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seer · 12-08-2004, 01:09 AM

looks good guys good luck

Doctor Dre · 12-08-2004, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by garry
Let me first say that the period this feature where in the mpa2 program was very short. We did take it out pretty fast when we saw that it caused of fuz. Of all the programs we have sold only one company I know of have ever used it. And they are no longer with us now. So I think you are giving us credit for to much here now.
Having been around since 1996 I would say that shaving was a much bigger issue in the past then what it is now. But that is just my two cents.

But you are raising another great point there ! Certification system. If you know of a good way of doing this please let me know. I will be their first customer!

Or if anyone else have some good ideas on how to win back the trust of everyone please let me know.

Im open for all suggestion !

If you acted like a grown up, admitted your mistakes instead of blaming them on everybody else, put a encryption feature in mpa3 and make sure that everybody don't shave, you would have trust gained back .

But you didn't .
You blamed everybody else, even affiliates.

If affiliates don't want mpa3, paysites owners won't use it . And right now you are making me hate it even more ... (lots of other guys too).

I got no doubt that your script is good.

Your attitude and ethics lacks.

Doctor Dre · 12-08-2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox
you guys who are knocking MPA are newbs. that's the only excuse for you...

any program paying out more than $25 PPS, ***IS SHAVING YOU***.... this is fact, and my resume certifies this so STFU if you say anything otherwise.

Actually it's more about the attitude /ethics they have toward things then the script itself .

mpa2 was a pretty damn good improvement .

Doctor Dre · 12-08-2004, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by garry
Now here is a thought.

What could we at Mansion do so that you the webmaster would feel absolutely 100% certain that anyone who uses the mpa3 program have no shaving opportunities what so ever ?

We have added the clickthrouth, but I am willing to go even further. Just let me know what you would like. I am open for all suggestions!

Now this is a challenge to you guys. You have the opportunity to make a win win situation here.

PRIZE: $1 000 to the person that come up with the best suggestion.

RULES:
#1. It must be accepted by the webmaster community.
#2. It must be possible to do.

So now you have the chance. Im open for all suggestion

1st : Make lensman close this thread
2nd : Start a thread, saying you apologize ... and don't try to take anything away from what you guys did, writing a shave feature.

It dosen't matter if 1 or 1000 webmasters used it, it was still there .
3rd : Make EVERYTHING you can to stop shaving in the next features. .. you are the programmers, think about it .

You guys had kickass ideas . you just went too far with the shave script ...

and acting the way you did toward it (not taking the responsability for your action), won't make people trust you

Far-L · 12-08-2004, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by Lensman
Let's not forget who put NATS on the map.

Hint: see sig (shave-free)

Do you have an ownership interest in the company or in absence of that make any sort of income from promoting it?

Doctor Dre · 12-08-2004, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by Far-L
Do you have an ownership interest in the company or in absence of that make any sort of income from promoting it?

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by Far-L
Do you have an ownership interest in the company or in absence of that make any sort of income from promoting it?

No, he does not. Also, he gets no money from us for promoting us. The only way he sees income from promoting NATS is that he uses it himself on RealityCash.

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox
you guys who are knocking MPA are newbs. that's the only excuse for you...

any program paying out more than $25 PPS, ***IS SHAVING YOU***.... this is fact, and my resume certifies this so STFU if you say anything otherwise.

Sorry, that is actually not correct. Just because you do not understand how to make money off of traffic does not mean everyone that does has to shave.

There are many ways to make enough money to pay $30 per trial signup.

Doctor Dre · 12-08-2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Sorry, that is actually not correct. Just because you do not understand how to make money off of traffic does not mean everyone that does has to shave.

There are many ways to make enough money to pay $30 per trial signup.

Saying he dosen't understand how to make money from traffc is kinda wrong. He's pretty good at it :P

Far-L · 12-08-2004, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Sorry, that is actually not correct. Just because you do not understand how to make money off of traffic does not mean everyone that does has to shave.

