What is the Future Of Tivo ?

[mahoney]

Can some explain how tivo emerged and what kind of reaction that brought from the major tv networks ? Is it true that "they"plan to implement spyware to justify it ? I would be interested to know more about this ? I just got tivo and I fucking love it

[Jace]

wow, i don't think I have evetr thought about it

i got mine, hacked it, upgraded it....and now I watch it....that is the extent of my tivo knowledge

[wes]

tivo won't compete. All the cable companies are offering the same service, or starting to.

[Kard63]

Tivo will soon force commercials on you when you fast forward. They lowered the price of hardware but I think a competitor will take them out. One who charges a lot for the hardware and a decent monthly fee but lets people have total control. It's already easy to make one like that with a PC. Maybe I should look for venture capitalists. Its genius I know.... give people what they want and let them pay for it. I hope no one else thinks of this.

[Jace]

Originally posted by wes
tivo won't compete. All the cable companies are offering the same service, or starting to.

yeah, but the cable companies only have a hard disk recorder...you can only record a single broadcast

tivo you can record two things at once

plus tivo has SO much more than ANY cable companies versions right now

tivo has a patent on a LOT of the technology, so cable companies CAN'T compete

plus, satellite systems plan on using tivo for a long time, instead of trying to do their own....

tivo will live forever

[Jace]

and anyone that says new systems will cut commercials out is bullshitting

the fcc just made it basically a law that these type of systems have to record the commercials and the only way to get through them is to fast forward

[Kard63]

Originally posted by JaceXXX

tivo you can record two things at once

Not true. Only with the dual tuner and that might only be available with DTV. I'm not sure. But I know its not the common model.


Tivo will appeal to the wishes of advertisers too much and die.

[GatorB]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
tivo will live forever

8-track, betamax, car phones, fax machines. Nuff said

[Jace]

Originally posted by GatorB
8-track, betamax, car phones, fax machines. Nuff said

ok...sorry...tivo will evolve enough to stay in the game

[Jace]

Originally posted by Kard63
Not true. Only with the dual tuner and that might only be available with DTV. I'm not sure. But I know its not the common model.


Tivo will appeal to the wishes of advertisers too much and die.

they have a single tuner one still? wierd, why would anyone buy that shit?

[Kard63]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
they have a single tuner one still? wierd, why would anyone buy that shit?

I love my tivo. I would cream for a dual tuner. But I'm a tech whore and can easily make something better but I start too many projects. When they start spamming me commercials when I fast forward I'll probably throw together a $200 pc that does everything the way I like it.

[Babagirls]

Originally posted by wes
tivo won't compete. All the cable companies are offering the same service, or starting to.

yea. i dont have Tiveo, have that DVR (same thing as Tiveo) from Time Warner.

i fuckin love it.

[Jace]

Originally posted by Kard63
I love my tivo. I would cream for a dual tuner. But I'm a tech whore and can easily make something better but I start too many projects. When they start spamming me commercials when I fast forward I'll probably throw together a $200 pc that does everything the way I like it.

the dual tuner is the SHIT....we fuckin love it...we NEVER miss a program

and with the hacks I have on this bitch, it is so nice

I am sitting here now on my web browser looking at the whole inside of my tivo, i can do anything with the network hack straight from my browser

[Young]

I have a Tivo with a DVD burner. A pioneer. It sits there and collects dust.

[Kard63]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
the dual tuner is the SHIT....we fuckin love it...we NEVER miss a program

and with the hacks I have on this bitch, it is so nice

I am sitting here now on my web browser looking at the whole inside of my tivo, i can do anything with the network hack straight from my browser

I read about hacks to:

1. Upgrade the HD size (a 250gb would own but theres a prob)
2. Get free service
3. Network it

Upgrading to any HD over 137GB+ requires a kernal hack because the tivo doesnt have LBA48 support built into it and free service also requires a kernal hack. Kernal hacking isn't a big deal but you have to DL the software updates yourself and I'm all about zero maintenance. But tell me more about the network hack if you dont mind ;)

[Jace]

Originally posted by Kard63
I read about hacks to:

