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Old 11-03-2004, 06:36 PM   #251
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:38 PM   #252
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Did you know? I am sorry to say, even all you nice, intelligent guys are considered truely retarded now... Its so sad...
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They don't have spell check in your country or what?
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:40 PM   #253
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After going through that whole document, I didn't find a single reference to violent crimes and non-firearms related deaths. The only subject addressed was firearms related deaths. What about violent crime as a whole? I found it interesting that I was unable to find that simple subject matter on that website you provided, short of a report covering the hears 1977-1989. Why wouldn't they address such a simple and basic question, yet they'll address questions about violence against cab drivers?
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/f...02/tab01a.html

There you go... also keep in mind that this site is the Australian Institute of Criminology and is the last word on Australian crime statistics.

This is not a partisan site.
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:41 PM   #254
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This discussion is about gun control and gun violence. That study was specifically about firearm related deaths. To the chagrin of gun activists it simply cannot be refuted that Australia has seen a drastic reduction in gun violence since 1996 when significant gun control was introduced.

Pre 1996 statistics are here:

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti70.pdf

I will look for statistics on non-firearm assaults and deaths.
That's not what I was discussing, I was discussing the overall violent crime rate in comparisson to gun control. If you take away guns and most homocides are domestic, of course there are going to be fewer gun related deaths. However, is there going to be an increase in knife related deaths? If so, then gun control accomplished nothing. What about armed robbery? Criminals don't care if guns are illegal, they're breaking the law anyway.
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:42 PM   #255
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Fuck their stupid right to bear arms...

They are MENTAL and suffering a severe bout of insecurity...

Fuck em all.. they created their bullshit - let em wallow in it
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:44 PM   #256
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They don't have spell check in your country or what?

Dont make a fool of yourself. I speak several languages fluently, do you?
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Canada's always had stiff gun control. Our violent crime rate involving hand guns is on the way up.
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Old 11-03-2004, 06:47 PM   #259
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Dont make a fool of yourself. I speak several languages fluently, do you?
Don't make an ass of yourself. I speak more than one and read several, sorry to burst your bubble.

You're the one that started such a stupid thread, not me.

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Canada's always had stiff gun control. Our violent crime rate involving hand guns is on the way up.
I thought Canada's gun control was fairly lax due to the large community of hunters.
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Don't make an ass of yourself. I speak more than one and read several, sorry to burst your bubble.

You're the one that started such a stupid thread, not me.

Quit crying when I pull your pigtails.

Ahaha.. yeah, so we start a political discussion and you bash me, a foreigner who speaks/spells nearly perfect english, because of a typo? Get real, give me something to chew on kiddo!
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I thought Canada's gun control was fairly lax due to the large community of hunters.
No, it's very stiff. Especially in regards to hand guns.

You need a permit to buy it. (You have to go to classes to get it)
You need a permit to buy ammo.
You need another permit to transport the gun (between your home and the firing range for instance).
When at home it has to be stored without the firing pin and in a locked box (or with a trigger lock).
The laws are such that if somebody was breaking in to your house, and you shot them, you'd be in much more trouble under Federal gun laws than he would be for breaking and entering.
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No, it's very stiff. Especially in regards to hand guns.

You need a permit to buy it. (You have to go to classes to get it)
You need a permit to buy ammo.
You need another permit to transport the gun (between your home and the firing range for instance).
When at home it has to be stored without the firing pin and in a locked box (or with a trigger lock).
The laws are such that if somebody was breaking in to your house, and you shot them, you'd be in much more trouble under Federal gun laws than he would be for breaking and entering.
Geez that's f'ed up! So much for self defense.
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Geez that's f'ed up! So much for self defense.
If you need a gun for self-defence then your society has failed.
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Geez that's f'ed up! So much for self defense.
Exactly. If your handgun was available to use to defend yourself, you'd be breaking Federal laws.

Unless I guess you hid in your closet, unlocked the gun, the ammo and loaded the gun. Then you'd be alright. It'd also be too late.
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There are elements of bad in every society. It's human nature.
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It would be nice if it were otherwise, but we're not there just yet. I can't help but wonder if we're going in the right direction to get there. Maybe we are and I just don't see it.

One of the few points I liked in Bowling For Columbine is that America is a society that is build on fear. The media and government see fit to perpetuate that fear and I don't see how that can do anything but make things worse.
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hey webby, heres the great thing about the right to bear arms. Maybe you should ask your granpa about how easy it was for the nazis to storm through europe in the 1930's. The asnswer is because the people of those cout=ntries had no way to protect themselves. If you recall your history correctly the very forst thing castro did in cuba was to disarm the populace. The very forst thing the communist did in russia was to disarm the populace. The very first thing ortega did in nicaragus was to dis arm the populace.

