Signups. Is the economy in a much worse state than we thought - GoFuckYourself.com

Centurion · 11-30-2004, 07:48 PM

This has been the WORST November for signups in years.
Not only are new signups sucking, but cancellations & declines are at their highest rates for me.

Could it be that "down deep", money is still hard to come by for those "casual" items? I was reading that here in Seattle, the day after Thanksgiving traditional big retail sales day was fairly decent, but then the rest of the weekend was basically tits up.

What do you think? Oversaturation of the market, or are people being a lot tighter with that penny of theirs before they finally let it go to buy something?

latinasojourn · 11-30-2004, 09:35 PM

90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

surfers have seen it all now.

very little original looking content.

asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

KRL · 11-30-2004, 09:37 PM

The next wave is coming.

Rankings · 11-30-2004, 09:38 PM

How many memberships does 1 person need?

SmutGiant · 11-30-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by input
How many memberships does 1 person need?

About five.

SmutGiant · 11-30-2004, 09:42 PM

On the same note, I posted in a previous thread that IMO we are under charging surfers. I'm not gonna go in depth here, but another reason to add to that is since all the free porn and economic troubles are having an effect on our downline, shouldn't we at least try to squeeze more juice out of those surfers who DO pay for our services?

DomBuyer · 11-30-2004, 09:44 PM

I'd say there's a much more benign reason: the proliferation of free porn.

You think "free" will only destroy the music and movie business, but not the porn business? You're dreamin'.

Free porn is everywhere, and there's more than enough to sustain for a full jerk, and that's the bottom line. Got nothing to do with the economy, since porn is not a "rational" purchase anyway.

VeriSexy · 11-30-2004, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DomBuyer
I'd say there's a much more benign reason: the proliferation of free porn.

You think "free" will only destroy the music and movie business, but not the porn business? You're dreamin'.

Free porn is everywhere, and there's more than enough to sustain for a full jerk, and that's the bottom line. Got nothing to do with the economy, since porn is not a "rational" purchase anyway.

Pornwolf · 11-30-2004, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
The next wave is coming.

What do you mean?

Nader · 11-30-2004, 09:46 PM

A few reasons why...

Smarter surfers that have been burned once and know how it works now. Buy a trial then cancel before it converts.. too easy

majority of people in the world have computers so it's not hot or new anymore.

But overall there is still alot to be made..just got to make more moves instead of sticking to one thing.

Theo · 11-30-2004, 09:47 PM

If something is going on, there's only one thing for sure: you cannot do anything to stop it. So my best advice is to act smart and cash from what others do not do

Centurion · 11-30-2004, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by latinasojourn
90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

surfers have seen it all now.

very little original looking content.

asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

Those are some very good points.

The only problem is that one legged midget tranny grandmas are getting harder and harder to find to videotape! (And they know it too! They want a BUNDLE for just one hour's work!)

slavdogg · 11-30-2004, 11:30 PM

our adult biz is at all time highs
yesterday nov 29th was the record day accross the board

Veterans Day · 11-30-2004, 11:32 PM

dating is where its at. Retention is sick. Not people forgetting about the rebills either, just plain sick

Dawgy · 11-30-2004, 11:37 PM

hmm

best november ever, best month all year, every day beat the previous.

Tat2Jr · 11-30-2004, 11:52 PM

November was very good to us. It all boils down to having exclusive content. I have personally shot all my own content since 1997, and only shoot niches that I know, and understand.

The Bootyologist · 11-30-2004, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by latinasojourn
90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

surfers have seen it all now.

very little original looking content.

asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

i couldnt agree with latinasojourn more

Easton · 11-30-2004, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
This has been the WORST November for signups in years.

it's been my best november on record... see sig for Wild West Cash and read the threads about it

CET · 12-01-2004, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
This has been the WORST November for signups in years.
Not only are new signups sucking, but cancellations & declines are at their highest rates for me.

Could it be that "down deep", money is still hard to come by for those "casual" items? I was reading that here in Seattle, the day after Thanksgiving traditional big retail sales day was fairly decent, but then the rest of the weekend was basically tits up.