There are many ways to make enough money to pay $30 per trial signup.

Just to set the record straight... Kman certainly does know a thing or two about turning traffic into cash... and I am sure you are familiar with what people do to get those numbers to be able to pay high PPS; who can forget those using overly aggressive upsells which bring out the FTC for things like pre-checked sales to other sites?

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by Far-L
Just to set the record straight... Kman certainly does know a thing or two about turning traffic into cash... and I am sure you are familiar with what people do to get those numbers to be able to pay high PPS; who can forget those using overly aggressive upsells which bring out the FTC for things like pre-checked sales to other sites?

Yes, I know Kman knows a thing or two about traffic. And he still claims more than $25 is impossible without shaving. Weird when I see it happen every day.

And there are ways to do so without overly aggressive cross sells. And it does not involve shaving.

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Saying he dosen't understand how to make money from traffc is kinda wrong. He's pretty good at it :P

Yes, I know that. Imagine how much he could make if he knew even more...

$30 per signup IS possible if you know how to maximize per-member profits. Thats all I am saying.

Doctor Dre · 12-08-2004, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Yes, I know that. Imagine how much he could make if he knew even more...

$30 per signup IS possible if you know how to maximize per-member profits. Thats all I am saying.

Maybe, but a lot of people do a lot of things that hurt the industry a lot to get that 5-10 $ more a signupi

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Maybe, but a lot of people do a lot of things that hurt the industry a lot to get that 5-10 $ more a signupi

I'm sure they do, but they are not using NATS.

kmanrox · 12-08-2004, 02:11 AM

at least you picked a good place to find yourself some sheep. you get credit for that.

SomeCreep · 12-08-2004, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by garry

When it comes to the opportunity to shave or not - Why in gods name blame the company that wrote that in to the script. It is YOU the webmasters that have created the need for having such a thing! You are the ones that are always sending your traffic to the company that offers the most per signups. And the only way to pay anyone $100 per signups is to be able to adjust the stats.

What a horrible thing to say. You are acknowledging that sponsors using MPA2/MPA3 are shaving their affiliates. Do you realize you just discouraged every webmaster with half a brain cell from promoting sponsors using MPA2/MPA3 software? Do you think your clients appreciate that?

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Originally posted by garry

Now we have learned our lesson and have corrected our self.

Yes we did a bad choice when we gave after for adding the module and for that we are sorry, but we have learned and we have paid our price.

What does this statement mean, that you have removed the shave feature in MPA3?

Well if not, I recommend you seriously consider removing it. Else, you will not be able to compete with NATS.

bigdog · 12-08-2004, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by kmanrox
you guys who are knocking MPA are newbs. that's the only excuse for you...

any program paying out more than $25 PPS, ***IS SHAVING YOU***.... this is fact, and my resume certifies this so STFU if you say anything otherwise.

so even lens paying $35 a trial through nats is shaving?

Far-L · 12-08-2004, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Nathan
Yes, I know Kman knows a thing or two about traffic. And he still claims more than $25 is impossible without shaving. Weird when I see it happen every day.

And there are ways to do so without overly aggressive cross sells. And it does not involve shaving.

I am not going to disagree with you. In fact, I agree but...

I also happen to know some hookers that have hearts of gold.

Regardless, I have learned these lessons the hard way. We won an injunction, a nearly impossible remedy to obtain, against a so-called trustworthy program that was using our tour to direct signups to their own competing site.

My point is that I don't care who uses NATS or how fraud free it was built. I just know that using NATS, or MPA2 or 3 does not make a company honest or dishonest. There are many ways to commit fraud in spite of any of that.

I have no reason to say NATS is or is not a great product. I will take it on faith that it is. After our tribulations, I just don't have the same confidence in human nature. Unfortunately.

hagbard · 12-08-2004, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by garry
The last 6 months I have seen crasy things on this board. Just the last day it has been two very long post about mpa3 and nats. This is my reply to this.

