Gay marriage a big issue. Why ??? - GoFuckYourself.com

nicchick · 11-04-2004, 07:25 AM

It's hard to believe that there could be any issue that affects my life less than if the gay couple down the street has a marriage licence on their wall or is just living together.
Plus with AIDs on the rise again, you would think that anything that could be done to keep gays in monogamous relationships would be beneficial for the public health.

Opponents claim that gays marrying, would be a threat to the instituion of marriage. The real threat is to the institution of marriage is heterosexual couples living together, having kids, buying property and never bothering to get married. On my mothers street, there are 10 houses and 6 of them are made up of non-married couples who have kids.

There's a lot of things i used to like about the GOP, but they have been hijacked by the so-called evangelicals. To them, it is more important to stop gay marriage than to make sure that senior citizens can afford both food and medicine. It's nuts.

dennisthemenace · 11-04-2004, 07:30 AM

Marriage is a joke to begin with.

A pedophile priest says words in front of 2 people and wham - bonded "forever".

It's all part of the smoke and mirrors that prove we've been lied to with the concept of FREEDOM.

Freedom of choice (as long as they're the choices your leaders approve of).

Freedom of speech (just watch what you say).

The system must change from the level of the people, but too many people are too wrapped up in Jerry Springer and the like to care too much. They can buy some beer to soften the blow and that's good enough for them.

Dirty F · 11-04-2004, 07:30 AM

Land of the free hehe.

Another 4 years and the countries like Russia will be more "free" than the US.

woodman · 11-04-2004, 07:30 AM

ironic that most of the support for the ban on gay marriage comes from the so-called Democratic base:

Blacks
Elderly
Blue Collar
Hispanics

The born agains are the easy target but they alone did not determine the huge numbers that voted against this

kenny · 11-04-2004, 07:31 AM

To my knowledge it's alot more complex then just a moral aspect.

There are issues like social security and taxes.

Personally I don't really care either way, however in the event that they are allowed to marry I don't think they should ever be allowed to have children

CamChicks · 11-04-2004, 07:33 AM

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?If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.?
Leviticus 20:13

?You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.?
Leviticus 18:22

That's it. That's all that matters to the religious mob. They think they have the final word from God, and no amount of rational debate or pleading for tolerance will appeal to them.

polish_aristocrat · 11-04-2004, 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by dennisthemenace
Marriage is a joke to begin with.

A pedophile priest says words in front of 2 people and wham - bonded "forever".

It's all part of the smoke and mirrors that prove we've been lied to with the concept of FREEDOM.

Freedom of choice (as long as they're the choices your leaders approve of).

Freedom of speech (just watch what you say).

The system must change from the level of the people, but too many people are too wrapped up in Jerry Springer and the like to care too much. They can buy some beer to soften the blow and that's good enough for them.

I disagree, marriage is a good thing. Many ppl are truly happy living their "normal" lives. Not everyone wants too much freedom - I mean many ppl are happy with their 9-5 jobs and a wife + 2 kids.

MikeVega · 11-04-2004, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by nicchick

with AIDS on the rise again, you would think that anything that could be done to keep gays in monogamous relationships would be beneficial for the public health.

You better get them hitched because there the ones spreading the Aids ...... I know you didn't mean it that way .... but it sounds homophobic ...

foxylady · 11-04-2004, 07:37 AM

gay issues is not a big issue for me.... hello were on a new century now, we can do whatever we want to do, we have our own free will

BRISK · 11-04-2004, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by woodman
ironic that most of the support for the ban on gay marriage comes from the so-called Democratic base:

Blacks
Elderly
Blue Collar
Hispanics

The born agains are the easy target but they alone did not determine the huge numbers that voted against this

You have proof of this?

woodman · 11-04-2004, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
You have proof of this?

"But there is little racial divide over gay marriage. Both whites and blacks oppose gay marriage by roughly two-to-one _ most Hispanics also oppose the idea, but by a smaller margin (51% to 36%). "

"Even this youngest group of Americans do not, on balance, favor this idea; rather, they are divided. But that is in stark contrast to people in their forties and fifties, where twice as many oppose gay marriage as favor it. Among those in their sixties and seventies, opposition outnumbers support by as much as four-to-one"

http://pewforum.org/docs/index.php?DocID=39

crockett · 11-04-2004, 07:49 AM

I don't understand it.. IMO I don't see a problem with gay people getting married. I think it's just another form of discrimination but instead of by race it's discrimination by sexual preference.

If they can't get married then why not a civil union? Seems that was voted down in most places too. I think the problem is how our country is set up.

If you look at the big cities most voted for Kerry and don't have a issue with gay people. People in cities are naturally more progressive than those in the surrounding areas in the "heartland".

