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Gynecologist · 11-08-2004, 05:52 AM

50 dead muslims

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
By the way, you should read up on what a straw man argument is. I didn't build a straw man for me to shoot down, since all I did was mentioning the existence of the terminology that you admittedly use.

The term straw man is broader than that, sparky. It also includes misrepresenting someone's viewpoints, then critizing those. And guess what? Terminology is an integral part of someones position in a debate. (and no, I did not "admit" that "me and mine throw the words 'prejudiced,' 'ignorant,' 'bigot' all over the place")

Platinumpimp · 11-08-2004, 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by gxer
you will be surprised how it's easy , really.
It was proven by Stalin.
All you need is 100-200 railway wagons and
over 1 night all shit will be out of your OWN country.
believe me.

Hey this isn't 2nd world war you idiot

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
"You all"? Who is "you all"? I could've sworn that I'm a single person... I see no crowd around me, cheering me on while I type out posts.

And what's up with all the straw man arguments? I have no idea what your political perceptions are, much less do I shove you and those who share them with you into a single category.

The real difference is that you're an idiot who seems to derive some perverse pleasure from logical fallacies.

You all, yes. People of your opinions on race go into the same category in my view. You have the same terminology, ways of doing things, and ideals, as I have already mentioned. I don't understand why you gripe about this. Wait, I do! You want to steer the discussion away from the easily drawn conclusion that you are a prejudicial and ignorant bigot, the very opposite of what you try to make yourself out to be.

Platinumpimp · 11-08-2004, 05:55 AM

terrorizing these schools with bombs is just as bad. What they need to do is take proper action against ALL extremists, not to all the people that are muslim, that is rediculous.

SR · 11-08-2004, 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Doesn't allowing them to live in the country help them learn more about Dutch lifestyle?

They are here to teach muslims about the islam.
That's what i'm talking about.

Gynecologist · 11-08-2004, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by gxer
finally. someone undertsand what's going on !

Now, the question is :
why it was always easy to get permanent residence for Somali refugee and not to Polish or
Czech people ?
And such practice is in every West European country.
Who decided to allow access from Africa and Asia and not from Czech or Poland ?
Now, you have a new chechen refugees in EU, do you think they will start to work hard for your country ? No.

I could easily answer your question as to why western governments have switched to pro-third world immigration policies but it might get me kicked off of this board.

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by SR
They are here to teach muslims about the islam.
That's what i'm talking about.

and what's wrong with that?

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
*Your* premises are flawed, you were the one to make prejudicial assumptions about how large and what kind of group one would have in the "aim."

[...]

The fact remains, sidetracking efforts aside.

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:05 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
You all, yes. People of your opinions on race go into the same category in my view. You have the same terminology, ways of doing things, and ideals, as I have already mentioned. I don't understand why you gripe about this. Wait, I do! You want to steer the discussion away from the easily drawn conclusion that you are a prejudicial and ignorant bigot, the very opposite of what you try to make yourself out to be.

Are you really THIS stupid?

I am not making myself out to be anything. I combine facts with reason, a concept apparently completely alien to you.

Now, the reason that I object to you stating that my viewpoints belong to some vague, undefined ideology of which only you know what it is is quite simple: I won't accept some moron grouping me with people and viewpoints I don't know or accept.

Your only argument appears to be that I am "one of them". Who the hell are "they"?!

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:07 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Are you really THIS stupid?

I am not making myself out to be anything. I combine facts with reason, a concept apparently completely alien to you.

Now, the reason that I object to you stating that my viewpoints belong to some vague, undefined ideology of which only you know what it is is quite simple: I won't accept some moron grouping me with people and viewpoints I don't know or accept.

Your only argument appears to be that I am "one of them". Who the hell are "they"?!

You have long since resorted to epithets and anger, I think it is fair to say that this discussion, or rather sidetracking attempt, is over.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
I could easily answer your question as to why western governments have switched to pro-third world immigration policies but it might get me kicked off of this board.

I don't think Lensman has the habit of banning people based on political convictions or opinions, so I'd encourage you to share yours.

SR · 11-08-2004, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
and what's wrong with that?

Please go back under your rock.

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:10 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
I don't think Lensman has the habit of banning people based on political convictions or opinions, so I'd encourage you to share yours.

