Here we go, so civilians gonna take care of it themselves

I based my comment about your ideological standpoint on what I know about you after having read many posts of yours that involve political or social issues. You and yours throw the words "prejudiced," "ignorant," "bigot" all over the place, and I correctly pointed out for you that you matched your own much touted accusations.

You're right. We live in a tolerant country where people have freedom and liberties, and we should do everything we can to protect that, even if it means becoming an intolerant country where people don't have freedom and liberties, and where any idiot can take justice into his own hands just like that piece of shit Mohammed B. did.

Idiot.

finally. someone undertsand what's going on !

Now, the question is :
why it was always easy to get permanent residence for Somali refugee and not to Polish or
Czech people ?
And such practice is in every West European country.
Who decided to allow access from Africa and Asia and not from Czech or Poland ?
Now, you have a new chechen refugees in EU, do you think they will start to work hard for your country ? No.

Your man is big and made of straw. Therefore, I shall dub him "Straw Man".

There is no "me and mine", I almost never use the word "prejudiced", I never use the word "bigot", and I use the word "ignorant" to left and right alike, not because of their positions, but because of the ignorance demonstrated in their arguments.

You can never know if you can prevent something like this.
There are alot of (mostly young) muslim extremists here and there are many things that can be done against them but not with the laws we have right now. If there's enough proof that they are extremists take their passport and sent them where they came from. Same for allowing Imams in Holland that come from Marroco etc. They should not allow that. They should not allow any imams from other countries because most of them don't know about our livestyle and what we respect and don't respect.
Many things should change that's for sure.

You all go in the same category in my view, since you have the same ideals, terminology, and ways of doing things. Much like people of my political perceptions fit into the same category in your eyes.

The only difference is that you are hypocrites who are what you accuse others of being.

By the way, you should read up on what a straw man argument is. I didn't build a straw man for me to shoot down, since all I did was mentioning the existence of the terminology that you admittedly use.

"You all"? Who is "you all"? I could've sworn that I'm a single person... I see no crowd around me, cheering me on while I type out posts.

And what's up with all the straw man arguments? I have no idea what your political perceptions are, much less do I shove you and those who share them with you into a single category.

The real difference is that you're an idiot who seems to derive some perverse pleasure from logical fallacies.

Doesn't allowing them to live in the country help them learn more about Dutch lifestyle?

50 dead muslims

The term straw man is broader than that, sparky. It also includes misrepresenting someone's viewpoints, then critizing those. And guess what? Terminology is an integral part of someones position in a debate. (and no, I did not "admit" that "me and mine throw the words 'prejudiced,' 'ignorant,' 'bigot' all over the place")

Hey this isn't 2nd world war you idiot :feels-hot

You all, yes. People of your opinions on race go into the same category in my view. You have the same terminology, ways of doing things, and ideals, as I have already mentioned. I don't understand why you gripe about this. Wait, I do! You want to steer the discussion away from the easily drawn conclusion that you are a prejudicial and ignorant bigot, the very opposite of what you try to make yourself out to be. :1orglaugh

terrorizing these schools with bombs is just as bad. What they need to do is take proper action against ALL extremists, not to all the people that are muslim, that is rediculous.

They are here to teach muslims about the islam.
That's what i'm talking about.

I could easily answer your question as to why western governments have switched to pro-third world immigration policies but it might get me kicked off of this board.

and what's wrong with that?

The fact remains, sidetracking efforts aside.

Are you really THIS stupid?

I am not making myself out to be anything. I combine facts with reason, a concept apparently completely alien to you.

Now, the reason that I object to you stating that my viewpoints belong to some vague, undefined ideology of which only you know what it is is quite simple: I won't accept some moron grouping me with people and viewpoints I don't know or accept.

Your only argument appears to be that I am "one of them". Who the hell are "they"?!

You have long since resorted to epithets and anger, I think it is fair to say that this discussion, or rather sidetracking attempt, is over. :)

I don't think Lensman has the habit of banning people based on political convictions or opinions, so I'd encourage you to share yours.

Please go back under your rock.

Agreed.

There's a weak non-answer

What sidetracking? And what fact?

I make the assumption that the aim will be too broad when citizens take "the fight" into their own hands on what I see in society. You see, I'm Dutch, and in in my own society I see how most of the anger that should be aimed at extremism is instead aimed at islam as a whole.

I also read in the paper this morning that a bomb went off at a muslim school here in Holland, which confirms my statement that "the enemy" will be taken too broadly when people "take care of things themselves".

Any other questions?

Agreed.

If it is, you are the clear loser. You used more straw man arguments in this discussion than most people use in an entire discussion.

Prejudicial "people" always seek to explain away their hate and bigotry, wouldn't you all agree?

:1orglaugh

Weak yes but I don't see why I would have to explain that this is not right.

Once again, you prove that you're a clueless idiot who has no real arguments whatsoever and instead resorts to empty accusations.

Yes, because clearly *I* am the one using epithets and the one raining my frustration out on an online message board. :1orglaugh

Assuming you'd like people to join your way of thinking, teaching people why you believe what you do is the first step to accomplishing that goal.

Ohh, look at how many bad words you can throw at me! You are sooo big and your brain is sooooo succulent!

Thanks for the excuse to lower myself to your level. It's quite educational. :)

No, because you are the one who's not using any actual arguments and instead resorts to logical fallacies.

I may call you an idiot, a moron, a feeble-minded fool, an ignoramus, a dimwit, a dipshit, an ass, a boob, a dunce or even a retard, but the insults are accompanied by actual arguments. :glugglug

Arguments, monkey, arguments. I am still waiting. :glugglug

trying to get rid of hate and violence with more hate and violence usually doesn't work :2 cents:


this murder has nothing to do with the laws or tolerance

If you are right, then why on earth would you need to not only use an excessive amount of epithets, but also CAPITALIZE them? One can but wonder...

Especially when you use hate and violence towards those who weren't even involved with the original hate and violence.

Arguments for what, exactly? I have already said why I classify you along with people I see as your peers in intention and action, on the left side of the political scale. I believe I am perfectly reasonable in doing so. If you don't think so, well, tough luck, because that's entirely subjective. :)