What do you think? Oversaturation of the market, or are people being a lot tighter with that penny of theirs before they finally let it go to buy something?

I don't know what the economy in Canada is like or how many of your customers are American or not, but it is fallicious to take an experience in one industry and apply it to the whole economy. You're trying to apply a micro-economic problem to a macro-economic situation and it's simply apples and oranges.

America's GDP was up last quarter by 4%, and all indexes are up and have been steadily so for every quarter since the 4th quarter of 2001. Our economy IS recovering, albeit slowly, but it is recovering.

Walmart reported that sales were only up by 1% from the previous year. Oh darn, only 1% growth. The year before that sales were only up by 2% from the year before that. I'll get worried when they start reporting that sales are down from the previous year, and that has yet to happen in my lifetime.

Consider this, perhaps people are unsubscribing so that they can pay for presents for their family and friends. Does this seem to happen every year? What about other reporting the best November on record? Are they fucked up and your experience is the true reflection of an entire economy?

CET · 12-01-2004, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by latinasojourn
90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

surfers have seen it all now.

very little original looking content.

asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

Well said.

KRL · 12-01-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
What do you mean?

Its time to modify your surfboard. Actually it was time last year.

aaron · 12-01-2004, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day
dating is where its at. Retention is sick. Not people forgetting about the rebills either, just plain sick

Centurion · 12-01-2004, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CET
I don't know what the economy in Canada is like or how many of your customers are American or not, but it is fallicious to take an experience in one industry and apply it to the whole economy. You're trying to apply a micro-economic problem to a macro-economic situation and it's simply apples and oranges.

Uh huh...

Umm...I don't know WHERE you got the idea I'm from Canada!

Nicky · 12-01-2004, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by latinasojourn
90% of sites have cookie cutter content.

surfers have seen it all now.

very little original looking content.

asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing.

adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites.

but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups.

clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

Amen

baddog · 12-01-2004, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by input
How many memberships does 1 person need?

From seminars I have attended, 10 is about the average

baddog · 12-01-2004, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
Uh huh...

Umm...I don't know WHERE you got the idea I'm from Canada!

Isn't Seattle in Canada?

Doctor Dre · 12-01-2004, 01:48 AM

I've had my best month in a fucking while now

baddog · 12-01-2004, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Easton
it's been my best november on record... see sig for Wild West Cash and read the threads about it

Well, this is only the second one for SexPicturesPass, but it is a lot better than the first one for sure

Doctor Dre · 12-01-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
Isn't Seattle in Canada?

Kimmykim · 12-01-2004, 01:59 AM

Actually in times of economic crunch, the typical demographic for this industry spends more on escapist pasttimes like drinking or online porn than they do in better times...

CET · 12-01-2004, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
Uh huh...

Umm...I don't know WHERE you got the idea I'm from Canada!

Out of my entire post, that's all you have to say? Talk about missing the forest for all the trees.

slavdogg · 12-01-2004, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Actually in times of economic crunch, the typical demographic for this industry spends more on escapist pasttimes like drinking or online porn than they do in better times...

escapist

slapass · 12-01-2004, 04:19 AM

X-mas shoppers are starting later and later. My mainstream stuff is running right on track with last year and we lost some key domains.

flashfire · 12-01-2004, 04:44 AM

I did well in November and intend to do the same in december

AnalProbe · 12-01-2004, 04:47 AM

I am doing very well.

I am a happy puppy.

Libertine · 12-01-2004, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AnalProbe
I am doing very well.

I am a happy puppy.

Trying to save on hosting?

andrej_NDC · 12-01-2004, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by Dawgy
hmm

best november ever, best month all year, every day beat the previous.

yup, same for me. Thumbs up!

Va2k · 12-01-2004, 05:05 AM

Well I dont normaly like to toot my own horn but Nov has been one of the best months for my sites!! Hell I may of even broken my old record *shrugs* BUT that was for my site as for me being an AFF, it sucked.