Now this is getting ridiculous. I have (blahblahblahblah)

Shut up jackass. I've dealt with you and oyster cracker enough to know that when compared to the nats folks you're a drop of piss in a shitbucket. I send my clients to NATS every time instead of you. in fact I think I just talked ANOTHER one of your customers into NATS.

Far-L · 12-08-2004, 02:48 AM

Any time someone starts pointing any sort of blame then they better be ready for someone else to say "he who smelt it dealt it".

And one last useless opinion dished up by me before heading out...

If you have a great product then just focus on selling that and not selling someone else's problems. The success from it will ultimately be much sweeter without all the bitterness.

D-Money · 12-08-2004, 03:31 AM

Oystein is a good friend and I can say he's a real person who tries his best and is a real stand up guy.

Once upon a time, they created a feature that most people didn't have the balls to admit was happening, they at least came out with it as a feature, open about it.

The industry wanted it and the industry had it as an option, beware buyer, or in this case, affiliate. Some people might actually be able to make higher payouts because they can simply convert traffic to the max, while others use short cuts and shave. But not everyone using the MPA2 program shaved, that's not a fair assumption. Some people shave because their conversion ratios are that much better then the rest of the industry, so you'd never really notice the shave and the payouts are still great. Shaving still exists even if you are making more money then with a different program.

Today's webmaster needs to compete and sell to others that they don't shave. And it's the right way to do business. Always has been.

I don't fault the programmers as much as the demand to have that feaure dictated by the webmasters asking for it. MPA2 is not the fall guy for a feature that an industry asked for, though the majority never knew or wanted this to happen. The people using the program are the minority doing the majority of the revenues being made.

I respect when someone says we've listened to your requests and you're right, we'll take that feature out. The industry spoke up and things changed because the majority can speak on boards and at shows.

This isn't an issue about taking sides, at this point is a charactor issue about some old school credible veterans of this industry and industry leaders that paved the way for others.

I love Mansion Productions, Garry is also a very cool too. And I love NATS, they also have a great service. NATS has always lived up to their word with me and I enjoy working with them too. They have an incredible program just like the MPA3 is an incredible program.

I enjoy eating at McDonalds or Burger King. Both are good. Though I'm on a diet and both are bad at the moment, bad comparision.

I hope that the dust settles real soon and people don't get caught up in the bullshit.

They can both be good. Epoch and CCBill are both good, it's been done.

Can we call this war officially over now?

All in favor say I.

Nathan · 12-08-2004, 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by Far-L
I am not going to disagree with you. In fact, I agree but...

I also happen to know some hookers that have hearts of gold.

Regardless, I have learned these lessons the hard way. We won an injunction, a nearly impossible remedy to obtain, against a so-called trustworthy program that was using our tour to direct signups to their own competing site.

My point is that I don't care who uses NATS or how fraud free it was built. I just know that using NATS, or MPA2 or 3 does not make a company honest or dishonest. There are many ways to commit fraud in spite of any of that.

I have no reason to say NATS is or is not a great product. I will take it on faith that it is. After our tribulations, I just don't have the same confidence in human nature. Unfortunately.

I know where you are coming from, and fully understand your points. The only thing we keep saying regarding shaving is that if anyone figures out a way to shave while using NATS and actually does it, we will do everything in our power to prevent it from continueing. That means revoking their license and sueing them.

There are WAAAY more reasons to go with NATS than this one though. We have many features that help our clients make more money easily. And we are adding more and more features every day.

Trax · 12-08-2004, 04:14 AM

what a fucked up post
fuck mpa3 and its company.

hagbard · 12-08-2004, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by D-Money
Oystein is a good friend and I can say he's a real person who tries his best and is a real stand up guy.

Once upon a time, they created a feature that most people didn't have the balls to admit was happening, they at least came out with it as a feature, open about it.