1. Upgrade the HD size (a 250gb would own but theres a prob)
2. Get free service
3. Network it

Upgrading to any HD over 137GB+ requires a kernal hack because the tivo doesnt have LBA48 support built into it and free service also requires a kernal hack. Kernal hacking isn't a big deal but you have to DL the software updates yourself and I'm all about zero maintenance. But tell me more about the network hack if you dont mind ;)

the network hack to me is just being able to open up the usb port on it to network it...nothing big, just enables the usb port on the back

[MissEve]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/1....ap/index.html


TiVo pop-up ads may erode consumer control
Friday, November 26, 2004 Posted: 10:31 AM EST (1531 GMT)


SAN JOSE, California (AP) -- Digital video recording pioneer TiVo Inc. has long promised "TV Your Way."

But the company's plans for pop-up ads and restrictions on copying have sparked worries that the service may be eroding consumer control in favor of Hollywood and advertiser interests.

Is it becoming TiVo -- their way?

"Consumers are very distrustful of technologies that seize yet another opportunity to offer up advertising," said Mike Godwin, legal director of Public Knowledge, a public interest group. Whether the fears are founded or not, he said, "it feels like TiVo is taking away some of the prerogatives and flexibility that TiVo TV watchers have become accustomed to."

TiVo officials say that starting in March users will begin to see static images, such as a company logo, appear on their television screens as they fast-forward through commercials. The billboard-like ads -- which will last about four seconds for a fast-forwarded 30-second spot -- may offer giveaways or links to other ads.

For some ads, viewers could choose to provide advertisers with their contact data so they can get more direct marketing.

A pop-up recording "tag" is also planned: a "thumbs-up" icon would appear during TV show promotions and allow users to instantly place those programs in their recording queue.

TiVo officials contend that the new features will not be any more intrusive than the "thumbs-up" icons that already appear during some commercials and shows. But to some customers, the impending advertising changes smack of betrayal from the innovators whose hard drive-based gizmo lets TV viewers record programs, fast-forward through ads and pause at will.

"It's crossing the line," said Darren McClung. The 24-year-old Kansas City, Missouri, systems administrator says he didn't mind as much when TiVo introduced ads in its main menu area, giving users the option of watching them.

But with ads set to appear over the very commercials he's trying to skip, "they've moved from unintrusive to intrusive advertising, and that's troublesome," he said.

Some skeptics also worry that TiVo's planned use of Macrovision Corp.'s new copy-protection scheme signals more boundaries on what shows they can or cannot record -- even as TiVo prepares to unveil a new service later this year, called TiVoToGo, that will let users record shows onto DVDs or transfer them to computers.

Macrovision has developed a feature that will allow content providers -- the people who produce television shows -- to place restrictions on how long a digital video recorder such as TiVo can save certain kinds of programming. For instance, movies could disappear after seven days.

TiVo officials say the new restrictions will apply only to pay-per-view and video-on-demand programs. If Macrovision expands the feature to any other content, the deal is off, said Brodie Keast, executive vice president of service business at TiVo.

"We believe the consumer should be in control of entertainment -- either free over-the-air or paid broadcasts -- and this doesn't change that in any way," Keast said. "But reaching this kind of compromise allows us to innovate freely."

Industry watchers say TiVo has no choice but to make peace with networks, cable and advertisers.

"TiVo has to become more advertising-friendly because, at the end of the day, TV runs on advertising dollars and companies that are part of that food chain have to acknowledge that," said Tim Maleeny, director of strategy at Publicis & Hal Riney, a San Francisco-based advertising firm.

Josh Bernoff, analyst at Forrester Research, said, "Any product that's part of a cable and satellite world has to obey some of the restrictions that go with it."

The restrictions are tightening.

For instance, HBO says it plans to introduce in June a copy-protection technology that will restrict viewers to only one digital copy of its regular shows -- and no copies of its on-demand programs.

As it is, TiVo is fighting an onslaught of competitors, including cable operators, who now offer digital video recorder-equipped set-top boxes of their own. The Alviso-based company has yet to post a profit.

