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Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 02:37 PM

Thanks TCG for catching it and I can't belive he tried to get TCG to pay him our sales.

Paycom this is his epassporte acount if you have info on him please contact me

Hi,
For one better security, It would like to receive all my payments by
Epassporte.
My id epassporte: flavinho78
My ID : aerowebex

I am wating..many Thanks.
aero

Manowar · 11-11-2004, 02:38 PM

wow, thats real scummy.

good to hear he didnt get away with it

BIGTYMER · 11-11-2004, 02:39 PM

I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 02:46 PM

Everyone should be a little worried. If TCG didn't know our acount who knows what would have happend.

Just letting all the Program Owners who pay webmaster thru epassport to double check when someone is trying to switch from checking to epassporte.

Good job TCG

this really pisses me off I wonder how many acounts he has stolen

Here is his email info Medianet INC [mailto:[email protected]]

rocki · 11-11-2004, 02:48 PM

you forgot this losers email roger... if you own a program please beware of this guy... he has already done this before in the past...

From: Medianet INC [mailto:[email protected]]

rocki · 11-11-2004, 02:49 PM

oops... im too slow... hehe

Rankings · 11-11-2004, 02:51 PM

what an asshole

Doctor Dre · 11-11-2004, 02:52 PM

How did he do that

mindoza · 11-11-2004, 02:52 PM

Thanks for the heads up!

Manowar · 11-11-2004, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

How did he do that

i can only assume he found out the pornkings account name and emailed TCG support asking for payout to be changed to his epassporte

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rocki
oops... im too slow... hehe

Badboys badboys what you gonna do. When Pornkings comes after you and Rocki Too

Whoever it was had balls but not for long

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
i can only assume he found out the pornkings account name and emailed TCG support asking for payout to be changed to his epassporte

Yep thats exactly it...

Rand · 11-11-2004, 03:06 PM

ePassporte, just as with PayPal, allows you to move money to someone with simply a username (or with PayPal, an email address).

This is why it is important to know your affiliates. Just as Visa has the know your customer rule, you should know your affiliates.

Nice catch on the part of TCG.

eP Risk Management will be hearing about this guy.

Trixxxia · 11-11-2004, 03:24 PM

Wow! Good thing they caught it in time!

WiredGuy · 11-11-2004, 03:26 PM

Nice catch, I'm really glad to hear TCG checks with the affiliate before making such a transfer. Makes me feel better at night

WG

49thParallel · 11-11-2004, 04:24 PM

A more apt thread heading would have been...A adult program trying to steal money from consumers...

Oh, but wait, pre-checked cross-sells and trials that need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial or else they rebill aren't meant to trick the consumer into rebilling, are they.

Don't worry, it's nothing personal, I think the practices of lightspeedcash, Adult.com, Top Bucks, and the rest of the crowd who use these tricks, to be equally scummy.

And what the hell do I mean, tricking the consumer...geez...it's common sense to read the first 200 to 500 words of the small T & C's to find out about the trial cancellation policy, right? No way in hell that is designed to trick people, is it?

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
A more apt thread heading would have been...A adult program trying to steal money from consumers...

Oh, but wait, pre-checked cross-sells and trials that need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial or else they rebill aren't meant to trick the consumer into rebilling, are they.

Don't worry, it's nothing personal, I think the practices of lightspeedcash, Adult.com, Top Bucks, and the rest of the crowd who use these tricks, to be equally scummy.

And what the hell do I mean, tricking the consumer...geez...it's common sense to read the first 200 to 500 words of the small T & C's to find out about the trial cancellation policy, right? No way in hell that is designed to trick people, is it?

Your still not making money in adult? One day you will have faith in yourself.

Have you even tried to join one of the sites and cancel its super simple even a monkey can do it. no tricks here. Get your monkey to help you...

thats why our CB is way under 1%

LA Mike · 11-11-2004, 04:32 PM

A webmaster... or about 10,000 webmasters?

49thParallel · 11-11-2004, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
Your still not making money in adult? One day you will have faith in yourself.

