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SomeCreep · 10-25-2004, 08:11 PM

100 $$$ worth SHIT in Europe

Gynecologist · 10-25-2004, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Anothers
ok you're right housing costs depends on your localisation in poland but are usually lower then in usa

and you're right about luxury items but lets try this:

- cheapest toyota corolla $16k in poland and $14k in USA

note: prices of japan cars has dropped a little since poland is in EU - taxation change, and you probably don't know but US version is more comfortable and it has more items included like air conditioning etc. etc.

- digital camera canon powershoot A75 in poland $248 and $179 in USA

and for goodness' sake average salary in poland is $657 BEFORE taxes - I hope it explains why it makes no sense to compare

by the way cigs are cheaper here - marlboro is about $1,8

That is the average salary for every 2 weeks? Every month?

Anothers · 10-25-2004, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Gynecologist
That is the average salary for every 2 weeks? Every month?

monthly

sacX · 10-26-2004, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by CET
Then, if you compare the dollar to the average currency of every industrialized nation, during a time when the USD is taking on little to no inflation and recovering from a recession, there's a period of devaluation. That's an average of industrial nation's currency values, which is a far cry from:

Especially since there are lots of freely traded currencies that are not industrialized nations.

you can't read, and you misquoted me, you missed out the bit where I said third world hell hole. Sure if you compare the USD to non-industrialised countries it hasn't devalued. Seriously is that the best you can come up with?

Why do you think Gold is at $430 and part of the reason oil is so high? It's because the dollar has lost value.

It's not fucking rocket science, the Government has MASSIVE budget deficit and there's a massive trade deficit, how are they financed? By selling dollars and printing dollars

With that kind of selling pressure and increase in dollar supply of course the value is going down. Coincided with low interest rates (which essentially means buying and holding USD will give you a negative real return)
All the macroeconomic indicators are pushing the USD down.

Are you going to provide anything to support your position that the USD has not devalued?

Dirty Dane · 10-26-2004, 03:28 AM

Regarding this issue, you cannot compare the domestic price levels.
Comparing the exchange rate now and back then, makes more sense.
4 years ago, I got 30 % more national currency when I exchanged one dollar, i.e. I got 30 % more money on my bankaccount. Thats a fact and it sucks.

However, a smart person, will also see that europeans will pay 30 % less, when they sign up for a paysite, which has dollars as payment. So why not targeting non-us traffic more, and cover the "loss"? Its supply/demand. Take advantage of it, instead of doing nothing

fr33s3x · 10-26-2004, 03:29 AM

Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. I know those times when the "Gulden" was $2,30.. Good old times.

Gunni · 10-26-2004, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by CET
The dollar hasn't devalued at all. That would require deflation, which only happened for one quarter in 1979. Other then that, the US dollar has never deflated. In the last few years, the Euro has taken on lots of inflation and the US dollar has taken on almost none. You could say there is a comparative devaluing between the two currencies, but there is no real devaluing.

you are on a verge of a deflation, even though it is not crisis, it is still bad, and the dollar has lost value to most currencies, specially do to the huge national debt

"Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan sent the Treasury market soaring last week when he hinted that the Fed is worried about deflation. But by some measures, it's already here. Stock prices, for example, have fallen more than 40% the past three years.

The government's producer price index, which measures inflation at the wholesale level, fell an unexpectedly sharp 1.9% in April, mainly because of oil prices. But the core consumer goods segment of the index has been falling for 16 months, says John Lonski, chief economist at Moody's Investor Service. "I don't know where the Fed has been," Lonski says.

Will the USA fall into a deflationary spiral? "There is a very low probability of deflation, but it will be very dangerous if it does happen," says David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...5-invest_x.htm

Note this is from 2003, things are worse now

Drake · 10-26-2004, 03:33 AM

That must suck

Time for you to move

Rui · 10-26-2004, 03:38 AM

On top of it, even people with diesel cars are getting fucked nowadays with gasoline prices beeing almost the same diesel fuel prices..

Things aren't very well...

As for people say Croatia and such are cheap, sure they are...for you but their salarys are DREADFUL, a guy working on construction here (Portugal) and not even getting paid as a legal worker (= which means he gets less) makes more money that a laywer or doctor there....

You seem to think everybody has killer salarys all over the world...get real folks...(that on top of taxes and such...)

Like here in Portugal we pay on average +4000? for the same car in Spain since he have some extra car taxes...great ain't it?...

