Chupachups:

Of course! :glugglug

This concept of the right to possess some guns is part of these cherished US values. Much like the percieved freedom which they assume other nations do not have.

They forgot they don't have some exclusivity on this and assume they invented the idea.

When you blend that with extreme religous fundamentalism and a touch of isolation in Kentucky, - you have the result that appears on GFY.

Namely the most warped fucking nation on the planet with no clue. 50% of them deserve the President they voted for - he's as stupid as them, - if not more.

You don't even comprehend the points CET was arguing so I will withdraw from this thread. An Americans inate right to keep and bear arms, barring you're not a felon, is just one of the many rights/freedoms that makes this country so great. Being permitted to speak your mind about our leaders, without being prosecuted, is another.

I hope name-calling makes you feel better. It didn't get Kerry where he wanted to be. I know it sucks to lose but you could at least do it gracefully like your failed parties prospect.

:1orglaugh Kerry=Owned!

Ad3pt:

Is that right?

I got news which may come as a surprise...

(a) I have complete freedom to "bear arms".

(b) I can say what the hell I like about leaders without having freaks in black casting an eye over me.

What exactly does the US claim to have that is in any way original???

So far.. it's all bullshit verbal and rights which others already have.

This difference is, they don't even see the need to mention it. It is taken for granted.

It's like that in nations that have *real freedom*.

After going through that whole document, I didn't find a single reference to violent crimes and non-firearms related deaths. The only subject addressed was firearms related deaths. What about violent crime as a whole? I found it interesting that I was unable to find that simple subject matter on that website you provided, short of a report covering the hears 1977-1989. Why wouldn't they address such a simple and basic question, yet they'll address questions about violence against cab drivers?

It's possible we have and it simply didn't make headlines. That sort of thing happens all the time. America will provide aid, or relief and nearly no one will know about it.

I am glad that Denmark has always been willing to stand by America, but it's not just one way. Almost every single mission that the UN wants done which requires almost any level of military force, the US is nearly always doing most of the work. We usually provide well over 50% of the military force and other countries will provide 10% or less. To say we never do anything for anyone else is just conveniently remmbering certain things and forgetting others.

Ad3pt:

BTW.. I don't give one fuck about Kerry or Bush...

It's clear your brain, still at this stage, can't grasp the idea...

The reason I think you are well fucked is 50% of the nation elected a lying inept specimen of a human being with nada cred to be of benefit to the US. The other sad part is this was not the first time.

That makes you look extemely stupid.

No other westen nation has acted so stupidly, at least in modern times.

You understand now?? Hate to say it, but you have a nation comprising 50% imbeciles who will reap the benefits of their poor judgement.

Honest? I feel sorry for people that silly.

It's highly likely that Americans will be there helping to provide relief. If not the government body, then private organizations. We've got tons of them that constantly travel all over the world doing just that.

CET:

Grow up IDIOT!

I can CONFIRM the US has NOT provided any financial aid to Denmark.

If that EVER happened, it would most certainly be headline news.

Yes, it's possible... and yes, pigs fly.

OMG you need put down :1orglaugh

This discussion is about gun control and gun violence. That study was specifically about firearm related deaths. To the chagrin of gun activists it simply cannot be refuted that Australia has seen a drastic reduction in gun violence since 1996 when significant gun control was introduced.

Pre 1996 statistics are here:

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/ti70.pdf

I will look for statistics on non-firearm assaults and deaths.

Such as?

Before you start, the Red Cross is Swiss and Doctors Without Borders is French.

250 :321GFY

They don't have spell check in your country or what?

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/f...02/tab01a.html

There you go... also keep in mind that this site is the Australian Institute of Criminology and is the last word on Australian crime statistics.

This is not a partisan site.

That's not what I was discussing, I was discussing the overall violent crime rate in comparisson to gun control. If you take away guns and most homocides are domestic, of course there are going to be fewer gun related deaths. However, is there going to be an increase in knife related deaths? If so, then gun control accomplished nothing. What about armed robbery? Criminals don't care if guns are illegal, they're breaking the law anyway.

Fuck their stupid right to bear arms...

They are MENTAL and suffering a severe bout of insecurity...

Fuck em all.. they created their bullshit - let em wallow in it:thumbsup

Dont make a fool of yourself. I speak several languages fluently, do you?

I laugh at the fact that the majority of this country is comprised of total idiots.

Today was a sad, sad day.

Canada's always had stiff gun control. Our violent crime rate involving hand guns is on the way up. :2 cents:

Don't make an ass of yourself. I speak more than one and read several, sorry to burst your bubble.

You're the one that started such a stupid thread, not me.

Quit crying when I pull your pigtails.

More banal idiocy.......

I thought Canada's gun control was fairly lax due to the large community of hunters.