The industry wanted it and the industry had it as an option, beware buyer, or in this case, affiliate. Some people might actually be able to make higher payouts because they can simply convert traffic to the max, while others use short cuts and shave. But not everyone using the MPA2 program shaved, that's not a fair assumption. Some people shave because their conversion ratios are that much better then the rest of the industry, so you'd never really notice the shave and the payouts are still great. Shaving still exists even if you are making more money then with a different program.

Today's webmaster needs to compete and sell to others that they don't shave. And it's the right way to do business. Always has been.

I don't fault the programmers as much as the demand to have that feaure dictated by the webmasters asking for it. MPA2 is not the fall guy for a feature that an industry asked for, though the majority never knew or wanted this to happen. The people using the program are the minority doing the majority of the revenues being made.

I respect when someone says we've listened to your requests and you're right, we'll take that feature out. The industry spoke up and things changed because the majority can speak on boards and at shows.

This isn't an issue about taking sides, at this point is a charactor issue about some old school credible veterans of this industry and industry leaders that paved the way for others.

I love Mansion Productions, Garry is also a very cool too. And I love NATS, they also have a great service. NATS has always lived up to their word with me and I enjoy working with them too. They have an incredible program just like the MPA3 is an incredible program.

I enjoy eating at McDonalds or Burger King. Both are good. Though I'm on a diet and both are bad at the moment, bad comparision.

I hope that the dust settles real soon and people don't get caught up in the bullshit.

They can both be good. Epoch and CCBill are both good, it's been done.

Can we call this war officially over now?

All in favor say I.

D.

I like you. I like your dog. I like your freaky egyptian thing you have in your house but I think you're dead wrong here. I have dealt with these people as a developer, as a client and as a friend trying to refer his friends to a good company with a good product. on all three counts they failed miserably. I gave up on them months ago. You can only be lied to, delayed and dissed for so long.

garry · 12-08-2004, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by hagbard
D.

I like you. I like your dog. I like your freaky egyptian thing you have in your house but I think you're dead wrong here. I have dealt with these people as a developer, as a client and as a friend trying to refer his friends to a good company with a good product. on all three counts they failed miserably. I gave up on them months ago. You can only be lied to, delayed and dissed for so long.

What kind of a BS thing is this to say ? At least try to keep this real and dont lie !

hagbard · 12-08-2004, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by garry
What kind of a BS thing is this to say ? At least try to keep this real and dont lie !

How about we get on the phone tomorrow and I'll remind you who I am. Then you can come on here and apologize for calling me a liar. Better yet, how about right now? You ready for a call?

hagbard · 12-08-2004, 04:31 AM

Christmas hold music for a porn company? its kinda funny.

Lycanthrope · 12-08-2004, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by hagbard
Christmas hold music for a porn company? its kinda funny.

Tipsy · 12-08-2004, 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by garry
When it comes to the opportunity to shave or not - Why in gods name blame the company that wrote that in to the script. It is YOU the webmasters that have created the need for having such a thing! You are the ones that are always sending your traffic to the company that offers the most per signups. And the only way to pay anyone $100 per signups is to be able to adjust the stats.

I have nothing against your company or new script and believe nobody would be stupid enough to do that again so am happy enough to trust MPA3 but...

What a huge load of manky bollocks the above statement is. As was proven by those 'caught' we're NOT talking about $100 payouts here - we're talking about revshare too at reasonable payout amounts.