Agreed.

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by SR
Please go back under your rock.

There's a weak non-answer

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
The fact remains, sidetracking efforts aside.

What sidetracking? And what fact?

I make the assumption that the aim will be too broad when citizens take "the fight" into their own hands on what I see in society. You see, I'm Dutch, and in in my own society I see how most of the anger that should be aimed at extremism is instead aimed at islam as a whole.

I also read in the paper this morning that a bomb went off at a muslim school here in Holland, which confirms my statement that "the enemy" will be taken too broadly when people "take care of things themselves".

Any other questions?

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
most of the anger that should be aimed at extremism is instead aimed at islam as a whole.

Agreed.

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
You have long since resorted to epithets and anger, I think it is fair to say that this discussion, or rather sidetracking attempt, is over.

If it is, you are the clear loser. You used more straw man arguments in this discussion than most people use in an entire discussion.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
What sidetracking? And what fact?

I make the assumption that the aim will be too broad when citizens take "the fight" into their own hands on what I see in society. You see, I'm Dutch, and in in my own society I see how most of the anger that should be aimed at extremism is instead aimed at islam as a whole.

I also read in the paper this morning that a bomb went off at a muslim school here in Holland, which confirms my statement that "the enemy" will be taken too broadly when people "take care of things themselves".

Any other questions?

Prejudicial "people" always seek to explain away their hate and bigotry, wouldn't you all agree?

SR · 11-08-2004, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
There's a weak non-answer

Weak yes but I don't see why I would have to explain that this is not right.

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Prejudicial "people" always seek to explain away their hate and bigotry, wouldn't you all agree?

Once again, you prove that you're a clueless idiot who has no real arguments whatsoever and instead resorts to empty accusations.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
If it is, you are the clear loser. You used more straw man arguments in this discussion than most people use in an entire discussion.

Yes, because clearly *I* am the one using epithets and the one raining my frustration out on an online message board.

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by SR
Weak yes but I don't see why I would have to explain that this is not right.

Assuming you'd like people to join your way of thinking, teaching people why you believe what you do is the first step to accomplishing that goal.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Once again, you prove that you're a clueless idiot who has no real arguments whatsoever and instead resorts to empty accusations.

Ohh, look at how many bad words you can throw at me! You are sooo big and your brain is sooooo succulent!

Thanks for the excuse to lower myself to your level. It's quite educational.

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Yes, because clearly *I* am the one using epithets and the one raining my frustration out on an online message board.

No, because you are the one who's not using any actual arguments and instead resorts to logical fallacies.

I may call you an idiot, a moron, a feeble-minded fool, an ignoramus, a dimwit, a dipshit, an ass, a boob, a dunce or even a retard, but the insults are accompanied by actual arguments.

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Ohh, look at how many bad words you can throw at me! You are sooo big and your brain is sooooo succulent!

Thanks for the excuse to lower myself to your level. It's quite educational.

Arguments, monkey, arguments. I am still waiting.

Fake Nick · 11-08-2004, 06:28 AM

trying to get rid of hate and violence with more hate and violence usually doesn't work

this murder has nothing to do with the laws or tolerance

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
No, because you are the one who's not using any actual arguments and instead resorts to logical fallacies.

I may call you an idiot, a moron, a feeble-minded fool, an ignoramus, a dimwit, a dipshit, an ass, a boob, a dunce or even a retard, but the insults are accompanied by actual arguments.

If you are right, then why on earth would you need to not only use an excessive amount of epithets, but also CAPITALIZE them? One can but wonder...

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
trying to get rid of hate and violence with more hate and violence usually doesn't work

Especially when you use hate and violence towards those who weren't even involved with the original hate and violence.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:34 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Arguments, monkey, arguments. I am still waiting.

Arguments for what, exactly? I have already said why I classify you along with people I see as your peers in intention and action, on the left side of the political scale. I believe I am perfectly reasonable in doing so. If you don't think so, well, tough luck, because that's entirely subjective.

SR · 11-08-2004, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Assuming you'd like people to join your way of thinking, teaching people why you believe what you do is the first step to accomplishing that goal.

Okay since some people might have a different opinion here's mine.