Well at least our president is a clown but far from beeing a bush :P

groark · 10-26-2004, 05:16 AM

Well at last hosting and stuff is quite cheap

Rui · 10-26-2004, 05:19 AM

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Originally posted by groark
Well at last hosting and stuff is quite cheap

Word, specially when you have some customers that pay in euros

cezam · 10-26-2004, 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by groark
Well at last hosting and stuff is quite cheap

yup

etech · 10-26-2004, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by mcmc
HOLY FUCKING SHIT! You dont see over the border, do you?

As you can see, 6 out of the 10 most expensive cities to live in are in Europe. New York follows on #12.

Even Dakar, Senegal is more expensive than Florida. Sometimes its just too funny.

As you see, it sucks to be a dane

justsexxx · 10-26-2004, 05:42 AM

Netherlands

Honda Civic type R----> 38,348.9 USD

Houses
http://tinyurl.com/6h766 --> 420,560 USD !!!

http://tinyurl.com/3ugoy --> 1,789,619 USD

PantieZ · 10-26-2004, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by Meloman
From my understanding, the switch over to the Euro highly increased prices as well. For example in Italy what was once 1 lira was now 2 euro....but peoples paychecks stayed the same....so basically doubling the cost of goods without any increased salary to match.

I think it's more expensive to live in most of Europe compared to the U.S.

man ... what the hell are you talking about .

Italy never had lira ... it was lire . and it was 1000 lire not 1 .

oh man ...

.....

PantieZ · 10-26-2004, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by CET
Bush has shit to do with that.

really ? it seems you are Mr.Professional ...
your President fucks your economy pretty good (but not his own economy) .... that´s why the US$ is shit worth in all other countries in the world .

Tania · 10-26-2004, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Nicky
heh, let me tell you dude that in Sweden its way fucking more expensive, $0,5 for a drink?? what a fucking joke, if you want a cheap one its costs $8 here......
Gas, $1,3 per liter.
1 pound of steak goes at around $10
and we pay 35% in income tax

yeap I agreed with you Sweden is a lot more expensive ......

JoeA · 10-26-2004, 06:31 AM

With the $ dropping from $1.43:£1 early last year to $1.86 yesterday when I transferred a wire, it's hitting us guys in the UK very badly and has done for quite a while...

Last year: $1000 = £699
Yesterday $1000 = £537

With sales dropping for a lot of us over this period of time as well, I don't know of too many UK webmasters going out to buy a new Rolls Royce these days

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10-26-2004, 03:29 AM	#106
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10-26-2004, 05:42 AM	#114
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Netherlands Honda Civic type R----> 38,348.9 USD Houses http://tinyurl.com/6h766 --> 420,560 USD !!! http://tinyurl.com/3ugoy --> 1,789,619 USD __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

10-26-2004, 06:31 AM	#118
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	With the $ dropping from $1.43:£1 early last year to $1.86 yesterday when I transferred a wire, it's hitting us guys in the UK very badly and has done for quite a while... Last year: $1000 = £699 Yesterday $1000 = £537 With sales dropping for a lot of us over this period of time as well, I don't know of too many UK webmasters going out to buy a new Rolls Royce these days __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

10-26-2004, 03:28 AM	#105
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Regarding this issue, you cannot compare the domestic price levels. Comparing the exchange rate now and back then, makes more sense. 4 years ago, I got 30 % more national currency when I exchanged one dollar, i.e. I got 30 % more money on my bankaccount. Thats a fact and it sucks. However, a smart person, will also see that europeans will pay 30 % less, when they sign up for a paysite, which has dollars as payment. So why not targeting non-us traffic more, and cover the "loss"? Its supply/demand. Take advantage of it, instead of doing nothing

10-26-2004, 03:33 AM	#108
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	That must suck Time for you to move

10-26-2004, 03:38 AM	#109
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	On top of it, even people with diesel cars are getting fucked nowadays with gasoline prices beeing almost the same diesel fuel prices.. Things aren't very well... As for people say Croatia and such are cheap, sure they are...for you but their salarys are DREADFUL, a guy working on construction here (Portugal) and not even getting paid as a legal worker (= which means he gets less) makes more money that a laywer or doctor there.... You seem to think everybody has killer salarys all over the world...get real folks...(that on top of taxes and such...) Like here in Portugal we pay on average +4000? for the same car in Spain since he have some extra car taxes...great ain't it?... Well at least our president is a clown but far from beeing a bush :P

10-26-2004, 05:16 AM	#110
groark So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,966	Well at last hosting and stuff is quite cheap