Webmasters haven't created shaving by wanting the highest payouts. Of course they want the highest possible. The fault lies solely at those companies that feel it's OK to steal and cheat to attract more custom. To say otherwise shows a total lack of undertsanding of even basic market economics, a complete lack of logic and very limited intelligence.

hagbard · 12-08-2004, 04:48 AM

Garry -

Just got off the phone with you. I feel as I always have that you're a reasonable business man. I still feel that oystein is a liability to the company and I still (at this point) would not have any business relationship with you nor recommend a business relationship with you to a client based on my previous expreiance with oystein and your company. I appreciate your rebuttals once you realized who I am and I know that you will address this as you see fit, I simply dont believe it will fix the problem at this point.

always remember the customer service rule. a satisfied customer will tell 3 people about his good experiance. a DISsatisfied customer will tell 10 about his bad experiance. (j.d. power 1993 study of customer satisfaction factors and related experiance based factors)

slavdogg · 12-08-2004, 05:07 AM

from an affiliates point of view
NATS stats and interface are MUCH better
i prefer programs that use NATS over any others

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 06:57 AM

I can't belive this thread is still going.

I also REALLY can't believe how it seems a few of you are assuming we "attack" Mansion just becuase Garry claims we do.

We don't.

We have a fantasitc product and do not need to attack another company to attract new clients.

I only bring up MPA when it is brought up to me. I do not attack them. I only state 100% true things about MPA when I am asked about it. If I am asked about it and I state the facts that is not attacking someone. I don't know why some people can't see the difference. I also ALWAYS say things like "they have said they removed the shave feature in mpa3" or "the database structure in mpa3 is much better than mpa2" etc. Again, I state facts and only after I have been asked about the product.

This is not attacking someone. So please don't take Garry's words as gospel. Just becuase he gets his panties in a wad and comes here complaining does not mean it's true. In contrary they are the ones who have admitted giving "wrong" information about us to potential sales. Quite the opposite as what is claimed here.

He even posted this post in three threads. These are threads which were either about my product and I was asked about his or they were about his product and mine came up. If my product comes up I have to step in and defend it. I can't let others discuss it without my view point.

Cutting around all the bullshit here I think this is also only about one thing. My stating that MPA2 had a shave feature. Juding by this post they seem to have a real problem with me pointing this out. Well, face it guys, it's the truth. And it is a difference between both our companies and our products. And I WILL continue to bring it up as a difference when I am asked about your product or someone drags my product into a discussion of your product.

To those who assume base our marketing on "attacking" MPA becuase Garry came by and said so; Please, learn the facts before you form your assumptions becuase in this case you're dead wrong.

jimmyf · 12-08-2004, 07:11 AM

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Originally posted by candyflip
Hey...you're the guys who added a shave feature to your software.

that feature should have NEVER been put into the sofware.... I don't care what the customer asked for.

jimmyf · 12-08-2004, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
You guys make it look even worse .

as I said in the other thread, you fucked up big time, and I'm NEVER gonna put my trust again in a program that use MPA .

This isn't a small fuckup . And on TOP of that you got the balls to blame US ?

If a program owner promese you 100 $ a signup instead of 30, will you take it ? off course .

You exploited this and turned it to your advantage .

But guess what, it just turned arround and there is no way you guys will have the trust of webmasters again

Manowar · 12-08-2004, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by bigdog
so even lens paying $35 a trial through nats is shaving?

why do you think lens is one of the few who pay high prices pps through nats

jimmyf · 12-08-2004, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn

We do not solict your customers, they come to us. They do so becuase your software was having performance issues. Or having support issues. Or having issues with all of the data not making it in to the system.

There is not one thing wrong with a company soliciting another companies customer's... I think it's called business, at least the last time I checked

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
why do you think lens is one of the few who pay high prices pps through nats

First, Lensman has no ownership or interest in NATS. He is not paid to say things good about it. He is a client like any other and treated the same. No better, no worse.

I have seen both Lens' business model and his numbers. He is able to pay $35 per signup becuase he has a vast knowledge of the business and he knows how to get the most money per join possible.

His tours convert and his content retains. I've seen his trial retension %s and I'm jealous on a personal level. He does not shave or fuck with the numbers. It is an honest program. We maintain access to the servers for support of the software and we know he is not fucking with things.

He is a stand up guy who is simply good at what he does.

