Centurion

The open minded accepting people in this thread is just so..so..so overwhelming!

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rayzor

i don't think you'll get a fair answer on gfy... most here are anti-conservative.. else we wouldn't be doing porn

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Marcus

We've been doing it here in Mass for half a year and theres been no problems. You dont even notice it here, its never in the news. If anything it's been good for the economy.

Tipsy

Presuming we're talking about marriage in the legal sense then it's crazy that it's currently not possible. Why the fuck shouldn't a long term partner of the same sex get the same rights as a 'normal' couple.

Too many in this thread are getting it confused with religion and they need not be connected in any way at all.

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Tipsy

Sadly that's a long way from the truth. There are as many, if not more, biggots and homophobes here as you'll find anywhere. It's due in a large part to all the kids and surfers that now hang out here. It's 'cool' to bash gays and others in the playground.

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Dawgy

every person who has spoken out against gay marriage, and now just gays in general since this is gfy & no one can stay on topic, is doing so based on personal beliefs. you dont think i should have equal rights because i like guys & not girls. thats YOUR personal beliefs that you are forcing on me. none of you have a right to do that any more than i have a right to force you to be gay. have your own beliefs and religion, but do not force it on others as a matter of law. that goes against the entire reason this country was founded.

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rayzor

i think they are very connected. religion is a faith/belief. most religions are anti-gay, pro-life, anti-porn... etc. does that make them a biggot? maybe.. maybe not, but it's their belief.

what i was trying to say was... does anybody here on gfy go to church weekly because they want to and not because they "have to"? raise your hands... i bet it's a small minority.

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johndoebob

Just another ignorant gay...

Now tell me what makes a same sex marriage suitable for children.
Didn't you need a mom and a dad when you were a kid?
Wouldn't you at least be very confused when you'd have had same sex parents as a kid if you aren't gay (like 90%+ of all people)?

Proofs my point of the ignorant gay guy.

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Centurion

No & NO to your first 2 questions, and the only ignorance I'm seeing here is comming from your post!

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Centurion

YAWN! Same old boring shit brought up before by your redneck friends. So why don't you go put on a white sheet and go out and play with them?

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johndoebob

You are so damn ignorant, if somebody doesn't accept your opinion you call him a racist/facist/conservative/homophob what ever, rather bring up some good points.

Do you see me running around in leather and latex clothing with some bdsm girl in public, get pissed when people don't accept it and scream for equal rights?

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If 2 adults want to commit themselves to each other, then who cares. Let 'em get married, it won't affect my marriage or anything else in my life.

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I think if your committed and plan to spend the rest of your lives together then I vote for gay marriage. Heck, I know plenty of gay couples who have outlasted married couples. Why shouldn't they get the same tax break (which isn't a whole lot) and rights to medical insurance that the straight folks do. So power to the gays and happiness!

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Then why not call it marriage? Having something that's just like marriage, but called something else smacks of "seperate but equal", IMHO.

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I dont like it.

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johndoebob

Sure, for legal reasons no problem, but most want to do that in church/church related marriage and that's kinda ignorant in my opinion.

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Bad equation. Marriage existed long before the bible and also currently exists in other religions and there are such things as secular marriages. My wife and I got married in a secular atmosphere. Marriage does not belong to the church. The church may be involved in some people's marriages, but marriage is not church property.

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Ana Laura

I have 2 gay sisters. One is a hottie, a total heart breaker. The other one is an average, adorable human being. Both have the most stable relationships in my huge family.

I'd rather go to a gay wedding than actually not knowing if the guy I ever marry is still in the closet.

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Slippery Slope, try again.

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Why? They couldn't do any worse then the red necks that live around me.

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ROFLMAO!!!!

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I sell wedding rings. Bring it on.

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Prove it. I have yet to ever see any study or proof of any kind tha tgay homes aren't healthy for children. I see lots of biggotted rhetoric, but no proof. So prove it hot shot. If you can't prove it, then admit that you're a biggot, because you said that anyone who disagrees with you is "an ignorant gay activist". You're willing to say that about me, but you don't know dick about me. I might be a clinical sociologist that just completed a 20 year study on that very subject. So come one, either put up or admit that you're a biggot.

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Fuck, I'm surrounded by biggots! I expected different from the adult industry.

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SleazyDream

being publically gay means having people point.

a larger issue than marriage would be spousal benefits at work for your partner.

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In western countries it is mostly christian related and if not christian than it's related to another religion.I can't think of any religion that accept gays (beside buddhism which actually isn't a religion because its just a guide with no god).

Legal marriage isn't a marriage, just the statement that there is an equal relationship to a religious marriage and the couple is granted the same rights.

Sure, but going for the lesser evil isn't the right choice, in my opinion a same sex couple could have a quite negative impact on a kid.

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ztik

They need to make something that involves the exact same rights and legalities and marriage but call it something else.

CET

You are such an ignorant, biggotted bastard and yet you don't see it at all. You make all these naked assertion, but you don't ever back up anything you say with facts. The only thing you've done is "didn't you need a mom and a dad when you were a kid?"

BTW, my parents got divorced when I was a kid, so according to you, since I didn't have a mom and a dad, then I should have been taken away from my dad and given to a house that had a married couple, right? What happens if that coulpe gets divorced? I guess I just have to go get myself a 3rd god damn family!

