Libertine

Yes they were. You misrepresented my position and then attacked it, used grouping me with others as an argument, etc. Maybe you should do some more research with regards to the logic of arguments, because right now, you don't understand it at all.

If you state something within a discussion and actually use it as some sort of argument and attack on someone, you are implicitly opening it up to criticism.
The dictator/communist comment, ofcourse, is rhetorical bullshit.

I don't think I ever even used the word "bigot" except when replying to you calling me that.
I also don't see how terms like "ignorant" are politically correct terms, and I most certainly never concerned myself with being politically correct.

As for my "original presumption"... anyone in the Netherlands who watches the news knows that I am right. So far, since the murder on Theo van Gogh, people have attempted to set fire to 5 different mosques, people have set off a bomb at a muslim elementary school, in a bunch of cities people have been distributing anti-muslim pamphlets, etc.

You talk shit but don't know the facts.

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Nylz

I sale cheap translators..

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BRISK

Are you mocking my babel Fish skills?

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Nylz

hehe

your skills just aren't l33t enough I guess

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Repetitive Monkey

I am so hurt by your "bad words," however I will try to take solace in the fact that I am capable of discussing any topic without throwing shit and acting out deeply motivated anger when I disagree, and that I don't have the disturbing life experience and/or mental disability needed to force myself to nitpick the entirely subjective for two pages under the ignorant assumption that words that were written several times right in front of me were never a part of consensus reality.

Repetitive Monkey

Precisely.

Libertine

And, once again, you have no actual arguments whatsoever. You're starting to get somewhat boring. You dodging every real point in the discussion was amusing at first, but it's gotten kinda old

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Repetitive Monkey

It's interesting that you would be the one to post this.

You still suffer from the form of psychosis that hinders you from remembering my posts. I have already repeated my argumentation for viewing you as a leftie ad nauseam.

Ask someone else how they view you if you can't get over it. Perhaps they will answer differently and your mind can finally come to peace.

Libertine

Your "argumentation" consists of a bunch of straw man arguments. It may come as a shock to you, but you repeating straw man arguments ad nauseam doesn't make them any more valid.

Oh, and I was actually referring to the original discussion. You know, the situation in the Netherlands right now? Oh, wait... that's right - you don't.

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mule

I see you know many imams. I don't know any, so I can only go by what I read in the newspaper, from which I've gathered that only a few of the imams in Holland hold these views. Guess the reporters were wrong.

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mrthumbs

Thats actually funny

Godsmack

Finaly some sence.. thank you..

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Repetitive Monkey

It is not a straw man argument or logical fallacy to have the opinion that if something quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. *You* are most likely a duck (purely metaphorically, silly). I have seen you quack and walk for a long time on GFY.

Therefore my opinion of you as a hypocrite (not as ignorant or prejudiced, those "accusations" were tools used to display my subjective point) still exists.

If you disagree with this rationale and still feel the need to insert varying degrees of psychosis into replies to my posts, then I must turn around and apply your own logic to your posts in an effort to show you how ridiculous the whole thing is. You like?

SR

Yeps they are wrong.

Salvar

Fuck all these extrimists

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Libertine

And still he doesn't see it...

Dude, your "duck" is undefined. You've mentioned "me and mine", "us all", "people like me", my "peers in intention and action", and the closest you came to actually saying something is "to the left side of the political spectrum" (after all, politics only consists of "left" and "right", right?).

You've grouped me with an undefined group, called that group hypocrites (which they may be, since I have no idea of who they are and if their political positions actually resemble mine), implied that I use "politically correct" language, said I "throw around words like 'bigot' and 'prejudiced'", etc.
Tons of straw man arguments there...

There is no rationale to what you're doing. It's a barrage of nonsense, implying that I have some sort of undefined political position which is supposedly hypocritical (but who knows? it's kinda hard to answer when no actual clear statements are made on what that political position is).


For once, be clear: what do you think my political position is, and who are you talking about when you refer to "you all"?