America is just like any other country but just much bigger than most. The cities have the biggest populations bases but the rural areas area spread far and wide. People in the rural areas are normally more religious, set in there ways and less likely to be open for change. This is the same in any county from what I can see. Just in America we seem to have a lot of them because the country is so big.

I bet if you went to Russia and traveled around out in the rural areas.. You would also find the people were less likely to accept change. However I'm sure if you go to Moscow the average person would be more progressive thinking.

Spunky · 11-04-2004, 07:51 AM

Cause it states in the bible ....many christian people believe gay marriage is just wrong

dennisthemenace · 11-04-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
I disagree, marriage is a good thing. Many ppl are truly happy living their "normal" lives. Not everyone wants too much freedom - I mean many ppl are happy with their 9-5 jobs and a wife + 2 kids.

And I respectfully disagree right back.

The happiness you speak of in many cases is an illusion. Like the grass being greener elsewhere.

Watch people when you go out into the world. Read the police log section of the newspaper. Many folks portraying the illusion of happiness are involved in spousal and child abuse, drinking themselves to death, overeating, etc..

Go drive in traffic or go to a mall or something.. People are leaning on their horns, waving their arms and going nuts behind the wheel of a car. People are openly screaming at each other, their "significant other" or kids right out in public. Such anger certainly doesn't stem from genuine happiness.

I think it was 2 days ago, I was at a gas station and there was this guy (with his wife in the passenger seat) beating the hell out of his kid because the child wouldn't put a book down. The wife was screaming at the kid too (instead of the husband) using profanity and really letting go with the rage. The kid couldn't have been more than 6 years old.

I do agree that there ARE *some* people genuinely pulling it off... But way too people in marriages with kids aren't fit to be in such a situation because they don't have their own demons sorted out as individuals. Bringing others into the situation only makes matters worse because they're seeking happiness from outside themselves which is the way they were shown it was done by their parents (who were likely the same way).

Anywho.. back to the subject. Marry who you wanna marry. Just don't do it because "everyone else is doing it".

That is my belief.

bringer · 11-04-2004, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by CamChicks
That's it. That's all that matters to the religious mob. They think they have the final word from God, and no amount of rational debate or pleading for tolerance will appeal to them.

maybe they should pursue equal rights for civil unions rather then trying to redefine a word. they could have that easily but they want to prove the point that minorities can do whatever the fuck they want and get away with it.

BRISK · 11-04-2004, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman
"But there is little racial divide over gay marriage. Both whites and blacks oppose gay marriage by roughly two-to-one _ most Hispanics also oppose the idea, but by a smaller margin (51% to 36%). "

"Even this youngest group of Americans do not, on balance, favor this idea; rather, they are divided. But that is in stark contrast to people in their forties and fifties, where twice as many oppose gay marriage as favor it. Among those in their sixties and seventies, opposition outnumbers support by as much as four-to-one"

http://pewforum.org/docs/index.php?DocID=39

I meant, do you have proof that the elderly are typically Democratic?

Jensen · 11-04-2004, 08:06 AM

what do the same people think about porn?

mardigras · 11-04-2004, 08:33 AM

Quote:

?If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.?
Leviticus 20:13

?You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.?
Leviticus 18:22

Quote:

Originally posted by CamChicks
That's it. That's all that matters to the religious mob. They think they have the final word from God, and no amount of rational debate or pleading for tolerance will appeal to them.

They're just upset because the same chapter says they are condemned for wearing cotton/polyester, eating shrimp and having peas and carrots in the same garden so they have to spread the misery

psili · 11-04-2004, 08:45 AM

It offends the "moral majority". Plain and simple.

Hopefully, nobody here is disillusioned to think they are part of the moral majority, simply by the fact we all work in the adult entertainment industry.

The moral majority are those that have the house, picket fence, 2 +1/2 kids, go to church every Sunday because it reinforces that "I'm better than those who don't go to church" feeling, who don't live near a coastline or mountains (look at polling results based on geography for this one), etc. The moral majority are simple, closed-minded people who want / need to be told what to do, how to act, what is right and wrong and what to believe in. This moral majority also outnumber the rest of us, which is why we see such legislation get enacted.

ExtremeRobyn · 11-04-2004, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
To my knowledge it's alot more complex then just a moral aspect.

There are issues like social security and taxes.

Personally I don't really care either way, however in the event that they are allowed to marry I don't think they should ever be allowed to have children

Why not?

reynold · 11-04-2004, 08:56 AM

gay marriage is big deal coz of religion and moral issue stuff.

Herb Kornfield · 11-04-2004, 08:56 AM

At one time Interracial marriage wasnt allowed in this country, and that was in the 1960's.......