Have you even tried to join one of the sites and cancel its super simple even a monkey can do it. no tricks here. Get your monkey to help you...

thats why our CB is way under 1%

Yes, I did. Time for you to search through the archives. We went through this before. And, yes, it is easy to cancel, IF you cancel 24 hours prior. But that's the rub, isn't it.

And thanks for the concern, but I do just fine. I just won't come down to your level to make my money. Pornography = great, Having to use smoke and mirrors to make money = scum.

Dagwolf · 11-11-2004, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
A more apt thread heading would have been...A adult program trying to steal money from consumers...

Oh, but wait, pre-checked cross-sells and trials that need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial or else they rebill aren't meant to trick the consumer into rebilling, are they.

Don't worry, it's nothing personal, I think the practices of lightspeedcash, Adult.com, Top Bucks, and the rest of the crowd who use these tricks, to be equally scummy.

And what the hell do I mean, tricking the consumer...geez...it's common sense to read the first 200 to 500 words of the small T & C's to find out about the trial cancellation policy, right? No way in hell that is designed to trick people, is it?

Free porn is over HERE

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAMike
A webmaster... or about 10,000 webmasters?

The shit some of these webmasters come up with to steal it amazes me.

I bet he's gotten away with it many times. if a sponsor hasn't paid you maybe your buddy stole your acount.

49thParallel · 11-11-2004, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagwolf
Free porn is over HERE

Oh, I'm sorry, did I forget to add TCG into the Rogue list.

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Yes, I did. Time for you to search through the archives. We went through this before. And, yes, it is easy to cancel, IF you cancel 24 hours prior. But that's the rub, isn't it.

And thanks for the concern, but I do just fine. I just won't come down to your level to make my money. Pornography = great, Having to use smoke and mirrors to make money = scum.

Smoke and mirrors LOL I bet you don't have 1/10 of the content we do.
and I'm not sure about the 24hours because people still cancel on our $1 for a day trial.

So you must have a problem with Paycom? Who do you proccess with?

49thParallel · 11-11-2004, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
Smoke and mirrors LOL I bet you don't have 1/10 of the content we do.
and I'm not sure about the 24hours because people still cancel on our $1 for a day trial.

So you must have a problem with Paycom? Who do you proccess with?

The one day trial is a tough one...but still works in the program's favour. But, to be honest, I don't find it to be quite as "smokey" as the rest.

And how does it work in the program owner's favour, you ask. Well, ask a consumer what a one day trial means to them. Chances are, they will say 24 hours. And, this may be the case with your program, but most I've tested consider a one day trial to end at midnight, on the day of sign-up. So, when the surfer signs up at 10:00 P.M., they are not going to expect that the trial will be over in 2 hours, and then rebilling.

Plus, throw in some cross-sells, which I do know your program is fond of using. Then, there's a whole new angle. Does the consumer just need to cancel the main membership, or each individually. We know that it's a case of "individually"...

My point is, anyone that tries to claim that all these things aren't in place to try and confuse the consumer, is absolutely full of shit.

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Oh, I'm sorry, did I forget to add TCG into the Rogue list.

You still don't get it it is illegal for any of us to use deceptive practices.
Don?t you think if what your talking about was true all the programs using Epoch would be at risk?
Just use your peanut once in a while.

People can cancel at anytime

Shoehorn! · 11-11-2004, 04:47 PM

Damn, thats pretty fucking shady. Glad he didn't get away with it.

Pornkings · 11-11-2004, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
The one day trial is a tough one...but still works in the program's favour. But, to be honest, I don't find it to be quite as "smokey" as the rest.

And how does it work in the program owner's favour, you ask. Well, ask a consumer what a one day trial means to them. Chances are, they will say 24 hours. And, this may be the case with your program, but most I've tested consider a one day trial to end at midnight, on the day of sign-up. So, when the surfer signs up at 10:00 P.M., they are not going to expect that the trial will be over in 2 hours, and then rebilling.

