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Shooting your own food is all good in my book, killing animals for fun isnt, but thats another topic. Anyway, using guns to hunt is totally acceptable, i have no problems with that but we both know it goes further than that. The majority of people dont buy guns for hunting and thats my problem, thats what im talking about.
The majority that do buy guns do so for hunt or sport. Very few criminals go to gun shop.. offer id.. have his records checked... wait the 14 days waiting period to get the gun from dealer (in Cali) and then go do the crime...

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