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so she'll die before 2035

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SuckOnThis

I did tape record most of it, I have it around here somewhere and maybe I'll transcript it. I don't think this chick was making this shit up, she was calling me crying for a week straight over it. She also said that during these attacks most the major casinos in Vegas were taken out, NY was hit, Atlanta, Denver, DC and LA. All in the same day. To this day I tell myself maybe its bullshit, and I figured if Kerry was elected then it would prove it wrong. Now I'm not so sure.

CET

No he wouldn't, he conceded. Dick Cheney would become president.

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SmutGiant

That's crazy. Definetly would have freaked me out.... it kinda DOES freak me out actually.

CET

What is that a picture of and what did you say?

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CET

Past life regression = bullshit
Future life visit = bigger bullshit
Hypnotism = parlor trick

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SuckOnThis

That was another thing she was freaking out about. Afterwards she kept saying she wasnt going to live very much longer.
She believed she was a 19 year old male at the time. The funny thing is she didnt believe in past lives, we were laying in bed and I asked her if she wanted to try it. I know this shit sounds completely bizarre but I couldnt make this up nor would I want to.

OzMan

That would be cool if you could transcript it.

I believe that the future contains an infinite set of possibilities, that nothing is set in stone/destiny fate and that we create our future by our actions and thoughts now.

Having said that, if a number of individuals are saying generally the same things, then that makes it one of the more likely possibilities. I have heard elements of yours and the original post from many different sources and some of it rings true.

I am certainly not a tin foil conspiracy type guy but being informed ahead of time about some likely outcomes is certainly wise and may even help avert or lessen some of the possible negative events.

BRISK

In the event that this stuff happens, I plan to move to a South Pacific island where I will promptly take over the native population and rule them as their self-appointed fascist leader.

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CET

Post apocyliptic stories are popular with the masses. We have been predicting our own demise since the beginning of man. Happy stories about the future just wouldn't be popular at all. What if someone came back and said "the 2035 is SO much better then your time is!"? We'd all be bored in about a half second.

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SuckOnThis

You're talking about stuff you know nothing about. Future life, very possible its bullshit. Past life, I've done it to hundreds of people and I personally have no doubt its valid. You can believe what you want, I really don't give a shit. And as far as you saying hypnosis is a 'parlor trick', well that truly shows your ignorance.

Napolean

speaking of all this, i actually had a real weird dream last night that i couldnt find a job because of my age and not serving the military.. like instead of the draft.. you just couldnt get a job without enlisting to the army first.

was weird, that would definately suck tho

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Jay_StandAhead

so she'll die in the nuclear war of 2015 that titor was talking about

starting to make sense!

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Napolean

if we meet in vegas you wanna hypnotise me and record me talking about my past life?

that would actually be really interesting

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OzMan

Yes "blissfull" ignorance indeed.

Nothing personal CET but you could probably read 100 books on it and talk to 1000 ppl and still think its crap. As I said to another hardline skeptic Battuss a while ago, if you are not open to at least consider new possibilities nothing will change for you.


Anyhow SuckOnThis grab some coffee and get working on those transcripts. I expect them done by the morning.

SuckOnThis

I couldnt agree with you more. I don't think the future is set in stone simply due to the fact that man has free will. But I do believe there are more probable futures based on factors in play at that time. Then there's some that prescribe to the theory that the past, present and future are happening all at once, which I have a hard time grasping.

Jay_StandAhead

if you don't believe in hypnosis, go to www.hypnotrick.com


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OzMan

Yes I changed my views a year ago or so from believing in past/future lives to believing in multiple simultaneous incarnations independent of time and space. Definitely harder to grasp but makes a lot more sense to me.

CET

Hypnotism is a parlor trick, nothing else.

http://www.randi.org/jr/020604monk.html#5

http://www.randi.org/jr/06-01-01.html

"In any case, hypnosis is merely an agreement between the subject and the operator that they will fantasize together, nothing more. It may well have some limited value as a psychiatric tool, but it's not a "power," it's not a "force," it's a role-playing game, and only highly emotional persons will react as Ms. Howarth did."