One day means 24hrs I don't think anyone can change that with Epoch.

we also have 1 hour free trial and people can cancel.

there must be a good reason why epoch has that verbiage there maybe its to detour fraudulant surfers.

49thParallel · 11-11-2004, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings
You still don't get it it is illegal for any of us to use deceptive practices.
Don?t you think if what your talking about was true all the programs using Epoch would be at risk?
Just use your peanut once in a while.

People can cancel at anytime

Again discounting the use of a good legal team. Yes, you have the trial clause in your terms and conditions. So, yes, it is legal. But, do you have in legible print on your order form " Trial Rebills if not cancelled 24 hours before end of trial". Nope..you don't.

So, legal, yes....ethical..not in a long shot.

jimmyf · 11-11-2004, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Nice catch, I'm really glad to hear TCG checks with the affiliate before making such a transfer. Makes me feel better at night

WG

every sponsors should have some kind of checks built into there system.

Jace · 11-11-2004, 04:59 PM

my question is, how many programs let someone switch their payment method simply by an email?

that is what worries me the most about this...

no program should ever let someone change ANYTHING without making a secure request from the affiliates members area...and if you don't have a secure form within the members area for affiliates, then you're doing something wrong...get it now!

49thParallel · 11-11-2004, 05:02 PM

Quote: "One day means 24hrs I don't think anyone can change that with Epoch.

we also have 1 hour free trial and people can cancel.

there must be a good reason why epoch has that verbiage there maybe its to detour fraudulant surfers." End of Quote

And I am willing to eat humble pie. I will once again try a sign-up through your program or another through epoch. And, I will wait until the end of trial...ie. if it says 3 days, I will wait unti the thrird day. Maybe things have changed. If so, great.

On a side note... Do I know what I am talking about? You bet. In the past month alone I have discovered bugs in 3 of the adult industries largest programs, and a smaller one..and provided the support team with the details needed to fix them.

And, as you already know, before I even consider a program, I sign-up and run it through the mill. With 11 active memberships right now, believe me, even I don't need that much porn for self stimulation. (You might remember me from 2 years ago...when I signed up for your program, And then quickly sent you an email, to ensure that the sign-up wasn't credited to my acoount).

Just a couple of notes to ensure you... I am not talking out of my ass.

baddog · 11-11-2004, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
i can only assume he found out the pornkings account name and emailed TCG support asking for payout to be changed to his epassporte

That is why I always insist on user name and first 3 characters of their password before I make any changes to affiliates info. Sometimes affiliates ask why I insist upoin this, but this is why.

SteveLightspeed · 11-11-2004, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
A more apt thread heading would have been...A adult program trying to steal money from consumers...

Oh, but wait, pre-checked cross-sells and trials that need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial or else they rebill aren't meant to trick the consumer into rebilling, are they.

Don't worry, it's nothing personal, I think the practices of lightspeedcash, Adult.com, Top Bucks, and the rest of the crowd who use these tricks, to be equally scummy.

And what the hell do I mean, tricking the consumer...geez...it's common sense to read the first 200 to 500 words of the small T & C's to find out about the trial cancellation policy, right? No way in hell that is designed to trick people, is it?

I'm not sure how Lightspeedcash got thrown into this discussion, since we don't have trials, or use prechecked crosssells, and our member can cancel anytime right up to his rebill HOUR. (I think the CCBill standard TOS says they need to notify us with 24 hours to spare, but they can use our (or ccbill's) automated cancel forms any time.

We have always focused on a positive surfer experience. We treat our surfers, members, affiliates, vendors, employees, models, and friends like GOLD. We know these people are the lifeblood of our business, we're not going to fuck any of them over.

I'd appreciate you having your facts straight before you include Lightspeedcash in a bashing thread next time.