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
There is not one thing wrong with a company soliciting another companies customer's... I think it's called business, at least the last time I checked

Exactly. This is another thing he came here crying about. I think this issue mostly spawns from him being scared we offer a better product. He can feel free to call our customers. They are all happy and I'm confident they will not move.

He stated that I "called his customers". I haven't, they come to us and of course we try to sell them on our product.

I asked him which customers of his I "called". He never answered.

And even if I did do that I would see no problem with it becuase you're exactly right, it is business.

Jace · 12-08-2004, 07:24 AM

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Originally posted by SexEducation
No Nats - No Nuts!
Lensman has 'em both!
Why are you trusting who you are with now?
WHY?

hahaha, sorry, had to lighten the mood

slapass · 12-08-2004, 07:25 AM

A really good program just went in the shitter for me after switching to NATS. I hope it is a temp issue or I might be gun shy in the future.

Anyone have alist fo their clients so I can get data of more then one?

TMM_John · 12-08-2004, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by slapass
A really good program just went in the shitter for me after switching to NATS. I hope it is a temp issue or I might be gun shy in the future.

Anyone have alist fo their clients so I can get data of more then one?

Slapass, shoot me an icq, 5596373 with what program it is please.

I only know of one program that moved very recently from MPA to NATS and overall ratios have been better not worse. Could be a few bad days in coincidence.

Shoot me the program name please.

Evil1 · 12-08-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by garry
What could we at Mansion do so that you the webmaster would feel absolutely 100% certain that anyone who uses the mpa3 program have no shaving opportunities what so ever ?

Post a list of every program using mpa so those webmasters that want to can avoid them.. cant shave without traffic.. thanks.

jimmyf · 12-08-2004, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Exactly. This is another thing he came here crying about. I think this issue mostly spawns from him being scared we offer a better product. He can feel free to call our customers. They are all happy and I'm confident they will not move.

He stated that I "called his customers". I haven't, they come to us and of course we try to sell them on our product.

I asked him which customers of his I "called". He never answered.

And even if I did do that I would see no problem with it becuase you're exactly right, it is business.

Hey it's business.

I had a mainstream business for over 20 years... You think just because it's my customer that a competitor won't call on them.

or I wouldn't call on there's. I took great delight when I took one of there customers.

XxXotic · 12-08-2004, 08:13 AM

what I don't understand is why someone hasn't sued MPA for this? It's a relatively simple thing to do. Especially since they've admitted (publically) to incorporating a shave module into their software. Regardless of whether or not you feel "its impossible to offer 35$ per join" or whatever bullshit excuse you use to justify the fact you're a fucking fraudster or at very least an accessory to fraud.

Hand someone a gun, that someone shoots somebody with that gun, you're just as guilty.

Hand someone a shave module, that someone shaves their affiliates, you're STILL just as guilty.

Doesn't matter how you look at it, attempt to justify it, or attempt to blame others for it. MPA is ultimately responsible for frauding thousands of webmasters and should be held accountable

undermyspell · 12-08-2004, 08:53 AM

the only way I can see Mansion redeeming themselves as doing the right thing in addition to removing the shave feature is once and for all outing all the programs that were implementing it. I know that they will come back and say that they don't know who used it or not but I can almost guarantee you 100% that they do know.. A little birdie told me (i'll let you fill in the blank because I won't be responsible for badmouthing anyone's business)

BUT.. Mansion should cut anyone off that used the shave feature willingly and maliciously and report them to the affiliates and the authorities. After all, shaving is fraud and fraud is a crime.

jimmyf · 12-08-2004, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by undermyspell

BUT.. Mansion should cut anyone off that used the shave feature willingly and maliciously and report them to the affiliates and the authorities. After all, shaving is fraud and fraud is a crime.

you read his post, if not, it will never happen. After all they ask for it... the shave and he thinks that made it all right.