Anyone that loves someone else should be allowed to marry them. Marriage is a great thing and we all should try it on for size.

If more people said fuck this shit and took a stand, there would a difference. Keep taking the shit thats's shoveled your way and nothing will change.

11-04-2004, 07:25 AM	#1
nicchick Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 316	Gay marriage a big issue. Why ??? It's hard to believe that there could be any issue that affects my life less than if the gay couple down the street has a marriage licence on their wall or is just living together. Plus with AIDs on the rise again, you would think that anything that could be done to keep gays in monogamous relationships would be beneficial for the public health. Opponents claim that gays marrying, would be a threat to the instituion of marriage. The real threat is to the institution of marriage is heterosexual couples living together, having kids, buying property and never bothering to get married. On my mothers street, there are 10 houses and 6 of them are made up of non-married couples who have kids. There's a lot of things i used to like about the GOP, but they have been hijacked by the so-called evangelicals. To them, it is more important to stop gay marriage than to make sure that senior citizens can afford both food and medicine. It's nuts.

11-04-2004, 07:30 AM	#2
dennisthemenace Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In the present moment Posts: 2,668	Marriage is a joke to begin with. A pedophile priest says words in front of 2 people and wham - bonded "forever". It's all part of the smoke and mirrors that prove we've been lied to with the concept of FREEDOM. Freedom of choice (as long as they're the choices your leaders approve of). Freedom of speech (just watch what you say). The system must change from the level of the people, but too many people are too wrapped up in Jerry Springer and the like to care too much. They can buy some beer to soften the blow and that's good enough for them. __________________ All the best to you

11-04-2004, 07:31 AM	#5
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	To my knowledge it's alot more complex then just a moral aspect. There are issues like social security and taxes. Personally I don't really care either way, however in the event that they are allowed to marry I don't think they should ever be allowed to have children __________________ 7

11-04-2004, 07:37 AM	#9
foxylady Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,829	gay issues is not a big issue for me.... hello were on a new century now, we can do whatever we want to do, we have our own free will __________________

11-04-2004, 07:49 AM	#12
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	I don't understand it.. IMO I don't see a problem with gay people getting married. I think it's just another form of discrimination but instead of by race it's discrimination by sexual preference. If they can't get married then why not a civil union? Seems that was voted down in most places too. I think the problem is how our country is set up. If you look at the big cities most voted for Kerry and don't have a issue with gay people. People in cities are naturally more progressive than those in the surrounding areas in the "heartland". America is just like any other country but just much bigger than most. The cities have the biggest populations bases but the rural areas area spread far and wide. People in the rural areas are normally more religious, set in there ways and less likely to be open for change. This is the same in any county from what I can see. Just in America we seem to have a lot of them because the country is so big. I bet if you went to Russia and traveled around out in the rural areas.. You would also find the people were less likely to accept change. However I'm sure if you go to Moscow the average person would be more progressive thinking. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

11-04-2004, 07:30 AM	#3
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Land of the free hehe. Another 4 years and the countries like Russia will be more "free" than the US.

11-04-2004, 07:30 AM	#4
woodman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 433	ironic that most of the support for the ban on gay marriage comes from the so-called Democratic base: Blacks Elderly Blue Collar Hispanics The born agains are the easy target but they alone did not determine the huge numbers that voted against this

11-04-2004, 07:51 AM	#13
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	Cause it states in the bible ....many christian people believe gay marriage is just wrong __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

11-04-2004, 08:06 AM	#17
Jensen Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 3,790	what do the same people think about porn?

11-04-2004, 08:45 AM	#19
psili Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 5,526	It offends the "moral majority". Plain and simple. Hopefully, nobody here is disillusioned to think they are part of the moral majority, simply by the fact we all work in the adult entertainment industry. The moral majority are those that have the house, picket fence, 2 +1/2 kids, go to church every Sunday because it reinforces that "I'm better than those who don't go to church" feeling, who don't live near a coastline or mountains (look at polling results based on geography for this one), etc. The moral majority are simple, closed-minded people who want / need to be told what to do, how to act, what is right and wrong and what to believe in. This moral majority also outnumber the rest of us, which is why we see such legislation get enacted. __________________ Your post count means nothing.

11-04-2004, 08:56 AM	#21
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	gay marriage is big deal coz of religion and moral issue stuff.

11-04-2004, 08:56 AM	#22
Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	At one time Interracial marriage wasnt allowed in this country, and that was in the 1960's....... Anyone that loves someone else should be allowed to marry them. Marriage is a great thing and we all should try it on for size. If more people said fuck this shit and took a stand, there would a difference. Keep taking the shit thats's shoveled your way and nothing will change.