Most muslims have a hard time living by our standards.
They come here so they have to follow our rules and have to know what's wrong and what's right in this country.

An imam has quite some respect and they basicly tell them about the islam and how to behave.
If this imam comes from a country like marroco with a different culture from here plus the fact that most of these foreign imams are pretty extreme it's not the best person to teach people in this country.
Most of these imams hate the west.... think gay people should be killed.... think your daughter should be punished (banned from the family or even killed) if she loses here virginity before she gets married... thinks it's okay to beat your wife etc. etc.
That might be the way it is where they came from but not here.

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:38 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
If you are right, then why on earth would you need to not only use an excessive amount of epithets, but also CAPITALIZE them? One can but wonder...

Still waiting for you to give actual arguments for your position.

So far, your only argument is something along the lines of "the mean man called me bad words!"

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Still waiting for you to give actual arguments for your position.

So far, your only argument is something along the lines of "the mean man called me bad words!"

That's interesting. Why do you even need to use epithets, if not because of frustration? But here we go;

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Arguments for what, exactly? I have already said why I classify you along with people I see as your peers in intention and action, on the left side of the political scale. I believe I am perfectly reasonable in doing so. If you don't think so, well, tough luck, because that's entirely subjective.

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 06:40 AM

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Originally posted by SR
Okay since some people might have a different opinion here's mine.

Most muslims have a hard time living by our standards.
They come here so they have to follow our rules and have to know what's wrong and what's right in this country.

An imam has quite some respect and they basicly tell them about the islam and how to behave.
If this imam comes from a country like marroco with a different culture from here plus the fact that most of these foreign imams are pretty extreme it's not the best person to teach people in this country.
Most of these imams hate the west.... think gay people should be killed.... think your daughter should be punished (banned from the family or even killed) if she loses here virginity before she gets married... thinks it's okay to beat your wife etc. etc.
That might be the way it is where they came from but not here.

Do you have any proof to support your opinion?

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
Arguments for what, exactly? I have already said why I classify you along with people I see as your peers in intention and action, on the left side of the political scale. I believe I am perfectly reasonable in doing so. If you don't think so, well, tough luck, because that's entirely subjective.

Arguments for your position, for any of your statements in this thread... for anything, really.

Now, please, do tell me, who are "my peers"? What's my intention? What are my actions? And why am I "on the left side of the political scale"? (did he just call me a liberal? lol)

You may believe that you are "perfectly reasonable", but being reasonable requires actual REASONS... and you seem completely unwilling to state those.

jimmyf · 11-08-2004, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by CET
OK, that's it! Islam has GOT to to. This world no longer has any use for that particular religion. The middle east too, cut those fuckers off from everything and let them kill themselves off. Just leave the rest of the civilized world alone and we'll leave them alone.

But they won't leave you alone.....Period..... they want 2 kill you

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
That's interesting. Why do you even need to use epithets, if not because of frustration? But here we go;

Yes, I am frustrated. That's because dealing with stupid people frustrates me, and you happen to belong to that group.

jimmyf · 11-08-2004, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Tell me, next time some Aryan Nations guy kills some black guy in the US, will that mean that the "White Revolution" has begun?

in some places I don't think it's ever stopped

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
in some places I don't think it's ever stopped

The concept of perpetual revolution seems somewhat counter-intuitive

jimmyf · 11-08-2004, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Our muslims aren't terrorists. Annoying criminals they may be, but terrorists they are not.

Hell, most muslims over here actually strongly condemned the murder

but not your murder, think about it.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Arguments for your position, for any of your statements in this thread... for anything, really.

Now, please, do tell me, who are "my peers"? What's my intention? What are my actions? And why am I "on the left side of the political scale"? (did he just call me a liberal? lol)

You may believe that you are "perfectly reasonable", but being reasonable requires actual REASONS... and you seem completely unwilling to state those.

I have already provided reasons, on two seperate occasions. I am beginning to think that you have some sort of unfortunate mental condition that hinders you from juggling more than one sentence in your head at the time.

Beyond that, who are you to nitpick over someones subjective opinion? Your own opinion of who you think can be classified together as ideologically similar people on various political and social issues is perfectly subjective as well.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
[...] you happen to belong to that group.