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do


If you can do past life regression and you have no doubt that they are valid, then that means reincarnation is a fact. If it's a fact, then we ought to be able to find SOME evidence for it outside of using hypnotism.

If hypnotism is more then a parlor trick and past life regression is real, why are you getting pissed off at me? My not believing in something isn't going to make it untrue. I think you already doubt its validity and are simply lashing out.

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SuckOnThis

It does make sense to the degree that time only exists in this dimension, and I'm sure its entirely possible. But its one of those things that the brain has a hard time comprehending, kind of the same thing as where did God come from or where does the universe end. I'll make a point of transcripting it by tomorrow afternoon and post it in this thread.

CET

I have no dogma, so I don't give a shit what's real and what's not, I just want to know what is real. Hypnotism is real, but it's only a parlor trick, nothing more, nothing less. Ever since movies like The Manchurian Candidate, people have given hypnotism WAY too much credit. It's an agreement between two people to fantasize together and roleplay.

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CET

On a side note, I find it intersting that because someone doesn't agree with you, that means they don't know what they're talking about. All I had given you to this point was 3 simple equations that gave no idication of education or experience. Yet you assumed that I had none. Your argument looks kind of like this:

Disagreement = ignorance

For all you know, I may be a psychtherapist who has done extensive studies on hypnosis. You don't know shit about me, but you're going to make baseless assumptions. You have shown how weak your position is and you know it.

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SuckOnThis

I am only lashing out at you because right away you say its bullshit, which I understand most people don't believe it to begin with. I don't try to push reincarnation onto anyone, but as far as hypnosis goes it is widely accepted in even mainstream psychology, which is how I got started in it as a psych major in college. If you understood how the conscious and subconscious mind worked you would realize that it makes complete sense. There are many myths about hypnosis which maybe has caused you to doubt is validity, such as a person under hypnosis can be made to do things they normally wouldnt do, or that they are completely unaware of whats going on, none of thats true. All hypnosis does is bypass the conscious mind to get to the subconscious.

OzMan

He KNOWS hypnosis to be valid based on his experience.

You BELIEVE hypnosis to be invalid based on what you think after having read about it. I am sure if your scepticism was based on your years as a psychotherapist you would have mentioned it before now.

It is natural to be pissed at someone who doubts what you know to be true. We are not talking about is there a God or something that can't be proven, we are talking about hypnosis which is something that is used successfully every day by trained practitioners worldwide.

smack

2/3 of us are dead in 2012. who cares?

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OzMan

I'd like to be in the one third left

Well you have two choices if you think your number will be up tomorrow or in 2012, both of which can happen.

1) Party till then as "fuck it what's the point"

or 2) Make use of every day

dunefield

So who's the undercover FBI agent

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smack

i'm pretty sure i will be in the 1/3 if i can enlighten myself by then.

by the way it's not set in stone. if humanity can turn itself around we have a chance.

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VeriSexy

BINGO

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VeriSexy

That would make sense cause the only thing keeping weed legal in Canada in USA. If USA would be under war and become weak, then it would no longer have influence on Canada. Once it's legal in Canada then it would give no choice but to legalize it.

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BRISK

I don't think the US is the only reason keeping weed from being fully legal in Canada. I seem to remember reading that Canada actually began its war on drugs before the US.

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VeriSexy

Well that was before, Canada has become more and more liberal.

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BRISK

True, but I think it's unrealistic to expect any country to just fully legalize it. But it's good to see Canada making baby steps towards fully legalizing it.

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TTiger

rumor said that our prime minister paul martin have been caught with drugs inside one of his ships

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TTiger

any quebecer jeff fillion of andré arthur fans here?

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Pornopat

Probably as a medication against pain with all those predicted attacks..

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Repetitive Monkey

He didn't say that hypnosis wasn't valid, he said that it was a parlor trick. You are using a straw man argument to shoot him down, and that certainly is not valid.

the_wizz

Someone needs to lay OFF the crack pipe.

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VeriSexy

I was looking up info on country debts and found this

Is a USA Economic Collapse Due in 2005?

"The whole world is hostage to the misconceived economic policies of a dollar standard out of control."