Ahaha.. yeah, so we start a political discussion and you bash me, a foreigner who speaks/spells nearly perfect english, because of a typo? Get real, give me something to chew on kiddo! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Chupachups, don't mess with KK :-)

Ok, pal

The rest of the world really doesn't care as much as you Americans think..I don't live there so I don't give a fuck if a donkey was president

No, it's very stiff. Especially in regards to hand guns.

You need a permit to buy it. (You have to go to classes to get it)
You need a permit to buy ammo.
You need another permit to transport the gun (between your home and the firing range for instance).
When at home it has to be stored without the firing pin and in a locked box (or with a trigger lock).
The laws are such that if somebody was breaking in to your house, and you shot them, you'd be in much more trouble under Federal gun laws than he would be for breaking and entering.

Geez that's f'ed up! So much for self defense.

If you need a gun for self-defence then your society has failed.

Exactly. If your handgun was available to use to defend yourself, you'd be breaking Federal laws.

Unless I guess you hid in your closet, unlocked the gun, the ammo and loaded the gun. Then you'd be alright. It'd also be too late.

Damn!! I feel proud to be an American again.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


CRUSH KILL DESTROY!

CRUSH KILL DESTROY!

Its the American Way! Viva El Presidente!!!

:1orglaugh

There are elements of bad in every society. It's human nature.

It would be nice if it were otherwise, but we're not there just yet. I can't help but wonder if we're going in the right direction to get there. Maybe we are and I just don't see it.

One of the few points I liked in Bowling For Columbine is that America is a society that is build on fear. The media and government see fit to perpetuate that fear and I don't see how that can do anything but make things worse. :2 cents:

hey webby, heres the great thing about the right to bear arms. Maybe you should ask your granpa about how easy it was for the nazis to storm through europe in the 1930's. The asnswer is because the people of those cout=ntries had no way to protect themselves. If you recall your history correctly the very forst thing castro did in cuba was to disarm the populace. The very forst thing the communist did in russia was to disarm the populace. The very first thing ortega did in nicaragus was to dis arm the populace.

When the founding fathers of the u.s. wrote the constitution there were many who wanted the right to bear arms to be the FIRST amendment.(Thomas jefferson. george washington and alexander hamilton just to name a few.)

And as i explained on another thread, the u.s. is not a democracy. We live in a REBUBLIC. Our nations name is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We the people grant to the government certain rights by way of the CONSTITUTION. The constirution does not give rights to the people, it gives and limits the rights of the government. This is the fundamental thing that makes this the greatest country on earth. WE THE PEOPLE GRANT RIGHTS TO THE GOVERNMENT......THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GRANT RIGHTS TO THE PEOPLE. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD DOES THIS AND THAT IS THE SIMPLE REASON WHY NO OTHER COUNTRY EVEN COMES CLOSE TO HAVING THE FREEDOMS THAT WE HERE IN AMERICA ARE SO PROUD OF.

How much have you travelled? I'm interested. You're obviously an intelligent person and are interested in the world outside your nation.

If you are going to ccompare the USA and other nations you need context and travel is the only way to get it. It's one thing to read about a country, it's another to actually experience it.

Don't worry, this isn't any sort of attack. I'm truly interested in the extent of your global travels.

I've travelled quite a bit myself. You're right, it's the best education one can have.

I served in the United States Navy. While serving I've been to America, Mexico, Canada, Ireland (my favorite country so far since I can't drink Guiness anywhere else now), Italy, Germany and Turkey.

BTW, even if it was an attack I wouldn't give a shit. You might have noticed that when others throw insults, I stay on track and keep going. Those who throw insults do so because they are generally conceeding that they have nothing left to say. I take insults as an unspoken victory on my part.

I'm an addict. I've travelled to these countries:

Austria
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Poland
Slovakia
Hungary
Germany
Italy
Greece
Spain
Portugal
France
Belgium
The Netherlands
Denmark
England
Scotland
Ireland
Luxembourg
USA
Mexico
Japan
Russia
Brazil
New Zealand
Egypt

Going away to Europe in three weeks time for a month and a half break.

There is no education like world travel.

Wow you sure are. You've got me beat. I've been to:

Every Province and territory of Canada
Greenland
Most US states
Mexico
Costa Rica
Thailand
Malaysia
Singapore
Korea
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Fiji
Australia
England
France

More to do. I'm only 30 luckily, so plenty of time left.

Greeenland? Thats rare. What was it like?

I don't know about you, but seeing and experiencing other countries and cultures is always fascinating to me. I visit a couple of tourist spots, but I also like to try to disappear into the crowd and really experience the culture on a base level. I have naturally dark skin and hair, so I was able to do that a few times in Turkey. Apparently I had most Turks convinced I was a turk as well, because lots of them would come up to me and start babbling in Turkish. I was able to get by through reading body language and replying with the same. Although it is a bit dangerous to go off alone in a foreign country, I treasured those times as great learning experiences. I met Turks, Kurds and Iraqi refugees and got to learn their culture fairly well.