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johndoebob

Don't you think that a same sex couple can have quite a negative impact on a yet to develop sexuality child?Mentally and social.Don't you think that a kid needs both mum and dad?I wouldn't want to try it out just to see if it has a serious negative impacr or not.

Only gay activists are going for the adoption rights, you can be straight, a clinical sociologist or whatever but you still have a gay activist opinion.

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You're still assuming that marriage is a religious event and it only is if you choose for it to be. Marriage is a secular event, always has been and always will be. Originally, marriage was an economic decision. Only within the last few thousand years religion was put into it.

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You keep saying that but you haven't proven it. PROVE that kids being in a "gay" household has "a negative impact" on them. No rhetoric, I want cold hard facts.

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Centurion

He can't prove it. Study after study has shown either NO harmful effects or actual beneficial affects from having gay parents.

So of course those that just hate things blindly but don't know how to defend their positions throw out "PROVE IT!" even thought it is *THEY* who brought up the original argument but then can't even support their own point.

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Kard63

Gay people should be able to get married, you should need a warrant to tap my phone, and we shouldnt be able to keep a shit load of prisoners at guantanamo bay without just cause.


I'm not gay, but I'm not interested in trying to make everyoen be just like me. Fuck anyone that wants to take any right away from me.

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That smacks of "seperate but equal".

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CET

STOP THE RHETORIC, PROVE IT.

You make it sound like a bad thing to want all people to be treated the same.

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johndoebob

We are talking about gay adoption here not about single parents.No singles are able to legally adopt kids.

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But YOU said that a child NEEDS a mom and a dad and that a home that doesn't have both can have a negative impact on the child. Therefore, divorced parents need to give up their chlidren for adoption unless they immediately remarry.

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Marcus Aurelius

yeah. if the worst thing they do in their lives is love someone who feels mutually about them...why the fuck not.

johndoebob

I don't know any studies if there are any.

and as I said before:

It's about a kid there, not about some "test object".

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I wonder if there are studies on babies raised by gay couples. Could be interesting.

Some years ago I didnt agree. 2 years ago, one of my sis and her 16 yr relationship gf adopted a guatemalan abandoned girl. The baby was fed with coffee on a bottle and mashed beans. That's all. Now she's a bright eyes, happy girl, has the best education ever and she's very tender now, opposite from when they brought her home for the first time. She was cranky and cried all day/night. They overcome that just with love.

Now, I have no clue how will she handle the next years, you know, in school, friends, etc

But certainly, she's got a waaay better life than the odds she had in Guatemala.

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Then you don't have an argument. If you tell me one more time that a gay household has a negative impact on a child, I'm going to tell you to STFU in the most unkind way I can think of, because you're just making shit up and talking out your ass.

Finally, you have no argument against gay adoption. I have known lots of kids who grew up in foster homes and had fucked up lives because they didn't have good homes. If gays were allowed to adopt, at the very least, they would have had the chance for a stable home with a loving family. So what if they would have had a mom and a mom, or a dad and a dad, at least they would have had people who cared about them and took care of them instead of bouncing them around in a shitty system.

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Centurion

Since Mr. "No gays raising children" admits he knows of no studies that says it's un-healthy..how about some evidence that shows the opposite:

"All of the research to date has reached the same unequivocal conclusion about gay parenting: the children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as successfully as the children of heterosexual parents. In fact, not a single study has found the children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged because of their parents' sexual orientation. Other key findings include:

There is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents.

Home environments with lesbian and gay parents are as likely to successfully support a child's development as those with heterosexual parents.

Good parenting is not influenced by sexual orientation. Rather, it is influenced most profoundly by a parent's ability to create a loving and nurturing home -- an ability that does not depend on whether a parent is gay or straight.

There is no evidence to suggest that the children of lesbian and gay parents are less intelligent, suffer from more problems, are less popular, or have lower self-esteem than children of heterosexual parents.

The children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as happy, healthy and well-adjusted as the children of heterosexual parents."

http://archive.aclu.org/issues/gay/parent.html

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johndoebob

I'm not talking about kids need to have a mother/father when they're raised by one divorced parent, I'm just saying that a same sex couple is something very different that may obviously have a negative impact on the child.

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There are tons of gay people who are parents right now and you don't hear anything bad about them.

Its all bullshit that teaches people that gay is bad. Creating an atmosphere of gay bashing is just a way to make big money. Alan Keys made $600k last year giving mostly anti gay speeches.
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have made millions.

These people are living in mansions yet Jesus taught that you should give all your money to the poor and dont judge anyone, and that the meek shall inherit the earth.

Its total bullshit that the republicans act so pro-Jesus because most of the republican beliefs are totally the opposite of what Jesus taught. And it pisses me off that no one questions this or calls them on this.

johndoebob

Use common sense, you don't need studies for that.

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BULLSHIT!

You already admitted that you have no proof of that and someone else even went as far as to post a link that says otherwise. You're full of it and you already admitted it, yet you're still trying to spout the same bullshit line!

Since you're obviously completely full of shit, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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Centurion

You are telling educated, well read people to use "common sense"?

What you're REALLY saying is "believe what I believe without questioning it!"

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That's the only thing I'm up to in this whole discussion, possible negative impact on developing sexuality and social surroundings who have a problem with the same sex parents and that might be very big.

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You've already admitted that you're full of shit.

Thanks for the new line to add to my repetoir. Telling me to use "common sense" and to ignore scientific data is beautiful. It shows how little of an argument you really have.

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