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Repetitive Monkey

You are really going for a walk there, psychoworld. I have already defined it deeper than your straw man presents (you misrepresented me and what I have said by ommission). If you choose to ignore it, then take it on your own robe, and don't come around here and accuse me of not being clear enough purely to increae your post count one notch.

crockett

We already have these Dutch people on our watch list .. notice the first result for the search "Netherlands" on google..

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=Netherlands



we invade you guys next.. there are just too many Dutch webmasters ..

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Libertine

You haven't defined it at all. All you've said are things like "people of your opinions", "people like you", "your peers in intention and action", "people with your ideals", "people of your opinions on race", etc., and a single "to the left side of the political spectrum".

Now, in your little world such meaningless innuendos perhaps count as a solid argumentation, but for the rest of us, they don't.



Now, once again, the question: what do you think my political position is, and who are you talking about when you refer to "you all"?

Surely even you realize that avoiding the question continuously is making you look really, really stupid.

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JamesK2

terrorism is sad

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Repetitive Monkey

That is one large piece of...nothing. Anyone can see where I believe you to come from based on my writings. In fact, it is excessively clear to anyone with even the slightest trace of intelligence and literacy.

I believe you to be part of the general politically correct choir (like I have already posted), and the whole point here is that I could apply your own curse words back on you (you have already used many of the words on many a occasion, so you can't dodge it). Are you really not able to comprehend this?

You desperately need to consult some professionals and get a resolve for whatever is wrong with either your level of literacy or your social intelligence.

jimmyf

talk and then talk some more

some more of them will get killed and they will talk some more or call the UN

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Repetitive Monkey

Edit: If you really do suffer from a mental dysfunction or a psychosis then I am sorry for questioning your literacy and/or intelligence.

Platinumpimp

I am European.

People like you definately crack me up ass well btw, so whats your point exactly?

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Repetitive Monkey

I think he referred to educated Europeans. How do you fit yourself under that adjective?






























Just pulling your leg.

Libertine

It is completely vague, and mixes several things together which have nothing to do with eachother.
You are undoubtedly thinking about terms like "the left" and "politically correct", but those terms are too broad to mean anything.

Aside from that, in my case, they are simply false (my political position is closest to libertarianism or classical liberalism and political correctness has never concerned me in the least).

By not making the actual statements you managed to avoid the burden of proof, and were able to keep on relying on empty innuendos instead of actual arguments. (what response can there be to "you're one of those people"?)

Besides, even if I were one of those people (I'd like to meet them some time, if you don't like them they must have some pretty good ideas), that would still not invalidate my actual arguments. All it would mean is that you called me a hypocrite because I'm "one of them", with no further argumentation...

Once again, you're using a straw man argument. You group me with the "politically correct" (which, by the way, is too broad a term to mean anything), then attack that position.

However, you fail to give a real argument for why I would actually be "politically correct" (and no, accusing me of using words I don't use is not an actual argument, Corky).

Hmm... there is something wrong with me because you keep on using logical fallacies and relying on innuendo instead of argumentation?

Idiot

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Repetitive Monkey

You just can't come to acceptance with my opinion of you as being a hypocrite, can you?

You have already admitted to and shown your use of the mentioned words typically employed by the politically correct (in spite of your lie above about not using them), and your own opinions and words in this and many other threads have made it clear that, certainly, you have much in agreement with the politically correct and the more leftist side of the political scale (in terms of race, immigration, socialism, and so forth). Therefore, when I am given the option to apply one of these labels that you have enjoyed smearing on others back on you, I think of you as a hypocrite.

There's nothing to argue about that, nutty. In my view you are a hypocrite, and now, because of the way you have acted in this thread, I have other and more concerning opinions of you.

Repetitive Monkey

Here's something more for you to increase your postcount with;

It is typical of you politically correct lefties to not accept dissent or even innocently different opinions. Everything must be your way, and those who dare disagree will end up in the gulag, or at least receive their share of lame and overused epithets if you are not in power in some communist assdungeon of a country. You are the definition of intolerance.

Swallow the bait.

Repetitive Monkey

I am going out for a short while, but I'll be back soon enough. I have decided to throw your obsession a bone though. Show me why I should NOT view you as I do.