Rick Latona · 12-08-2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
doesn't cjbucks use MPA software?

and I am sure if someone here would dig out the old thread titled "i will do anything to get your business" you will find a lot of these people saying they won't promote any program that has MPA, promoting cjbucks

fact is, people around here just talk shit and don't want to be labeled the traitor, or god forbid sheep, so they say what the general public wants to hear...that is fact

We use the click truth enabled MPA3 software that has no shave feature and we are satisfied with it at this time.

MediumPimpin · 12-08-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
1st : Make lensman close this thread
2nd : Start a thread, saying you apologize ... and don't try to take anything away from what you guys did, writing a shave feature.

It dosen't matter if 1 or 1000 webmasters used it, it was still there .
3rd : Make EVERYTHING you can to stop shaving in the next features. .. you are the programmers, think about it .

You guys had kickass ideas . you just went too far with the shave script ...

and acting the way you did toward it (not taking the responsability for your action), won't make people trust you

WOW, Gary you need to hire Doctor Dre to make your posts man, I would take what he has said to heart

garry · 12-08-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by MediumPimpin
WOW, Gary you need to hire Doctor Dre to make your posts man, I would take what he has said to heart

Belive you me, I am listening to what everyone have to say and I let it sink in deep.

I am here because I want to listen and also try to learn from miss takes.

If I didnt care I wouldnt be here

12-08-2004, 01:07 AM	#101
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	100 __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

12-08-2004, 02:11 AM	#116
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	at least you picked a good place to find yourself some sheep. you get credit for that. __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

12-08-2004, 02:48 AM	#121
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	Any time someone starts pointing any sort of blame then they better be ready for someone else to say "he who smelt it dealt it". And one last useless opinion dished up by me before heading out... If you have a great product then just focus on selling that and not selling someone else's problems. The success from it will ultimately be much sweeter without all the bitterness. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

12-08-2004, 03:31 AM	#122
D-Money Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Player Del Ray Posts: 9,716	Oystein is a good friend and I can say he's a real person who tries his best and is a real stand up guy. Once upon a time, they created a feature that most people didn't have the balls to admit was happening, they at least came out with it as a feature, open about it. The industry wanted it and the industry had it as an option, beware buyer, or in this case, affiliate. Some people might actually be able to make higher payouts because they can simply convert traffic to the max, while others use short cuts and shave. But not everyone using the MPA2 program shaved, that's not a fair assumption. Some people shave because their conversion ratios are that much better then the rest of the industry, so you'd never really notice the shave and the payouts are still great. Shaving still exists even if you are making more money then with a different program. Today's webmaster needs to compete and sell to others that they don't shave. And it's the right way to do business. Always has been. I don't fault the programmers as much as the demand to have that feaure dictated by the webmasters asking for it. MPA2 is not the fall guy for a feature that an industry asked for, though the majority never knew or wanted this to happen. The people using the program are the minority doing the majority of the revenues being made. I respect when someone says we've listened to your requests and you're right, we'll take that feature out. The industry spoke up and things changed because the majority can speak on boards and at shows. This isn't an issue about taking sides, at this point is a charactor issue about some old school credible veterans of this industry and industry leaders that paved the way for others. I love Mansion Productions, Garry is also a very cool too. And I love NATS, they also have a great service. NATS has always lived up to their word with me and I enjoy working with them too. They have an incredible program just like the MPA3 is an incredible program. I enjoy eating at McDonalds or Burger King. Both are good. Though I'm on a diet and both are bad at the moment, bad comparision. I hope that the dust settles real soon and people don't get caught up in the bullshit. They can both be good. Epoch and CCBill are both good, it's been done. Can we call this war officially over now? All in favor say I. __________________ Still Ballin'