The US Senate just reconfirmed 78-year-old Alan Greenspan to an unprecedented fifth term as chairman of the world's most powerful central bank, the Federal Reserve, or Fed as it is known. The fact that President Bush re-nominated Greenspan underscores how vulnerable the global financial edifice is, and not how excellent a central banker Greenspan is.

On the surface, world growth appears to be expanding finally, after severe recession and the 60% fall of the US stock market in 2000-2001. The Federal Reserve says it is so confident that growth in the US economy is taking firm hold, that it raised its key interest rate from a record low 1% to 1.25% last month, signaling it would slowly bring rates up to "neutral" levels of 3.5-4.5% over coming months. Around the world, strong growth of exports are being reported from Brazil to Mexico to South Korea. Growth in China is so strong the government is worried it is overheating. In Europe, the UK is expanding at the fastest pace in 15 years. France expects GDP to grow by 2.5%, and even Germany is talking about stronger export growth. The driver is US economic growth.

The problem with this optimistic picture is the fact it is entirely based on the dollar and unprecedented creation of cheap dollar credit by Greenspan and the Bush Administration. Their only short-term goal has been to keep the US economy strong enough to assure re-election for George Bush in November. Washington reports are that Bush made a deal to re-appoint Greenspan on the promise Greenspan would keep the economy growing until the elections. They have done this by a combination of historic low interest rates, rates only seen before in times of war or depression, and by stimulating the economy by record budget deficit spending, issuing government bonds to finance it. The world has been flooded with cheap dollars as a result.

What is clear now is that this unsustainable effort is likely to come to an end sometime in 2005, just after the elections, regardless of who is President. Given the scale of the money-printing by the Fed and the US Treasury since 2001, it is pre-programmed that the "correction" of the latest Greenspan credit binge will impact the entire global financial and economic system. Some economists fear a new Great Depression like the 1930's. The world today depends on cheap US dollar credit. When US interest rates are finally forced higher, dramatic shocks will hit Europe, Asia and the entire global economy, unlike any seen since the 1930's. Debts that now appear manageable will suddenly become un-payable. Defaults and bankruptcies will spread as they did in the wake of the 1931 Creditanstalt collapse.

The US Home Bubble

The official US myth is that the recession of 2000-2001 ended in November 2001 and "recovery" has been underway ever since. The reality is not so positive. Using record low interest rates, the Fed has lured American families into debt at record rates, creating what might be called a "virtual recovery," financed by record amounts of new consumer debt. There has never been a recovery before in which debt levels increase, rather the opposite.

The American dream of owning an own home has been the source of the record lending, helped by the lowest interest rates in 43 years. Greenspan has often boasted this has been what has propped the US economy since 2001. When families buy a home, they need furniture, they employ construction workers, electricians, engineers, and the economy grows. Record low interest rates have made it very easy for families to get a bank loan, using their home equity as collateral or guarantee. These loans, tied to the rising real estate prices, allowed American families to finance new furniture, cars, and countless more. In 2003 banks made a record $324 billion in such home equity loans, on top of $1 trillion in new mortgage loans.

All this economic consumption has created the illusion of a recovering economy. Behind the surface, a huge debt burden has built up. Since 1997, the total of home mortgage debt for Americans has risen 94% to a colossal $7.4 trillion, a debt of some $120,000 for a family of four. Bank loans for real estate purchases have risen since 1997 by 200%, to $2.4 trillion. Average US home prices have risen by 50% in the period since 1998. In 2003 alone a record total of $1 trillion in new mortgage loans were made. In 1997 mortgages totalled $202 billion.

In many parts of the US, home price inflation has become alarming. An apartment in Manhattan is now above $1 million. Home prices in Boston have risen by 64% in five years. California real estate prices are soaring. On average US home prices have risen 50% in six years, an unprecedented rise, driven by Greenspan's easy credit. In seven years to 2004, prices of US homes had risen on paper by $7 trillion to a total of $15 trillion, the highest in US history. The problem is so obviously dangerous, that Greenspan recently was forced to deny existence of any real estate "bubble," much as he denied a dot.com stock bubble in 2000.