When the founding fathers of the u.s. wrote the constitution there were many who wanted the right to bear arms to be the FIRST amendment.(Thomas jefferson. george washington and alexander hamilton just to name a few.)

And as i explained on another thread, the u.s. is not a democracy. We live in a REBUBLIC. Our nations name is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We the people grant to the government certain rights by way of the CONSTITUTION. The constirution does not give rights to the people, it gives and limits the rights of the government. This is the fundamental thing that makes this the greatest country on earth. WE THE PEOPLE GRANT RIGHTS TO THE GOVERNMENT......THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GRANT RIGHTS TO THE PEOPLE. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DOES THIS AND THAT IS THE SIMPLE REASON WHY NO OTHER COUNTRY EVEN COMES CLOSE TO HAVING THE FREEDOMS THAT WE HERE IN AMERICA ARE SO PROUD OF.
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It would be nice if it were otherwise, but we're not there just yet. I can't help but wonder if we're going in the right direction to get there. Maybe we are and I just don't see it.

One of the few points I liked in Bowling For Columbine is that America is a society that is build on fear. The media and government see fit to perpetuate that fear and I don't see how that can do anything but make things worse.
How much have you travelled? I'm interested. You're obviously an intelligent person and are interested in the world outside your nation.

If you are going to ccompare the USA and other nations you need context and travel is the only way to get it. It's one thing to read about a country, it's another to actually experience it.

Don't worry, this isn't any sort of attack. I'm truly interested in the extent of your global travels.
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How much have you travelled? I'm interested. You're obviously an intelligent person and are interested in the world outside your nation.

If you are going to ccompare the USA and other nations you need context and travel is the only way to get it. It's one thing to read about a country, it's another to actually experience it.

Don't worry, this isn't any sort of attack. I'm truly interested in the extent of your global travels.
I've travelled quite a bit myself. You're right, it's the best education one can have.
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How much have you travelled? I'm interested. You're obviously an intelligent person and are interested in the world outside your nation.

If you are going to ccompare the USA and other nations you need context and travel is the only way to get it. It's one thing to read about a country, it's another to actually experience it.

Don't worry, this isn't any sort of attack. I'm truly interested in the extent of your global travels.
I served in the United States Navy. While serving I've been to America, Mexico, Canada, Ireland (my favorite country so far since I can't drink Guiness anywhere else now), Italy, Germany and Turkey.

BTW, even if it was an attack I wouldn't give a shit. You might have noticed that when others throw insults, I stay on track and keep going. Those who throw insults do so because they are generally conceeding that they have nothing left to say. I take insults as an unspoken victory on my part.
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I've travelled quite a bit myself. You're right, it's the best education one can have.
I'm an addict. I've travelled to these countries:

Austria
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Poland
Slovakia
Hungary
Germany
Italy
Greece
Spain
Portugal
France
Belgium
The Netherlands
Denmark
England
Scotland
Ireland
Luxembourg
USA
Mexico
Japan
Russia
Brazil
New Zealand
Egypt

Going away to Europe in three weeks time for a month and a half break.

There is no education like world travel.
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I'm an addict. I've travelled to these countries:

Austria
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Poland
Slovakia
Hungary
Germany
Italy
Greece
Spain
Portugal
France
Belgium
The Netherlands
Denmark
England
Scotland
Ireland
Luxembourg
USA
Mexico
Japan
Russia
Brazil
New Zealand
Egypt

Going away to Europe in three weeks time for a month and a half break.

There is no education like world travel.
Wow you sure are. You've got me beat. I've been to:

Every Province and territory of Canada
Greenland
Most US states
Mexico
Costa Rica
Thailand
Malaysia
Singapore
Korea
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Fiji
Australia
England
France

More to do. I'm only 30 luckily, so plenty of time left.
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Wow you sure are. You've got me beat. I've been to:

Every Province and territory of Canada
Greenland
Most US states
Mexico
Costa Rica
Thailand
Malaysia
Singapore
Korea
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Fiji
Australia
England
France

More to do. I'm only 30 luckily, so plenty of time left.
Greeenland? Thats rare. What was it like?
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I've travelled quite a bit myself. You're right, it's the best education one can have.
I don't know about you, but seeing and experiencing other countries and cultures is always fascinating to me. I visit a couple of tourist spots, but I also like to try to disappear into the crowd and really experience the culture on a base level. I have naturally dark skin and hair, so I was able to do that a few times in Turkey. Apparently I had most Turks convinced I was a turk as well, because lots of them would come up to me and start babbling in Turkish. I was able to get by through reading body language and replying with the same. Although it is a bit dangerous to go off alone in a foreign country, I treasured those times as great learning experiences. I met Turks, Kurds and Iraqi refugees and got to learn their culture fairly well.
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I'm an addict. I've travelled to these countries:

Austria
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Poland
Slovakia
Hungary
Germany
Italy
Greece
Spain
Portugal
France
Belgium
The Netherlands
Denmark
England
Scotland
Ireland
Luxembourg
USA
Mexico
Japan
Russia
Brazil
New Zealand
Egypt

Going away to Europe in three weeks time for a month and a half break.