[humorous intention]Aha! You must provide argumentation for that position, which I can pretend were never posted in five minutes so that I can further raise my postcount.[/humorous intention]

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
I have already provided reasons, on two seperate occasions. I am beginning to think that you have some sort of unfortunate mental condition that hinders you from juggling more than one sentence in your head at the time.

Beyond that, who are you to nitpick over someones subjective opinion? Your own opinion of who you think can be classified together as ideologically similar people on various political and social issues is perfectly subjective as well.

First of all, straw man arguments aren't reasons, they're logical fallacies.

Secondly, when you throw your subjective opinion into a discussion, and especially when you actually try to use it as an argument, it ceases to be just a personal opinion and becomes a valid target for criticism.
Oh, and please, do tell... what is my "own opinion" of who I think can be grouped together as "ideologically similar people"?

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
[humorous intention]Aha! You must provide argumentation for that position, which I can pretend were never posted in five minutes so that I can further raise my postcount.[/humorous intention]

Argumentation: almost every post you made in this thread contains a logical fallacy. Since logical thinking is one of the main aspects of intelligence, such a complete absence of it can be described as stupidity.

See how easy it is?

SR · 11-08-2004, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Do you have any proof to support your opinion?

Some people are hard to convince.

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?fusea...rtage_ id=901

http://frontpage.fok.nl/news.fok?id=24806

and there's alot more to be found.
It's not just about imams from other countries but about all radical imams.
It's in dutch so you might want to find something or someone to translate it.

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by SR
Some people are hard to convince.

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?fusea...rtage_ id=901

http://frontpage.fok.nl/news.fok?id=24806

and there's alot more to be found.
It's not just about imams from other countries but about all radical imams.
It's in dutch so you might want to find something or someone to translate it.

Unfortunately, I can't read Dutch

Libertine · 11-08-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by SR
Some people are hard to convince.

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?fusea...rtage_ id=901

http://frontpage.fok.nl/news.fok?id=24806

and there's alot more to be found.
It's not just about imams from other countries but about all radical imams.
It's in dutch so you might want to find something or someone to translate it.

Het gaat nadrukkelijk niet om een onderzoek naar alle moskeeën in Nederland. NOVA heeft alleen gekeken naar de uitingen van een groep radicale imams waarvan de meeste zich hebben georganiseerd in een stichting met anti-westerse opvattingen.

Repetitive Monkey · 11-08-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
First of all, straw man arguments aren't reasons, they're logical fallacies.

Secondly, when you throw your subjective opinion into a discussion, and especially when you actually try to use it as an argument, it ceases to be just a personal opinion and becomes a valid target for criticism.
Oh, and please, do tell... what is my "own opinion" of who I think can be grouped together as "ideologically similar people"?

My stated reasons were not straw men or logical fallacies, you really need to educate yourself on these terms.

I stated that the people I see as having the same terminology, ideals, and actions end up as being classified as roughly the same bunch in my eyes. I know you wish you could change that, but you are not a dictator and this is not some communist society.

One thing which is not subjective is that you have previously and currently is using politically correct terms such as "bigot," "ignorant," and so forth. Your original presumption about who the Dutch would "aim" their defense at was an easy picking as far as applying these very same terms go, whether you agree or disagree until you are blue in the face.

jimmyf · 11-08-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by SR
Some people are hard to convince.

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?fusea...rtage_ id=901

http://frontpage.fok.nl/news.fok?id=24806

and there's alot more to be found.
It's not just about imams from other countries but about all radical imams.
It's in dutch so you might want to find something or someone to translate it.

well, as soon as muslims kill a few French and Germans this board will really be hopping

BRISK · 11-08-2004, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Het gaat nadrukkelijk niet om een onderzoek naar alle moskeeën in Nederland. NOVA heeft alleen gekeken naar de uitingen van een groep radicale imams waarvan de meeste zich hebben georganiseerd in een stichting met anti-westerse opvattingen.

Ik houd van het wanneer mijn flatulentiegeuren zoals kaas

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11-08-2004, 05:52 AM	#51
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11-08-2004, 06:28 AM	#77
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	trying to get rid of hate and violence with more hate and violence usually doesn't work this murder has nothing to do with the laws or tolerance