Tom

Shaddam IV · 12-01-2004, 05:08 AM

we need more TGPs

groark · 12-01-2004, 06:16 AM

My, Bandwith Usage / Signups ratio was better... Nothing to complain about

11-30-2004, 07:48 PM	#1
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Signups. Is the economy in a much worse state than we thought This has been the WORST November for signups in years. Not only are new signups sucking, but cancellations & declines are at their highest rates for me. Could it be that "down deep", money is still hard to come by for those "casual" items? I was reading that here in Seattle, the day after Thanksgiving traditional big retail sales day was fairly decent, but then the rest of the weekend was basically tits up. What do you think? Oversaturation of the market, or are people being a lot tighter with that penny of theirs before they finally let it go to buy something? __________________

11-30-2004, 09:37 PM	#3
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11-30-2004, 09:38 PM	#4
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11-30-2004, 09:46 PM	#10
Nader Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 5,086	A few reasons why... Smarter surfers that have been burned once and know how it works now. Buy a trial then cancel before it converts.. too easy majority of people in the world have computers so it's not hot or new anymore. But overall there is still alot to be made..just got to make more moves instead of sticking to one thing. Last edited by Nader; 11-30-2004 at 09:48 PM..

11-30-2004, 11:32 PM	#14
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11-30-2004, 09:35 PM	#2
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	90% of sites have cookie cutter content. surfers have seen it all now. very little original looking content. asswipes who hijack the surfers' browsers, with trojan and dialers, etc are taking their toll on all tgp marketing. adult traffic is generally down across the board per domain even though total traffic is up---this is due to saturation of adult sites. but, if you have a unique viewpoint, and can provide high quality original content that no one else has, you will generate signups. clinical hardcore has become passe' for most surfers.

11-30-2004, 09:42 PM	#6
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,895	On the same note, I posted in a previous thread that IMO we are under charging surfers. I'm not gonna go in depth here, but another reason to add to that is since all the free porn and economic troubles are having an effect on our downline, shouldn't we at least try to squeeze more juice out of those surfers who DO pay for our services?

11-30-2004, 09:44 PM	#7
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	I'd say there's a much more benign reason: the proliferation of free porn. You think "free" will only destroy the music and movie business, but not the porn business? You're dreamin'. Free porn is everywhere, and there's more than enough to sustain for a full jerk, and that's the bottom line. Got nothing to do with the economy, since porn is not a "rational" purchase anyway.

11-30-2004, 09:47 PM	#11
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	If something is going on, there's only one thing for sure: you cannot do anything to stop it. So my best advice is to act smart and cash from what others do not do

11-30-2004, 11:30 PM	#13
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	our adult biz is at all time highs yesterday nov 29th was the record day accross the board

11-30-2004, 11:37 PM	#15
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	hmm best november ever, best month all year, every day beat the previous. __________________ the revolution is coming.

11-30-2004, 11:52 PM	#16
Tat2Jr Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny California Posts: 4,882	November was very good to us. It all boils down to having exclusive content. I have personally shot all my own content since 1997, and only shoot niches that I know, and understand. __________________ NICHE MONEY >> Ass Worship • Panties • Solo Teen • Pantyhose Serving up exclusive fetish sites since 1997!

12-01-2004, 01:59 AM	#30
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Actually in times of economic crunch, the typical demographic for this industry spends more on escapist pasttimes like drinking or online porn than they do in better times...

12-01-2004, 04:19 AM	#33
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	X-mas shoppers are starting later and later. My mainstream stuff is running right on track with last year and we lost some key domains.

12-01-2004, 04:44 AM	#34
flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	I did well in November and intend to do the same in december

12-01-2004, 04:47 AM	#35
AnalProbe pain in the Ass Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,727	I am doing very well. I am a happy puppy.

12-01-2004, 05:05 AM	#38
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	Well I dont normaly like to toot my own horn but Nov has been one of the best months for my sites!! Hell I may of even broken my old record shrugs BUT that was for my site as for me being an AFF, it sucked. Tom __________________

12-01-2004, 05:08 AM	#39
Shaddam IV So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 810	we need more TGPs

12-01-2004, 06:16 AM	#40
groark So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,966	My, Bandwith Usage / Signups ratio was better... Nothing to complain about