Steve Lightspeed

11-11-2004, 02:37 PM	#1
Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	A webmaster trying to steal money Program owners Beware Thanks TCG for catching it and I can't belive he tried to get TCG to pay him our sales. Paycom this is his epassporte acount if you have info on him please contact me Hi, For one better security, It would like to receive all my payments by Epassporte. My id epassporte: flavinho78 My ID : aerowebex I am wating..many Thanks. aero __________________ Pornkings.com

11-11-2004, 02:46 PM	#4
Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	Everyone should be a little worried. If TCG didn't know our acount who knows what would have happend. Just letting all the Program Owners who pay webmaster thru epassport to double check when someone is trying to switch from checking to epassporte. Good job TCG this really pisses me off I wonder how many acounts he has stolen Here is his email info Medianet INC [mailto:[email protected]] __________________ Pornkings.com

11-11-2004, 02:51 PM	#7
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11-11-2004, 03:06 PM	#13
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	ePassporte, just as with PayPal, allows you to move money to someone with simply a username (or with PayPal, an email address). This is why it is important to know your affiliates. Just as Visa has the know your customer rule, you should know your affiliates. Nice catch on the part of TCG. eP Risk Management will be hearing about this guy. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

11-11-2004, 02:38 PM	#2
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	wow, thats real scummy. good to hear he didnt get away with it

11-11-2004, 02:39 PM	#3
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	I'll keep my eyes peeled.

11-11-2004, 02:48 PM	#5
rocki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 988	you forgot this losers email roger... if you own a program please beware of this guy... he has already done this before in the past... From: Medianet INC [mailto:[email protected]]

11-11-2004, 02:49 PM	#6
rocki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 988	oops... im too slow... hehe

11-11-2004, 03:24 PM	#14
Trixxxia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 5,600	Wow! Good thing they caught it in time!

11-11-2004, 03:26 PM	#15
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	Nice catch, I'm really glad to hear TCG checks with the affiliate before making such a transfer. Makes me feel better at night WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-11-2004, 04:24 PM	#16
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	A more apt thread heading would have been...A adult program trying to steal money from consumers... Oh, but wait, pre-checked cross-sells and trials that need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial or else they rebill aren't meant to trick the consumer into rebilling, are they. Don't worry, it's nothing personal, I think the practices of lightspeedcash, Adult.com, Top Bucks, and the rest of the crowd who use these tricks, to be equally scummy. And what the hell do I mean, tricking the consumer...geez...it's common sense to read the first 200 to 500 words of the small T & C's to find out about the trial cancellation policy, right? No way in hell that is designed to trick people, is it?

11-11-2004, 04:32 PM	#18
LA Mike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 3,056	A webmaster... or about 10,000 webmasters?

11-11-2004, 04:47 PM	#26
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	Damn, thats pretty fucking shady. Glad he didn't get away with it. __________________

11-11-2004, 04:59 PM	#30
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	my question is, how many programs let someone switch their payment method simply by an email? that is what worries me the most about this... no program should ever let someone change ANYTHING without making a secure request from the affiliates members area...and if you don't have a secure form within the members area for affiliates, then you're doing something wrong...get it now!

11-11-2004, 05:02 PM	#31
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Quote: "One day means 24hrs I don't think anyone can change that with Epoch. we also have 1 hour free trial and people can cancel. there must be a good reason why epoch has that verbiage there maybe its to detour fraudulant surfers." End of Quote And I am willing to eat humble pie. I will once again try a sign-up through your program or another through epoch. And, I will wait until the end of trial...ie. if it says 3 days, I will wait unti the thrird day. Maybe things have changed. If so, great. On a side note... Do I know what I am talking about? You bet. In the past month alone I have discovered bugs in 3 of the adult industries largest programs, and a smaller one..and provided the support team with the details needed to fix them. And, as you already know, before I even consider a program, I sign-up and run it through the mill. With 11 active memberships right now, believe me, even I don't need that much porn for self stimulation. (You might remember me from 2 years ago...when I signed up for your program, And then quickly sent you an email, to ensure that the sign-up wasn't credited to my acoount). Just a couple of notes to ensure you... I am not talking out of my ass. Last edited by 49thParallel; 11-11-2004 at 05:03 PM..