If you convince me that what I have read into your posts on this forum is not right, that you are not a politically correct little loser, then you will have my sincerest apologies and of course the full retraction of my comment.

Do I think you will be able to do so? No. But you are the one not accepting my opinion of you, so it's in your yard.

Pornopat

So much stupidity and hate in one thread.
The slaughter was done by an extremist moslim. Keyword here is not moslim but extremist. Get rid of extremist by putting them in jail.

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jimmyf

Now I like this. Man I really don't think you know how right you are.

If you don't mind I'll save this for my lefties friends, very good.

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Libertine

What do I have in agreement with "the politically correct" and "the more leftist side of the political scale"?

Facts, please, not innuendo.

Bullshit. Me calling you a fucking moron does not mean I don't think you shouldn't have freedom of speech.

The guy who just got killed here in Holland (whe the thread is about) used words like "goatfuckers" for muslims, called Muhammed "Allah's pimp", etc. That's also a part of freedom of speech - the freedom to call idiots idiots, to call morons morons, and to call pigfuckers pigfuckers.

Understand that, you idiotic pigfucking moron?



Now, as for my political position, here's a really short summary:

- I believe in as much social freedom as possible for the individual, insofar as it is compatible with as much social freedom as possible for everyone else.

- I believe in the free market and consider it to be the only possible way in which a country can be prosperous.

- I believe in self-ownership, and do not think that one should be forced to work for others (e.g. through means like taxes). However, one should pay taxes for the use of society (infrastructure, education for employees, police protection, etc).

- I believe that immigration should only be allowed to those who are willing and able to both be of economic value to a country and respect a nation's laws and structure. The only exception to this are people whose lives are in danger - they should get asylum until it is safe to return, but no longer than that.

- I believe that those who are able to work but refuse the opportunity, can starve in peace. No free handouts for the lazy.

- I believe that freedom of speech should always be completely free.

- I believe that those who fight society by means of violence (e.g. muslim fundamentalists), should be locked up.

- I believe that people of any race, sex, creed or whatever are fully responsible for their own actions, and should bear the consequences of them.

- I believe a country should be governed through rationality, not emotion.


Now, tell me, what in here makes me a "leftie" or "politically correct"?

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Repetitive Monkey

Your posts on this forum are leaning that way when you debate on topics associated with it. What issues that would be? I have already said that, don't make me repeat myself again, my senile friend.

Well, thank you for the compliments, they really warmed my heart! Because you are such a calm, kind, and rational individual, I'll just ignore the part of your post that you spent half an eternity to cook up, as I know that will enable your passion to get to the level where you can make even more of a fool out of yourself (completely without effort on my behalf).

Libertine

That last part was actually a joke, dumb-ass

Now stop trying to harass me on icq and get a life

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Repetitive Monkey

Oh, that's convenient. A joke. Submitting the rest of your epithet-filled posts as evidence, I suggest that you became enraged because you are such a poor debater and a pretty fucked up individual (no offense intended).

Libertine

"the freedom to call idiots idiots, to call morons morons, and to call pigfuckers pigfuckers.

Understand that, you idiotic pigfucking moron?"

My sense of humor may not be great, but I'd think that it's clear that that's a joke. I don't get enraged at message board personas.

Now, I'm off to play Halo. Cheers

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you 2 should get a room

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Repetitive Monkey

No, if other people can't get away with jokes, analogies, or metaphorical comments without you taking it literally just to disagree, then how do you expect to get away with it yourself? And here I thought you said that you are not a hypocrite.

Therefore you did not joke, you became enraged because you don't have any arguments for whatever discussion it is that you have attempted.

Repetitive Monkey

I tried to get him on ICQ, but he was scared of talking live. Go figure.

Libertine

Dude, you're starting to ramble rather incoherently

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Shoehorn!

At least this time hes not trying to stick up for someone who has been proven wrong on a number of occasions like he was the other night.

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Repetitive Monkey

Great, now you understand how I view your posts.

Repetitive Monkey

I stuck up for...who?

Are you sure you are not confusing me with someone else? I can't remember having stuck up for someone on this forum, especially not "the other night."