WHy does the USA doesn't change the way they choose a new president? - GoFuckYourself.com

justsexxx · 11-03-2004, 05:25 AM

4 years ago a lot of trouble with who is the winner, this year again.

Why not make it simple. Person with MOST votes becomes the president. I heard it would be Bush this time, but 4 years ago Al Goore.

It would make it much easier.

In other words, what makes the current system better, then the one I suggest?

Andre

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 05:28 AM

Because everything in the USA is the best even if it doesn't work properly... and there is absolutely nothing the USA can learn from the rest of the world because (of course) the USA does things the best!

Haven't you learned anything from GFY?

Gynecologist · 11-03-2004, 05:31 AM

There is no real trouble this time. The only reason people are creating drama is because of what happened 4 years ago. The provisional votes in Ohio cannot put Kerry in the lead.

Bush got more votes than any President in history.

I am not happy about this because I REALLY wanted Kerry to win

Wiggles · 11-03-2004, 05:34 AM

The system will never change, the results suck, but time to move on I guess.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
Bush got more votes than any President in history.

Just a thought, but do you think that might have something to do with the fact that you have a higher population now than at any other point in your history?

justsexxx · 11-03-2004, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
There is no real trouble this time. The only reason people are creating drama is because of what happened 4 years ago. The provisional votes in Ohio cannot put Kerry in the lead.

Bush got more votes than any President in history.

I am not happy about this because I REALLY wanted Kerry to win

Okay, well maybe this year it will be okay.
But still, why not listen to the majority at the first place?

Also this way votes won't go "unused" because now when in State A 49% kerry 51% Bush and the state has a LOT of people, kerry loose a lot of votes.(and vice versa) So in texas it doesn't make much sense for democrats to vote for the president for example, which is a shame.(and again vice versa)

Andre

Webby · 11-03-2004, 05:37 AM

There are clearly some interested parties that hope to maintain this current scenario.

Tho who the fuck knows why there is any need for an "electoral college" these days...

But... again... it suits some and they still like to think of the country as a democracy with values :-)

Gynecologist · 11-03-2004, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by justsexxx
Okay, well maybe this year it will be okay.
But still, why not listen to the majority at the first place?

Also this way votes won't go "unused" because now when in State A 49% kerry 51% Bush and the state has a LOT of people, kerry loose a lot of votes.(and vice versa) So in texas it doesn't make much sense for democrats to vote for the president for example, which is a shame.(and again vice versa)

Andre

Because the USA is country of states. The electoral college keeps the highly populated states from deciding who will be the president.

Odin88 · 11-03-2004, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Because everything in the USA is the best even if it doesn't work properly... and there is absolutely nothing the USA can learn from the rest of the world because (of course) the USA does things the best!

Haven't you learned anything from GFY?

Pretty much on the ball. I remember having an arguement with baddog about it, and no matter what it seems people like him can just not accept any inferiority on their part. As a whole though, democracy and Western civilisation (with regards to electing leaders) around the world needs to be refined as a process. Democracy is not a very refined or fair process, it only happens that America's system is a little worse.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2004, 05:41 AM

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Originally posted by Odin88
Pretty much on the ball. I remember having an arguement with baddog about it, and no matter what it seems people like him can just not accept any inferiority on their part.

baddog is a mindless, brainwashed drone.

swedguy · 11-03-2004, 05:46 AM

Swedish TV made fun of the system so many times this night.
"Yeah, we left this voting system some time ago... about HUNDRED years ago"
"It's not very good that people will have to wait for several hours to just vote. We also had that problem.... about HUNDRED years ago, but we took care of the problem"

Theo · 11-03-2004, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
There is no real trouble this time. The only reason people are creating drama is because of what happened 4 years ago. The provisional votes in Ohio cannot put Kerry in the lead.

Bush got more votes than any President in history.

I am not happy about this because I REALLY wanted Kerry to win

Come on. Votes are getting counted and announced while people STILL vote. That's INSANE.

Gynecologist · 11-03-2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Just a thought, but do you think that might have something to do with the fact that you have a higher population now than at any other point in your history?

Of course that is a factor.

$5 submissions · 11-03-2004, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
Because the USA is country of states. The electoral college keeps the highly populated states from deciding who will be the president.

That's one aspect of the checks and balances the Framers of the Constitution stated they had in mind in using the EC system. Another reason is they weren't exactly big fans of direct democracy, many like John Jay and Madison feared the rule of the mob. Hence, EC acts as a check against the 'passions of the masses.'

Dalai lama · 11-03-2004, 05:56 AM

reynold · 11-03-2004, 07:43 AM

I think it's quite good and it works anyway.

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Joe Citizen Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,552	Because everything in the USA is the best even if it doesn't work properly... and there is absolutely nothing the USA can learn from the rest of the world because (of course) the USA does things the best! Haven't you learned anything from GFY?

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Gynecologist Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,184	There is no real trouble this time. The only reason people are creating drama is because of what happened 4 years ago. The provisional votes in Ohio cannot put Kerry in the lead. Bush got more votes than any President in history. I am not happy about this because I REALLY wanted Kerry to win

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swedguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,981	Swedish TV made fun of the system so many times this night. "Yeah, we left this voting system some time ago... about HUNDRED years ago" "It's not very good that people will have to wait for several hours to just vote. We also had that problem.... about HUNDRED years ago, but we took care of the problem"

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	I think it's quite good and it works anyway.