But that is exactly what he has created with his low interest rates. The dot.com bubble has been transformed into a larger and more threatening real estate bubble. Families have been convinced to invest in a home as an alternative to buying stocks for their pension years.

The rise in home prices has been driven by cheap interest rates and banks rushing to lend with abandon. Because two semi-government agencies, the Federal National Mortgage Association, known as FannieMae, and the Government National Mortgage Association, or GinnieMae buy up the bank's mortgage contracts, taking the risk from the local banks, so the local lending bank has less pressure to guarantee that he lends to low-risk credit-worthy families likely to repay the loan.

The US Congress has passed new laws making it even easier for families to buy homes with no penny of their own money required initially as "down payment." This has meant a huge rise in mortgage loans to economically marginal or risky families. The number of such risky or "sub-prime" mortgage loans has risen by 70% this year alone, and now makes up 18% of all US mortgages. Many of these risky mortgages are made under "adjustable rate mortgages". Today adjustable rates are low, just above 4%. Because of this some 35% of all new mortgages are adjustable today.

So long as rates stay low, the roulette wheel of debt rolls on. The problem begins when interest rates rise and families, lured into buying a home with variable interest rate payments, suddenly find their monthly cost of paying the mortgage has exploded as interest rates rise. At that point, US banks will face a serious bad loan problem, far worse than that of 1990-92 when several of the largest US banks were on the brink of failure. US rates began to rise significantly in May, and the Fed was forced to raise its official rate on June 30 for the first time in four years. Many banks have loans written in adjustable mortgage rates. As US interest rates continue to rise over the next twelve months or so, that will trigger a wave of mortgage defaults. Some industry experts fear a "bloodbath" in 2005.

The American family is highly indebted, not just for their home. The Federal Reserve data show a total US debt level now above $35 trillions, or some $ 450,000 for a typical family of four. Average consumer debt for credit cards, autos and such is at record highs. Carmakers continue to offer car loans, with loans for up to six or even seven years. Many Americans owe more on their car than it is worth. The debt grows. As long as Fed rates are at 43 year lows, the debt is manageable. When US rates rise, it becomes unmanageable for many. The rise has begun. There are two ways rates are likely to rise from here.

First, the Fed itself has been forced to act, raising its Fed funds rate the first time since four years, to 1.25% from 1% on June 30. It had no choice. Greenspan has claimed for months that the US recovery was "strong" and that rates would return to "normal" soon. It was a calculated bluff. Had he not acted as US jobs data convinced investors recovery might be real, he faced a major crisis of confidence in the dollar. The Bush Administration reportedly manipulated employment statistics to show better job growth for the election.

Ever since raising rates, Greenspan has calmed nervous markets by stating that future rises will be ever so gradual. In other words: don't worry, speculators. But if he is to keep the confidence of the large bond markets, he must convince them that he is still vigilant against inflation. That is tough when prices for everything from copper to oil to lumber to soybeans and scrap steel are rising from 50% to 110% over recent months. His only anti-inflation tool is higher interest rates, or promise of same. The longer he fails to raise rates as prices rise, the greater the risk of a dollar crisis, as foreign investors fear the worst, namely that the US economy is in far worse shape than officials admit. The Fed is in a trap.

Yet higher interest rates threaten to explode the trillion dollar home mortgage debt bubble, where home values are estimated to be at least 20% overvalued nationally, or $3 trillion.

When private bond investors such as major pension funds and banks lose confidence in Greenspan's inflation commitment, the only other source of support for low interest rates would be the willingness of Japan and China above all, to pour billions more of their dollars into buying US bonds.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ENG407A.html

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crockett

Sure you did.. you just don't know you posted it yet because you did it in the future.

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12clicks

so this is what its come down to, eh?
the misguided youth of the interent rooting against their country by inventing their own fantasy reality.


and they wonder why they lost.

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Clicky_Bucks

stocktrader is a big pussy who is now a big crying baby.

I bet he's glad he didn't take my 1000 dollar bet now.

Oh wait, I'm sure he would have welched by saying, "the election was rigged, you owe me 1000 bucks".

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WarChild

Seek help.

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And be like you?