It reported Monday a net loss of $26.4 million, or 33 cents per share, on revenue of $38.3 million for the third quarter ended Oct. 31. Its subscriber base has more than doubled from a year ago to about 2.3 million, but roughly 61 percent of subscribers come through satellite operator DirecTV, which is expected to offer a competing DVR soon.

That is expected to help boost the number of U.S. households with DVRs well beyond the 6.5 million that currently have them.

For its part, TiVo tries to balance between customers' desires and Hollywood's demands.

Hollywood studios sued TiVo's rival, DVR pioneer ReplayTV, over its automatic commercial-skipping recording feature -- a function TiVo and other DVR makers could have adopted but didn't. ReplayTV's rebel stance bankrupted its former owner. New owners have removed the ad-skipping feature.

TiVo has worked for years with advertisers, trying to find new ways to market to an increasingly fleeting television audience. As part of its delicate dealings with Hollywood, TiVo sells data on the viewing patterns of its users, such as when they choose to watch instant replays or when they fast-forward.

TiVo executives acknowledge that they're walking a fine line with their new advertising strategy.

"Those who feel that they've been 'sold out,' I can understand that," Bob Poniatowsky, a TiVo product marketing manager, wrote recently in an online posting on the TiVo Community Forum. But "that's simply not the case here."

Advertisers -- and TiVo-- will have to tread cautiously nonetheless, said Maleeny, the advertising strategist. Consumers already encounter hundreds of ads a day all around them -- from billboards to newspapers to the Internet.

"It's easy in this environment," Maleeny said, "to suddenly cross a line from being inviting and intriguing to being intrusive and obnoxious."

[Jace]

haha

so, people are mad cause when they fast forward past an ad that someone could have paid $1,000,000 for, they will see a banner ad?....hahahaha..what idiots

a pop-up recording "tag" is also planned: a "thumbs-up" icon would appear during TV show promotions and allow users to instantly place those programs in their recording queue.

already have that

[Kard63]

Yea but what are the benefits of networking it? File extraction ? What kind of transfer rate do you get? Do you have to reencode it to make it an mpeg or some shit ?

[mahoney]

that would suck if they forced commercials on you

[Peaches]

I would rather pay a monthly fee (I get it free from Direct now) than have to deal with "popups" or ads.

[mahoney]

Originally posted by Peaches
I would rather pay a monthly fee (I get it free from Direct now) than have to deal with "popups" or ads.

I agree

[Warden]

Originally posted by Peaches
I would rather pay a monthly fee (I get it free from Direct now) than have to deal with "popups" or ads.

The only reason I get my Tivo service free from DTV is because I have the Platinum Package. So, really it's not free because if I downgraded my service I would then have to pay for the Tivo service.

[Illicit]

Originally posted by GatorB
8-track, betamax, car phones, fax machines. Nuff said

fax machines ? they still get used all the time

[mahoney]

I have a tivo like service through my cable provider but it doesn't allow me to record 2 shows that are on at the same time. Does tivo allow you to do that? How much space does tivo give you ?

[xclusive]

O plan on getting a tivo and hacking it with a pair of daul 200 gig hard drives...

[ArkansasDave]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
yeah, but the cable companies only have a hard disk recorder...you can only record a single broadcast

tivo you can record two things at once

plus tivo has SO much more than ANY cable companies versions right now

tivo has a patent on a LOT of the technology, so cable companies CAN'T compete

plus, satellite systems plan on using tivo for a long time, instead of trying to do their own....

tivo will live forever

A DVR system can record 2 broadcasts simotanilsuly.
The best thing that hit since the wireless remote.
So much for Americas fitness.

[Mr. Mike]

In less than 3 yers, the majority will use HDTV over IP. Im switching to it next week. Dedicating a PC for it, it will serve as a digital box like TIVO, but with a million more functions for a fraction of the cost.

[mahoney]

Originally posted by Mr. Mike
In less than 3 yers, the majority will use HDTV over IP. Im switching to it next week. Dedicating a PC for it, it will serve as a digital box like TIVO, but with a million more functions for a fraction of the cost.

Really ?

[ShellyCrash]

Tivo is awesome, it's a good investment, you should all buy stock!