Furious_Male:

Hey!! I got no problem with that!

I did have a problem with a kinda weird question you had about, - who does the US owe loads of money to??

Answer? Many many billions to many countries, in particular Asia.

I also run a biz and I sure as hell want to know who I owe money to. It's probably the wiser to know this.

Has crime lowered ANY?

My point stands, no single country guarantees as many freedoms as America does. If anyone can prove otherwise (and I mean proof, not rhetoric), I'll gladly pack my bags and move there.

I think that falls in line with staying out of places we don't belong. Yes I agree.

The Netherlands has gay marriage, legal euthanasia and decriminalised soft drugs.

There's three that you don't have.

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You don't introduce any facts - nada.

Only your ignorant opinions - tho that might be after that intensive research you wasted time doing.

Do you expect any serious discussion?? Sure hope not.

Then we agree.

Usualy No :1orglaugh But regarding this issue yes it looks like we do.

Honest opinion, take it for what it's worth. No matter which of the candidates, (and I use the term very loosely), won, we'd still be the laughingstock of the rest of the world. We've gotten entirely too arrogant in our "nobility" and entirely too complacent.

VIVE LE REVOLUCION!!!! (Okay, wishful thinking, my bad...)

Ironically "common sense" did prevail. Conservatives prefer to use "common sense" rather then facts, logic or the scientific method. Of course, common sense would contradict quantum physics, yet it is the most well tested and accepted set of theories in scientific history, even more so then general relativity and gravity. Conservatives preach to pay attention to common sense and ignore everything else. Unforutnately, common sense is not all it's cracked up to be.

Mmmmkay.

Let's rewrite that sentence a bit for those who aren't getting it.

"Name ONE country that has MORE freedoms..." Not DIFFERENT freedoms.

Carry on.

You listed different things that are legal, not guaranteed freedoms.

I'll reitterate, if anyone can name ONE country that GUARANTEES more FREEDOMS then America does, I'll gladly move there.

I dont think so to be honest. It would have been totally different if Kerry won. Remember, the world would prefer, almost anyone, instead of Bush....

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It's too early for this...:helpme

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Astounding stupidity.

The US is now THE most unfree country in the Western World.

There are MANY countries who have more "freedoms" than the US and many other advantages, - but you clearly don't know this.

No.. please don't inflict any other country with your residency - they are often not so tolerant of US idiots.

True. However, would Kerry necessarily have been a beter President, or was he just thrown up by the Democratic party in a vain attempt, (sadly), to get Bush out of office?

Why do you want more, wouldn't the same amount be enough?

What are those perticular "freedoms" you are talking about?

Fair enough.

I hoped, the jist of my message was clear.

In lieu of 'common sense' (which is more a naive aspiration), let's use 'level-headed, balanced globally responsible' instead.

This is a matter of research and special intrest to me. I've spent a great deal of time comparing constitutions, tort law, etc., to find another country that guarantees more freedomes. If I can find another country that has more guaranteed freedoms then the American constitution guarantees, I'll move to that country. I have yet to find that country. If you've found it, then spit it out, I'd genuinely love to hear it.

Webby, please stop with the namecalling. I don't appreciate being lumped into the generalized "US idiots" box. Thanks.

AMEN!

1. You're listing things that are legal, not constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

2. These are things we don't have, fine but we've got things they don't have.

Is this retard serious???

"Comparing consititutions, tort law, etc,"

Hell.. that is one guy that is a VERY hard learner if he has not grasped even basic fundamental facts, yet spews rubbish about tort law.

Sheesh....

I have absolutely NADA sympathy for crass idiots like this.

Have a nice day in lala land :thumbsup

You are playing a semantic game by talking about 'guaranteed' freedoms.

You Americans NEED 'guaranteed' freedoms because you have a large population of rabid, fundamentalist Christians who are constantly trying to attack them.

Most other first world nations don't have this problem.

In practice, there are many countries that enjoy the same day to day freedoms that you enjoy. I live in one of them.

Unlike you, I'm actually interested in being proven wrong. If someone can produce and prove that another country has more freedoms then America, then that's where I'm going to move to. It is greatly to my advantage that someone prove me wrong. You, on the other hand, just want someone to bitch at. I bet you're a really frustrated individual. Probably either money or relationship problems. :2 cents:

Ok, fair enough. So what are they, what do you have that many other western countries dont?

Best post i've read all day.

Instead of namecalling, prove him wrong.

I disagree, look at Kerry's platform and compare it to Bush's. They were practically identical with a few minor differences.

You have now made a positive claim, now prove it. If you can prove it, then I'll be moving to the country that has more guaranteed freedoms. I'll wait.

You know, it's very strange...I usually don't agree with you. But this. Yes, I agree with you.

You're on a roll here! :glugglug

Edit: 150 argumentative Bush haters.

Tala:

Did I even address you in any post?? No.

Did I "namecall" you? No

Did I lump you into the "generalized US idiots box"? No

WTF are you talking about??

On the flip side of the coin, there is no way, I could possible make the assumption any US citizen is not in the "generalized US idiots box".

I will continiue to make that assumption until otherwise proven.

There is certainly no offense intended to you personally.

OK, that'll do. Name one country that has as many guaranteed freedoms as there are in America. More is better, but just as many is just as good.

You do? Well, let me tell you, the rest of world doesnt give a shit about gay marriage, social welfare etc etc when you are in the midst of a war runned by a intellectual retard.

Perhaps the offense was taken by my own perception of your wording. My bad. I apologize.

Read The Constitution, there's tons of them listed in there. I also listed several of them earlier in this thread. I'll quote myself for your convience:

That sounds like an euphamism for "common sense". :2 cents:

How about, "facts, logical reasoning, and acceptance of results brought about by the scientific method"? It's a mouthful, but I don't know any shorter way of saying it.

Hahaha, thats true........ bad for you folks.....

That wasnt much.....