Okay since some people might have a different opinion here's mine.

Most muslims have a hard time living by our standards.
They come here so they have to follow our rules and have to know what's wrong and what's right in this country.

An imam has quite some respect and they basicly tell them about the islam and how to behave.
If this imam comes from a country like marroco with a different culture from here plus the fact that most of these foreign imams are pretty extreme it's not the best person to teach people in this country.
Most of these imams hate the west.... think gay people should be killed.... think your daughter should be punished (banned from the family or even killed) if she loses here virginity before she gets married... thinks it's okay to beat your wife etc. etc.
That might be the way it is where they came from but not here.

Still waiting for you to give actual arguments for your position.

So far, your only argument is something along the lines of "the mean man called me bad words!" :glugglug

That's interesting. Why do you even need to use epithets, if not because of frustration? But here we go;

Do you have any proof to support your opinion?

Arguments for your position, for any of your statements in this thread... for anything, really.

Now, please, do tell me, who are "my peers"? What's my intention? What are my actions? And why am I "on the left side of the political scale"? (did he just call me a liberal? lol)

You may believe that you are "perfectly reasonable", but being reasonable requires actual REASONS... and you seem completely unwilling to state those.

But they won't leave you alone.....Period..... they want 2 kill you:2 cents:

Yes, I am frustrated. That's because dealing with stupid people frustrates me, and you happen to belong to that group.

in some places I don't think it's ever stopped:Graucho

The concept of perpetual revolution seems somewhat counter-intuitive :winkwink:

but not your murder, think about it.

I have already provided reasons, on two seperate occasions. I am beginning to think that you have some sort of unfortunate mental condition that hinders you from juggling more than one sentence in your head at the time. :(

Beyond that, who are you to nitpick over someones subjective opinion? Your own opinion of who you think can be classified together as ideologically similar people on various political and social issues is perfectly subjective as well.

[humorous intention]Aha! You must provide argumentation for that position, which I can pretend were never posted in five minutes so that I can further raise my postcount.[/humorous intention]

First of all, straw man arguments aren't reasons, they're logical fallacies.

Secondly, when you throw your subjective opinion into a discussion, and especially when you actually try to use it as an argument, it ceases to be just a personal opinion and becomes a valid target for criticism.
Oh, and please, do tell... what is my "own opinion" of who I think can be grouped together as "ideologically similar people"?

Argumentation: almost every post you made in this thread contains a logical fallacy. Since logical thinking is one of the main aspects of intelligence, such a complete absence of it can be described as stupidity.

See how easy it is? :glugglug

Some people are hard to convince.

http://www.novatv.nl/index.cfm?fusea...rtage_ id=901

http://frontpage.fok.nl/news.fok?id=24806

and there's alot more to be found.
It's not just about imams from other countries but about all radical imams.
It's in dutch so you might want to find something or someone to translate it.

Unfortunately, I can't read Dutch :(

Het gaat nadrukkelijk niet om een onderzoek naar alle moskeeën in Nederland. NOVA heeft alleen gekeken naar de uitingen van een groep radicale imams waarvan de meeste zich hebben georganiseerd in een stichting met anti-westerse opvattingen.

My stated reasons were not straw men or logical fallacies, you really need to educate yourself on these terms.

I stated that the people I see as having the same terminology, ideals, and actions end up as being classified as roughly the same bunch in my eyes. I know you wish you could change that, but you are not a dictator and this is not some communist society.

One thing which is not subjective is that you have previously and currently is using politically correct terms such as "bigot," "ignorant," and so forth. Your original presumption about who the Dutch would "aim" their defense at was an easy picking as far as applying these very same terms go, whether you agree or disagree until you are blue in the face.

:)

well, as soon as muslims kill a few French and Germans this board will really be hopping :helpme

Ik houd van het wanneer mijn flatulentiegeuren zoals kaas :glugglug

Yes they were. You misrepresented my position and then attacked it, used grouping me with others as an argument, etc. Maybe you should do some more research with regards to the logic of arguments, because right now, you don't understand it at all.

If you state something within a discussion and actually use it as some sort of argument and attack on someone, you are implicitly opening it up to criticism.
The dictator/communist comment, ofcourse, is rhetorical bullshit.