There is no education like world travel.
I wish I could afford to do that. I will some day, just not now though. I'm spending all of my dough on school and keeping my vehicles running so that I can do go school.
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Not too cold from what I remember. We were there during the very short summer. It's one of the first places I can remember going with my father. He used to be the Mine Manager for Giant Yellowknife Mines. Lots of Silver in Greenland.
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I wish I could afford to do that. I will some day, just not now though. I'm spending all of my dough on school and keeping my vehicles running so that I can do go school.
It's not as expensive as you think.

I backpacked around the world for six months in 1998 and it cost me around US$20,000.

That's for everything too... air fares, accomodation, train passes, food, accomodation, whores, drugs etc.

The great thing about travel is that nobody can ever repossess it!

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I don't know about you, but seeing and experiencing other countries and cultures is always fascinating to me. I visit a couple of tourist spots, but I also like to try to disappear into the crowd and really experience the culture on a base level. I have naturally dark skin and hair, so I was able to do that a few times in Turkey. Apparently I had most Turks convinced I was a turk as well, because lots of them would come up to me and start babbling in Turkish. I was able to get by through reading body language and replying with the same. Although it is a bit dangerous to go off alone in a foreign country, I treasured those times as great learning experiences. I met Turks, Kurds and Iraqi refugees and got to learn their culture fairly well.
Yeah I try to go to places to experience new cultures. That's why I've travelled a bunch in the Orient. The culture there is just so different from anything I was used to here in North America that it really drew me there. Singapore is perhaps one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen.

I'm a big sucker for Costa Rica though. I spent over a year there and will return to live soon.
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It's not as expensive as you think.

I backpacked around the world for six months in 1998 and it cost me around US$20,000.

That's for everything too... air fares, accomodation, train passes, food, accomodation, whores, drugs etc.

The great thing about travel is that nobody can ever repossess it!

ONLY $20,000. After I finish school and am makin a good bit of dough I'll be able to do that, until then it ain't happenin unless I re-enlist in the military. Such is the life of a college student.
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"Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."
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Old 11-03-2004, 07:33 PM   #287
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Okay I have to ask. WTF?
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What the hell is that supposed to be (aside from white trash, I'm looking for specifics)?
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Was this trip really necessary?
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So unfortunate that so many people get so fired up over a simple figure-head . Does Bush really "control" the U.S.....funny, very funny.

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More banal idiocy.......
Jealous because I haven't yanked on yours?
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So unfortunate that so many people get so fired up over a simple figure-head . Does Bush really "control" the U.S.....funny, very funny.

More than perhaps you know. The Senate and the House are both Republican as well, so the governing assembly is all one-sided.

Oh fun.
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Why do folks pander to fucking imbeciles??


Must be the entertainment value...
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Yea!!

I'm gonna grow some especially for that occasion!
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So unfortunate that so many people get so fired up over a simple figure-head . Does Bush really "control" the U.S.....funny, very funny.

The president is not simply the figurehead position it once was. Also, every branch of the federal government is under republican control with a lame duck president who doesn't have to worry about re-election. We're in for a rocky 4 years.
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Yea!!

I'm gonna grow some especially for that occasion!
My girl can whip some extensions into that mop if you like ;)
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you are too funny kk! how's it going??
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The United States of America is THE SUPERPOWER -- the rest of the world is one big shit hole.

We can wipe all of you out on a whim, militarily. We can bury your countries economically as an afterthought.

You are insiginificant fleas and we are the greatest country in the history of the world.

Your opinions are insignificant. You're impotent. We run the world, and you live and die at our pleasure.

Suck on that you trick ass bitches.

Go Fuck Yourself
you seemed to have left out your /sarcasm indicator.

You can't even handle a small middle eastern country.
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you are too funny kk! how's it going??
Not bad, chilling on the boat deciding if it's too windy to grill tonight and we have to go home to eat....

What's up with you, I heard you were hanging with Benoit when he was up --
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you seemed to have left out your /sarcasm indicator.

You can't even handle a small middle eastern country.
Occupation is a difficult thing. Wiping Iraq right off the face of the map would be much easier.
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