12-08-2004, 06:57 AM	#133
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	I can't belive this thread is still going. I also REALLY can't believe how it seems a few of you are assuming we "attack" Mansion just becuase Garry claims we do. We don't. We have a fantasitc product and do not need to attack another company to attract new clients. I only bring up MPA when it is brought up to me. I do not attack them. I only state 100% true things about MPA when I am asked about it. If I am asked about it and I state the facts that is not attacking someone. I don't know why some people can't see the difference. I also ALWAYS say things like "they have said they removed the shave feature in mpa3" or "the database structure in mpa3 is much better than mpa2" etc. Again, I state facts and only after I have been asked about the product. This is not attacking someone. So please don't take Garry's words as gospel. Just becuase he gets his panties in a wad and comes here complaining does not mean it's true. In contrary they are the ones who have admitted giving "wrong" information about us to potential sales. Quite the opposite as what is claimed here. He even posted this post in three threads. These are threads which were either about my product and I was asked about his or they were about his product and mine came up. If my product comes up I have to step in and defend it. I can't let others discuss it without my view point. Cutting around all the bullshit here I think this is also only about one thing. My stating that MPA2 had a shave feature. Juding by this post they seem to have a real problem with me pointing this out. Well, face it guys, it's the truth. And it is a difference between both our companies and our products. And I WILL continue to bring it up as a difference when I am asked about your product or someone drags my product into a discussion of your product. To those who assume base our marketing on "attacking" MPA becuase Garry came by and said so; Please, learn the facts before you form your assumptions becuase in this case you're dead wrong. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

12-08-2004, 01:09 AM	#102
seer Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 280	looks good guys good luck

12-08-2004, 04:14 AM	#124
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	what a fucked up post fuck mpa3 and its company.

12-08-2004, 04:31 AM	#128
hagbard Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 309	Christmas hold music for a porn company? its kinda funny.

12-08-2004, 04:48 AM	#131
hagbard Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 309	Garry - Just got off the phone with you. I feel as I always have that you're a reasonable business man. I still feel that oystein is a liability to the company and I still (at this point) would not have any business relationship with you nor recommend a business relationship with you to a client based on my previous expreiance with oystein and your company. I appreciate your rebuttals once you realized who I am and I know that you will address this as you see fit, I simply dont believe it will fix the problem at this point. always remember the customer service rule. a satisfied customer will tell 3 people about his good experiance. a DISsatisfied customer will tell 10 about his bad experiance. (j.d. power 1993 study of customer satisfaction factors and related experiance based factors)

12-08-2004, 05:07 AM	#132
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	from an affiliates point of view NATS stats and interface are MUCH better i prefer programs that use NATS over any others

12-08-2004, 07:25 AM	#141
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	A really good program just went in the shitter for me after switching to NATS. I hope it is a temp issue or I might be gun shy in the future. Anyone have alist fo their clients so I can get data of more then one?

12-08-2004, 08:13 AM	#145
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	what I don't understand is why someone hasn't sued MPA for this? It's a relatively simple thing to do. Especially since they've admitted (publically) to incorporating a shave module into their software. Regardless of whether or not you feel "its impossible to offer 35$ per join" or whatever bullshit excuse you use to justify the fact you're a fucking fraudster or at very least an accessory to fraud. Hand someone a gun, that someone shoots somebody with that gun, you're just as guilty. Hand someone a shave module, that someone shaves their affiliates, you're STILL just as guilty. Doesn't matter how you look at it, attempt to justify it, or attempt to blame others for it. MPA is ultimately responsible for frauding thousands of webmasters and should be held accountable __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

12-08-2004, 08:53 AM	#146
undermyspell Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 875	the only way I can see Mansion redeeming themselves as doing the right thing in addition to removing the shave feature is once and for all outing all the programs that were implementing it. I know that they will come back and say that they don't know who used it or not but I can almost guarantee you 100% that they do know.. A little birdie told me (i'll let you fill in the blank because I won't be responsible for badmouthing anyone's business) BUT.. Mansion should cut anyone off that used the shave feature willingly and maliciously and report them to the affiliates and the authorities. After all, shaving is fraud and fraud is a crime.