I don't think I ever even used the word "bigot" except when replying to you calling me that.
I also don't see how terms like "ignorant" are politically correct terms, and I most certainly never concerned myself with being politically correct.

As for my "original presumption"... anyone in the Netherlands who watches the news knows that I am right. So far, since the murder on Theo van Gogh, people have attempted to set fire to 5 different mosques, people have set off a bomb at a muslim elementary school, in a bunch of cities people have been distributing anti-muslim pamphlets, etc.

You talk shit but don't know the facts. :2 cents:

I sale cheap translators..

Are you mocking my babel Fish skills?

hehe

your skills just aren't l33t enough I guess :1orglaugh

I am so hurt by your "bad words," however I will try to take solace in the fact that I am capable of discussing any topic without throwing shit and acting out deeply motivated anger when I disagree, and that I don't have the disturbing life experience and/or mental disability needed to force myself to nitpick the entirely subjective for two pages under the ignorant assumption that words that were written several times right in front of me were never a part of consensus reality.

Precisely.

And, once again, you have no actual arguments whatsoever. You're starting to get somewhat boring. You dodging every real point in the discussion was amusing at first, but it's gotten kinda old :2 cents:

It's interesting that you would be the one to post this.

You still suffer from the form of psychosis that hinders you from remembering my posts. I have already repeated my argumentation for viewing you as a leftie ad nauseam.

Ask someone else how they view you if you can't get over it. Perhaps they will answer differently and your mind can finally come to peace.

Your "argumentation" consists of a bunch of straw man arguments. It may come as a shock to you, but you repeating straw man arguments ad nauseam doesn't make them any more valid.

Oh, and I was actually referring to the original discussion. You know, the situation in the Netherlands right now? Oh, wait... that's right - you don't.

I see you know many imams. I don't know any, so I can only go by what I read in the newspaper, from which I've gathered that only a few of the imams in Holland hold these views. Guess the reporters were wrong.

Thats actually funny

Finaly some sence.. thank you..

It is not a straw man argument or logical fallacy to have the opinion that if something quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. *You* are most likely a duck (purely metaphorically, silly). I have seen you quack and walk for a long time on GFY.

Therefore my opinion of you as a hypocrite (not as ignorant or prejudiced, those "accusations" were tools used to display my subjective point) still exists.

If you disagree with this rationale and still feel the need to insert varying degrees of psychosis into replies to my posts, then I must turn around and apply your own logic to your posts in an effort to show you how ridiculous the whole thing is. You like?

Yeps they are wrong.

Fuck all these extrimists

And still he doesn't see it...

Dude, your "duck" is undefined. You've mentioned "me and mine", "us all", "people like me", my "peers in intention and action", and the closest you came to actually saying something is "to the left side of the political spectrum" (after all, politics only consists of "left" and "right", right?).

You've grouped me with an undefined group, called that group hypocrites (which they may be, since I have no idea of who they are and if their political positions actually resemble mine), implied that I use "politically correct" language, said I "throw around words like 'bigot' and 'prejudiced'", etc.
Tons of straw man arguments there...

There is no rationale to what you're doing. It's a barrage of nonsense, implying that I have some sort of undefined political position which is supposedly hypocritical (but who knows? it's kinda hard to answer when no actual clear statements are made on what that political position is).


For once, be clear: what do you think my political position is, and who are you talking about when you refer to "you all"?

You are really going for a walk there, psychoworld. I have already defined it deeper than your straw man presents (you misrepresented me and what I have said by ommission). If you choose to ignore it, then take it on your own robe, and don't come around here and accuse me of not being clear enough purely to increae your post count one notch.

We already have these Dutch people on our watch list .. notice the first result for the search "Netherlands" on google..

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...&q=Netherlands

:1orglaugh

we invade you guys next.. there are just too many Dutch webmasters .. :winkwink:

:1orglaugh

You haven't defined it at all. All you've said are things like "people of your opinions", "people like you", "your peers in intention and action", "people with your ideals", "people of your opinions on race", etc., and a single "to the left side of the political spectrum".

Now, in your little world such meaningless innuendos perhaps count as a solid argumentation, but for the rest of us, they don't.



Now, once again, the question: what do you think my political position is, and who are you talking about when you refer to "you all"?

Surely even you realize that avoiding the question continuously is making you look really, really stupid.